Don’t forgive too soon. Forgiveness is never a quick fix. It is a process. ~ Rev. Susan Cartmell
There is a saying that forgiveness is very freeing.
And it is.
But the caveat is that it is freeing ONLY when done at the right time and for the right reason.
If you’ve been hurt, you may be told by others to let go of your anger and forgive, you’ll feel so much better. The truth is that you can only forgive after you’ve worked through your anger and pain. If you rush to forgiveness, you may never confront the boiling hatred you sometimes feel for this person who hurt you. If you forgive too soon, you may never turn cross-eyed in rage at how poorly you were treated. If you forgive too soon you may find yourself open to be hurt again, perhaps by the same person.
Seething with anger, melting with hatred, and cursing the existence of someone who hurt you does not feel good. Because the healthy thing to do is not to ACT on these kinds of feelings, you must process through them and that doesn’t feel great.
However, these feelings are TEMPORARY and normal and natural. So long as you don’t ACT on your anger and pain, you should acknowledge these feelings, work through them, process through them and later let them go. Even later you can come to forgiveness.
At some point in the grief process you need to make a decision to move on. At some point in the letting go process, you need to make a decision to stop hating. You need to come to forgiveness. FOR YOU. Not for them. At some point it behooves you to forgive them, the best you can, to move on, for you.
Forgiveness is not all at once. Sometimes it happens in stages and other times it happens not at all but you learn to live with it.
Over the years I’ve forgiven my ex-husband for what he did to me. It doesn’t matter. As someone once told me the opposite of love is not hate, it’s apathy. I know that our breakup was the best thing that ever happened to me. I know that my life is a gazillion times better with him not in it. Over the years I’ve slowly peeled the layers of resentment away and forgave him for my own inner peace. I forgave him in stages. It did not happen all at once. It happened slowly and over time. I had to forgive MYSELF for a lot of year for being unable to come to complete forgivenss. For a long time I thought it was a shortcoming of mine that I could not forgive or forgive completely…but what I found from working through a lot of past relationships is that sometimes you can forgive 10 percent, sometimes 20, sometimes 50 or 75 or even 90 percent…and the remaining percentage is what it is…you can go back later and find your percentages have changed…but forgiveness rarely happens all at once. Over the years I have managed to forgive my ex 100 percent for what he did to me. What I haven’t forgiven him for, completely, is what he did to his children and how he treated them all these years and how he refuses to take responsibility for anything. Everything was someone else’s fault. He doesn’t get it and occasionally my anger at him flares up and I know I haven’t forgiven him completely. Perhaps I shall never. When it comes to someone hurting my children, I find it hard to forgive. But I assume that one day I will because the anger gets less and less as I start to realize how well my kids have done without him.
Forgiveness is the END of a long process and it comes when it comes. Sometimes you have to decide to forgive and it’s hard but you know it’s time. Other times you try but you know it’s not time yet. The important thing is to do it AFTER you’ve hurt and been angry and said (to your journal or therapist or friends) all the nasty things you want to say about the person who hurt you.
Forgiveness is part of the healing process but don’t rush to it. Don’t ignore it, but don’t rush to it. It will happen when it happens. And when it does, it will be a benefit to you. And you will feel the cleansing power of forgiveness and move on even more.
But if you force it or rush into it too soon, it can hold you back from real and genuine healing.
Forgive in time…when you are ready…and after the strongest emotions have been felt…then forgive with all your might and be okay with you.
Always.
Forgiveness Redux
November 10, 2009 by Susan J. Elliott






I could say I have forgiven the ex 10%. It was difficult to forgive him from how he treated me. I made loads of mistakes too. I didn’t follow NC and emailed him spiteful, nasty words that I can think of. It went on and on but then it was him who finally put it all to an end which is a relief.
Then I realized finally it was really all not him. He saw through me and refused to play the game just as he saw how unhealthy our relationship was and opted out. Although he sneaked his way out but he had the perspective and I gave him that credit.
There are still moments when I wish him dead but after what I did and how he reacted. I realized he is much better than I am. This actually helps me get over it slowly.
Am I making sense?
Forgiveness is a tricky thing to me. My goal in general is not to forgive so much as to not care either way. Do I forgive my dad for kicking me out of the house as a teenager and being absentee for the second half of my life? No, not really. But I’ve made my peace with it as much as I can. I can discuss it without getting angry/sad, I see the situation clearly (I’m his daughter and he doesn’t love me –such is life) and by cutting him out of my life, I’ve eliminated any chance of future pain by him. So I am content with the outcome.
I’ll always wish it were different, of course, but I accept that it won’t be and I’m certainly not losing any sleep over it. After the super-poor choosing I did with my ex as a result of the model set by my father, I learned a LOT about myself and what I want and deserve out of life.
So I am grateful to both of them for teaching me hard lessons and for making me stronger by default. I wouldn’t say I wish either of them well; I just don’t think about their futures altogether. They’re strangers to me at this point.
Does that constitute forgiveness?
I am lucky to have two great parents so I can’t imagine having one of them treat me like that and then attempting to at least try and forgive them. But I feel like I have sort of the same attitude as you do when it comes to forgiveness. It’s not necessarily that I forgive, it’s more like enough time passes that I care less.
But my problem is, if something happens that reminds me of the incident/s that made me mad, I get angry again. I commented on the check-in thread that last night I came across my journal from my last big break up back in 2006. He didn’t cheat on me, lie to me, he wasn’t a bad guy, but he definitely took me for granted and stopped caring about me and our relationship. That hurt me and made me really angry at the time, naturally. Over the years I have stopped caring about him completely. I don’t have any animosity toward him – I just don’t care. And I like it that way. But then last night I was reminded of something he said to me the night we broke up: “I feel like you prevent me from doing things that I want to do.” I had completely forgotten he said that but when I read it, I got really mad! I was like, what a jerk! Like you said, he is a stranger to me at this point. I haven’t seen or spoken to him in two years.
I don’t know that I have the ability to completely let go of things. I wish I did though, for my own benefit.
Hopeful,
I think that things can serve as a trigger way later, even if we’re over it. I mean if it sends you into a three-day frenzy, then it’s another story (and likely symptomatic of unresolved grief), but if you’re annoyed for an hour or two, no big.
My ex told me that he felt that being with me was like “signing his life away.” What a sweetie! lol. That still pops into my mind here and there, but then I remind myself how lucky I am to have escaped from him and how much better off I am. So I try and turn that “Screw you” quickly into a “Thank you” and then move on.
As for completely letting go of things, I’m not sure that anyone does. Or if there are people who do, I’ve yet to meet any. The best I can hope for, personally, is to accept bad things that happened, learn from them, and not dwell on them.
I think I rushed to forgiveness — not deliberately, but because I really did understand he wasn’t ready to be in another serious relationship. I understood it so well that I blamed myself for trying to make it happen even though he wasn’t ready. I just couldn’t manage to get angry at him for passing me up. I’m still having trouble with it, 6+ months later. I’m finally angry about the situation and how much it hurt, but I still can’t get to the point of saying, “How could you be so sweet to me and yet be so willing to walk away? How could you say you were crazy about me but still let me go?” I knew going into the relationship that he was newly single and wasn’t going to rush into anything, and I would have felt the same way, so how can I be angry about it?
But I know I NEED to get angry about it, or I’ll make the same mistake again of dating a man who’s not right for me and then either trying to change him or convince myself that I don’t really need what I need. I need to get angry at him and I don’t know how.
I think, you need to forgive yourself first. It seems you blamed yourself a lot for this break-up. Also, for me, anger was very slow to come because I second-guessed my own feelings. Always thinking, ‘but maybe for him it was this way’. Are you second-guessing?
My letting go of my ex came out of much journaling, posting here, talking about him to my friends, making inventory. Forgiveness, on the other hand? It is still coming. Partially it came through my own shame of how I behaved in my relationship. Both of us were locked in a dysfunctional dance. I didn’t know what I didn’t know and so was the case with him. But difference between him and me is that I know now, I wonder if he even has a will to get to know these things. It kind of makes me feel condescending toward him…
But it is still not the full forgiveness. I have been bothered about this for a while. That since I am in another relationship, shouldn’t I be ‘completely’ over my ex? And yet how can I find myself angry at him for at least a couple of things? Especially for the fact that I may not get a break in my career that would take to different geographic places. I tried to make myself take my own responsibility in it. I learned what I could from those circumstances. But I cannot forgive him. And I think it will be a long while, perhaps never, before I let this go…
Mayee,
From some of the things you’ve said recently, it seems like your current relationship stirs up some of the old feelings from the previous relationship regarding career. I’m not sure if I understand well, so bear with me. My impression is that you did a lot of encouraging and caretaking of your ex, and his career bloomed while yours didn’t. Is anything like that happening in your current relationship? Your ex was a b-head, but you willingly chose to invest in him, to help him, perhaps more than you did in yourself. What was that about? Have you forgiven yourself for not putting your own career first? Before his? Before the relationship? Which is more important to you at this time in your life, by the way: building your career or building a relationship? If you want both (hey, many do, no problem there), you need a partner who values your career as much as you do and as much as his own. Do you know your priorities and are you living them? Acting in ways that are congruent with those priorities? In the past, I have given more attention to others’ success (helping them) than I have to my own (helping myself), and later when they achieved what they wanted and I didn’t, I was left with resentment, anger, frustration and no support from the very person I helped. Why did I do that? What was in it for me? In my case, I think it allowed me to avoid facing my own fear of success. I was raised to believe that 1) a woman’s career was not as important as a man’s, and 2) that I was selfish and foolish for having big goals and dreams, and 3) if I succeeded at anything, I was a big show-off and made others feel bad. That’s a sick thing to teach your own child, but that’s the message I got as a kid and even as an adult. And that message wasn’t always direct and easy to decipher, so often I thought it was just me (I felt “crazy” or confused about why I was self-sabotaging). I used to feel more worthy and more valued when I was doing more for others than for myself. If any of this is seems to “fit” your experiences, maybe my sharing will help. But I’m not sure, so, you know, take it or leave it.:)
Kathy
Yes, this relationship DOES stir some of the past issues. Let me see if I can articulate it.
In my previous relationship, my ex suffered a setback when he didn’t clear a qualifying exam in gradscool. It happened barely 1 week after we were officially together. Since he was in full self-pity/victim/depressive mode, I was in full care-taking mode. That set the tone, the pattern of the relationship. Whenever I didn’t have to take care of him, I would become depressed. You remember the dialog given toward the end of Women Who Love Too Much about how a couple walks the drama triangle just in one conversation? My ex and I.
This time, after us getting together, he has been subject to some unfair treatment at the hands of superiors. And, I am not saying it because he is my boyfriend, I do believe that this institute where we have been working isn’t the best environment. As a result, he is getting into angry mode and, in my opinion, somewhat of a victim mode. That triggered a codependency toward the beginning of the relationship. Fortunately, I was able to observe it and tried to step back. Of course, I did indulge in being rescuer to some extent. I just decided that he may need to rant about what has been going on his life, but I don’t have to save him from it.
Thing is, both of us have some deep issues to deal with. Both of us have made each other aware of it. So, most of the times we take care not to trigger other’s issues. Sometimes, we need to set hard boundaries so as to take care of ourselves. It chafes, but it is for the best.
Now, as for career, I made very clear right in the beginning that since I had let it slide once, I wasn’t going to do it again. He knows where I stand regarding my career. He is very supportive towards it, I trust him for being that way completely. Why I let it slide? Because I inherently thought of my ex somewhat below me and felt guilty for it. If I achieve more, he would resent me. Or worse, I would deserve better and would be considered a show-off!
So at this point in my life, my career, my boyfriend and his career, all are important to me. I would put career slightly ahead, because it is the most affected area of my life right now. Am I acting it? ..No. I have put *some* effort. But in my field, I have seen people putting 10 times more just to get a decent chance. The issue is self-sabotaging – ‘oh well, maybe I don’t deserve to be in a better job, too much responsibility anyway’. I AM working on it though.
So, relationship triggers codependency/savior-instinct. I am learning and acting to counter it. But the lack of a decent job is far more worse. It directly attacks self-worth. My temp job was over at the end of October. I have been steadily getting anxious that this too much time on hand might start some issues as it happened last time. This time, I have a sort of plan for what I want to do until new job comes in: first and foremost, acknowledge each and every feeling that might come, keep working on the projects that I took up while in my temp job, go to all those cultural activities that I had put aside while I was in job due to lack of time, take up my knitting again and finish those projects (!) and possibly learn a new language. So, the ‘break’ hasn’t been as bad as last time. But the fact is, I again have a break, and it is directly related to break-up. So, until I feel I have a got my career on track again (not necessarily successful, mind you, just on track), I feel I can’t completely let the anger towards ex go. Does this make sense?
Thanks, as always, Kathy. Just answering your posts is clarifying for me :)
It makes sense, Mayee. Something that has helped me a lot has been to (over time) work through the messages in my head that told me I didn’t deserve success or would be “showing off” if I succeeded. It may help you to spend some time looking at where those messages originated for you and key situations or moments in your life when they have been reinforced by others (and/or you have continued to act them out). Somehow going back to where they started and debilitating them from the past all the way through the present can really help. While we can’t change the past, we can look at an old scenario through a healthier lens today and imagine ourselves making different choices and what the healthier outcomes might have been–not to dwell on the coulda, woulda, shoulda or beat ourselves up about it, but rather, to understand the past in order to *let it go* and to do better for ourselves now and in the future.
Forgiveness is not easy but it is really really necesaary. If forgiveness is the absense of hate than I think I have reached that point with several bad relationships from my past. I had a lot of terrible things happen in 2004/2005 that I won’t get into but let’s just say that the entire floor of my life fell out from under me in unexpected ways and people that “should” have been there for me became ennemies instead. In the middle of it all, I lost my grandfather. Anger, hate, and sadness filled most of my days. This continued for a while. And I refused to forgive anyone because THEY didn’t deserve it. (No one was asking for it either.) What I didn’t realize is that forgiving others is not about them… it’s about us. It’s very similar to closure. You don’t get closure from others you get closure from yourself. Once I realized I was crumbling inside and I needed to let go of all of the anger and forgive those that hurt me in order for the pain to stop I was able to move on.
You do need to feel and acknowledge your feelings of betrayal, anger, etc. but you can’t linger there. If you do, you replay the scene(s) for yourself over and over and over… and the pain never ends.
In one of our final e-mail exchanges, my ex requested “Please don’t hate me.” I honestly answered that ‘hate,’ no, I wasn’t capable of that, maybe more apathetic on some subjects than others, but never hate. I feel angry sometimes, like anyone else, but emotional dwell time into “hate” has never sat long with me. It seems such a wasted energy and I have more important things to do.
That said, I know over time I will regard the relationship I am now mourning with apathy. And that knowledge from prior experience makes me a little sad too. I don’t really no if it’s bad or good, but I know in time he will mean nothing to me. Certainly nothing suggesting “forgiveness,” if that makes sense …
I once read the following phrase, and it has helped me whenever i started to harbor those feelings of hatred and revenge.
“Hating someone is like YOU drinking poison and expecting that person to die”
In order to heal you must forgive, forgiveness is for YOU and not the other person.
I think many people confuse forgiving with forgetting, or with, in a way, saying “it was ok what you did.”
To me, forgiving is something we do for ourselves. We may never forget some things, and we may choose to cut contact, but what we can do is, we can forgive. Meaning, at some point, we can see someone who hurt us as a human being with his/her flaws, nothing more and nothing less. And even wish them well, or not. But it does not mean we forgot. And we don’t need to.
It’s important to move on though. At some point. I agree this may take a while.
I have recently realised all the above facts !
I will say that it definitely isnt an easy thing to realise…It isnt easy to forgive someone who hurt you intensely.
Its also not easy to realise that forgiveness is not for them to feel good or “ok” for the bad treatment towards you but , for you to feel and realise that you didnt deserve it , it wasnt right and that it says nothing about who you are as a person…
I really struggled with the last 2 things…. realising that it wasnt right and it wasnt my fault…. and that just because she treated me like a worthless doormat, it doesnt mean i am 1…
It means that she screwed up BIGTIME and that its her loss which she may or may not ever realise.
And yes, i would definitely agree that people ,including myself, confused the meaning of forgiving….it REALLY doesnt mean you forget or condone the way they treated you.
I will also admit, its tempting to hold onto hatred for the person who hurt you (i still hate her somewhat, but im working on it) but , in the end it doesnt do you any favours.
I kept thinking that if i hate my ex, show her im hurt , show her i think she is a bad person…. that it would make her feel remorse or guilt for doing me wrong….that she might feel what i feel and felt…..
But bottom line is…. it doesnt matter whether she does or doesnt feel it….. because i dont value her emotions anymor…
I dont care if she is in tears or hurting like i am…. I dont care if she feels good or bad…. she isnt my future, but my past.
Great post Susan. Somehow the recent buzz of ‘radical forgiveness’ in recovery circles hasn’t sat well with me and you have put my reasons into words. I prefer your suggested method – do the work, move through it in appropriate time and then move on.
“If you forgive too soon you may find yourself open to be hurt again, perhaps by the same person.”
I wanted so badly for him to love me and treat me as I deserved, so I continually went back, only to be hurt over and over again.
this may seem like a dumb question but i am going to ask anyway. My EX lied and cheated on me the WHOLE time we were together and true to his narcisscist ways he doesnt hold his self accountable…and he simply moves on with his life seeking out the next victim(s). He sucks as a person. Anyway, i def agree with the NC rule b/c i need to focus on me and put all that energy into myself, but 2 questions
1) Can i break the NC rule just to send a text saying how much of a prick he is and that i am glad we are over?
2) When his Bday rolls around cuz its coming : do i send a text saying H BDAY? (im thinking if i dont he will think “oh yeah i hurt her bad and she is still pissed lol) and enjoy that but if i do send a casual ‘happy birthday’ then it will seem like i could care less and i am over him….right?
All comments are welcomed :)
Doing my best to heal after being extremely hurt and betrayed and lied to and thrown away like i meant nothing. So i only want to make wise decisions from here on out about how to handle my anger and heal proplerly. So what do you guys think?
The “Rules of Disengagement” in the book addresses this very thing. in short you are not going to convince him of anything. In long, work on you. In the meantime, read the book :)
I just ordered the book and anxiously waiting for it in the mail…trying to stick with NC in the meantime …just…waiting…for the book.
Thanks Susan for the reply
thinkfirst15
I am reading the book and you will find it is so very helpful.
In the meantime, find a NC buddy….someone that you will commit to calling in those times when you feel you want to contact your ex.
I have a legal No Contact order and my ex remains in jail and I still have had those “urges” to contact him and members of his family. I am working with a therapist that I totally trust and respect and when those urges come up for me (and I tell you I feel like a “junky” needing a fix) I call her and she remains strong for me. Generally a few minutes of talking and I can center myself again and am ok.
Dear Thinkfirst:
I know where you are coming from…learn from my MISTAKE…do not do this.
What he thinks DOESN’T MATTER.
By contacting him, you are just going back for more anguish. Regardless of what he says or does not say,you are going to be hurt.
Be good to you and protect yourself.
NewLife
I would just remain NC. As hard as it is, if you are to heal, it really doesn’t matter anymore what he thinks. Remaining NC says more than you could ever say with any words.
ok, well the verdict is in i will remain the NC. True, who cares what he thinks…besides i already know…he is thinking about his own selfish needs. GOOD RIDDENS to BAD RUBBISH
Hi thinkfirst15
DOnt bother with telling him he’s a prick ….. he wont care…… and it will just make you seem like you are hurting etc etc…… i think he already knows (that he’s a prick)….
Just remember ….It doesnt matter ….
I thaught the exact same “questions” and things bout my ex fiance’ after she left me …
I felt like telling her she was a cruel ,cold hearted bitch and that i deserve better and how could she hurt me like she did, even after i treated her so well and loved her…. doesnt she care she’s breaking my heart etc….???
But, i with-held saying anything….. i realised that its not gna make ME feel any better, it wont make HER feel any worse, and it wont take back the past….. so , what is the point ???
I always choose to keep my dignity….. keep your side clean (as susan says on here) ….
she has been talking crap behind my back aswell….. iv not said a bad word to anyone …. and the fact that iv done this and chosen to be proud and the mature / genuine person …. its just proven to ME that i deserve better cause why would i want a wife like that , someone who can be so heartless and 2-faced , badmouthing etc ???….
Not to mention that NOBODY can say anything bad about me that is true….. not her friends, not her, nobody !!!….and that is a great feeling in contrast to the pain of a broken heart…
Your second question…….. I had the EXACT same views on sending a bday message to my ex….
Will she think this ??? …. will it seem like that ??? etc etc…
I decided to not send anything…… The fact that you dont send anything doesnt mean to him/her that your hurting
(even though you are)…. it just means that he’s no longer of any importance in your life so he doesnt get your attention anymore…you have better things to do !!!.. KEEP TELLING YOURSELF THIS !!!
He can think whatever he wants… but they are only his oppinions (which are irrelevant to ANYONE, including YOU)…and not facts !!!
I know exactly what you feel….. you want to show him he made a mistake or make him feel unimportant and make him feel like you’ve moved on easily… you want to “win” the battle…
But, there again….. the only way to win is not to play the game. As hard as it is to want to show him your “happy” and unhurt…. dont worry about it.
It is a pointless exercise…. and you only end up getting more hurt/upset because the results never turn out to be what you wanted …
Take it from me….. im a guy, my ex fiance’ of 2 years hurt me BADLY and in more ways than just a broken heart … and i felt exactly what you feel now…
Thinking this and that, wil she miss me, will she show remorse if i look or act “happy” etc… will she want to come back ?
But why bother thinking about these things…. it only drives YOU crazy !!! …trust me !
Goodluck
YES YES YES! OMG! you do know how i exactly feel!!! you hit it right on the head! I heart this site…thank you so much for that reply it made me feel really encouraged anad that yes i can fight thru these urges and become a stronger wiser person. Its so true (who am i kidding) he didnt care what i thought when we were together – so why would he start now. I wont send that final “F*ck off” text cuz its pointless and then i look crazy and stalkish and of course wounded, so you guys are right i dont want that image painted of me. The break -up happened last Thursday (Nov 5) but i knew all along he was cheating and lying to me constantly (i mean he was so secretive, and unavailable that i wouldnt be surprised if he was secretly married!) JERK! anywho last week i finally found the strength (after 3 years) to say “WE ARE OVER, i know you are seeing other women and i have caught you in several lies – i have just playing dumb to make it work! ” Even though i said what i had to say in my irate break up speech, i still feel like that’s not enough…so i get these to say “oh, and by the way ur a loser”
As you can see its been tough but its been NC for 5 days.
Hopefully, my book will be here any day now but in the meantime i will contine to journal, NC, and of course be on this site for support.
i like this column….i agree, too, that forgiveness is something that usually should and will only come later…alot of it is also self forgiveness.
to me forgiveness, best summed up, is unhooking your emotional attachment to the other person: unhooking the barbs of pain, longing, attachment to that other person and being free enough to move on with your own life believing in yourself more fully.
my sessions with a grief therapist have been so amazing…i can’t help but feel that alot of the reasons we get stuck is due to older unresolved wounds that haven’t healed properly….(lost both parents at age 4 so I have abandonment themes).
my therapist told me for example when i was lamenting how i was feeling stuck, that ‘this is not really about ‘L’…you have to remember that and continue healing and taking care of yourself (esp that younger child in you) …and i’ve been given alot of good exercises too…it’s been pretty liberating in many ways….just thought I’d share.
you know but somehow i feel that when i next get into a relationship I’ll be more ‘present’ (hopefully anyway)…will give myself more despite not having assurances it will ‘last’ (only death and taxes are certainties, lol)…the more grounded one is, the more one can really love, because you know that you’re still capable of being both loving and loveable irregardless of whether you and your new partner ‘last’ or not….just how i’m thinking lately and wanted to share.
Don’t do it! Honestly, it’s only for YOU that the advice is not to contact, it just keeps YOU hurting and thinking about the moron for longer. You are worth more and are worth better thoughts than this! Yes he’s a loser and a prick and everything else but write it all down, let yourself think it – but don’t give him the satisfaction of knowing ANYTHING about how you feel. It’s hard to do but so worth it. And it moves you on a LOT faster. This is why we do it. Not to show them – but to speed up our new life.
If you get the urge to contact, do ANYTHING but that. Honestly, chatting up a random guy in a bar (but don’t take him home) is a much better option. So is a massage, buying clothes, going to the gym, making a cake and sharing it with friends, playing piano, watching a movie, an incredible facial, or just watching your favourite show on TV. Anything. counts. Just. Anything. But not that.
Let him go in your head – the sooner you do the more good things are going to start happening in your life. it’s hard for that to happen when people are obsessive or vindictive. Don’t do it to yourself. You are aiming to just feel – indifference.
TangoLola
one thing i wish to share that i’ve really found helpful when in a poor mood lately: ask yourself ‘what can I do right NOW to bring some happiness and power into my life?’…it can be a very small thing, ie, warm cup of your favourite tea…or piece of music…or calling a friend…or appreciating something around you…so often we’re looking towards happiness as so future directed, ie, when i lose 20 lb…or pay off some debt…or get that ‘thing’ or achieve that goal…but i’m finding more and more that by finding ways to be happy right NOW also gives me fuel to stay on track to more future directed happiness too in my goals etc.
Thanks Canali1. This post really helped me. I have been doing a lot of recycling lately and feeling blue. I am going to try this. I do tend to fill my life up and look to the future. Never thought of what would make me happy right this moment. Tired of thinking to myself, “It doesn’t matter,” over and over. Recycling sucks. Will give this a try.
I agree that forgiveness done before I’ve worked through the emotions of the “bad deed/s” isn’t a helpful thing, but maybe if people try doing inventories of things in the distant past and start practicing the steps of forgiveness it would help to start letting go of the misdeeds that are more recent.
People might notice patterns that they can start to forgive in bulk if they see that they’ve been inviting themselves into the same situations that wound them. Another thing, they’d have practice so when they get to the recent things they’d be in shape for it and will have let go of things that might be clouding today’s situation.
I’ve been listening to Louise Hay’s “You Can Heal Your Life” on audiobook recently and I have really learned a lot. She does a chapter on forgiveness and I think it’s really useful.
I like the idea of bulk forgiving if the wounds are linked. A friend of mine who is a photographer and far along in his self recovery process gave me similar idea through metaphor.
He said that for one shoot he may take up to 2000 digital shots and each of those has to be reviewed and coded in someway. Some shots get marked with a 1 which means ’send to the trash can’ and others with a 2 which means store for archives etc. All the shots that are linked by the code 1 can later be collected in one huge lot and dumped.
He likened it to our wounds and getting to the roots of them and finding a common denominator – once that is found and dealt with a whole lot of emotional trash can be dealt with at once. It just takes a bit of time to review the most painful of memories and make the links.
It is helpful to view my mountain of internal trash in this way as I can build the faith that at a cruicial point in my own recovery and when I am ready, I can reduce the junk a whole lot at once. I look forward to that day when it comes!
Susan and all…..
I have been studying the GPYB book for a week or so now. I find that I am strangely “normal” in this detachment process…and that does feel good. I appreciate this site as well which gives me support from others who do understand.
For me, I want to be healed already! I think, “after all, it has been 3 months since he stranguled me and a month since I divorced him, I should be through all this!” And, yet I do realize that this is a process that I need to really work through.
For me, at the age of 57, this is the first time in my life that I have been completely on my own without parents or a man or children. I am being particularly protective of my personal space realizing that I have a lot of processing/healing to do so that I never get involved with this type of person again….3 marriages and each husband choice got worse…and with a malignent narcisstic sociopath as husband number 3, I am more than ready to do my personal work so that I take better care of DEB.
A dear friend told me: “You were on a speeding out of control train and you were thrown OFF the train….not under the train…not in front of the train….but you were spared and thrown OFF this train!” I think of that in the dark night’s of the soul when I feel the emptiness of my house closing in on me. I think of that when I sit here wondering if my phone is out of order because no one calls. I think of that when I feel an intense sense of abandonment and loneliness realizing that other people have their own lives and it isn’t up to them to make sure I am busy.
I know I have self-forgiveness work to do somewhere in this process because I saw so many warning signs and red flags and for whatever reason…stupidity, vulnerability, feeling like I could change him, or whatever….I CHOSE to ignore these signs. I chose to look the other way when my gut feelings told me he was cheating on me…he was lying…he didn’t love me…he was leeching off me….he was using me. I CHOSE to look the other way. I AM very angry at myself for that and I think before I will be able to totally trust myself and my own decisions I need to forgive myself. I suspect I need to do some forgiveness work regarding him; however, the level of anger I feel right now for him tells me that I am not at the right place or time to even entertain that. I’m ok with that piece. In the past years with him, I forgave him WAY TOO SOON.
Thanks for listening!
Deb
PS: A good book for those who have possibly been with sociopaths: “Without Conscience” by Dr. Robert Hare. This book and Dr. Hare’s research definitely helps one recognize and understand the evilness of this personality disorder and its resistence to any sort of therapeutic treatment.
Deb,
Don’t be too hard on yourself. I don’t think we see things until we are ready to. I too am still angry at my ex. But I find the more I do the work and work on myself, the more apathetic I feel towards him.
I think your anger shows you didn’t really forgive your ex. You just bottled it up inside. We all work at different paces and we move back and forth between different phases. Thanks for sharing. Take care of yourself.
Thanks for your comments, imhopeful! Daily I am working on myself and I’m miles ahead of where I was. So much “reality” of the situation has opened for me that at times it is difficult to take it all in. Perhaps that is what you heard regarding your comment about me being hard on myself.
Deb
Hi guys!
I just wanted to thank everyone especially (Susan, Debshealing, Newlife, Tooforgiving, Gambit25 and Tangolola) for your support and wonderful advice. If wasnt for this site – i am sure i would be making all the wrong and irrational decisions. Now that i know the rules of how to let go of someone you love properly i feel stronger and actually proud of my self composure. NC has made me look like a complete lady that has class and a no tolerance rule LOL! I still have my evil fantasies of bleaching his clothes or sending nasty text of how much he sucks as a person, but now i just dont act on them. I’m working on me everytime i dwell on him or what he’s doing i immediately STOP and start thinking about me. My dream is to go travel – so i am planning a trip to Barcelona BUT doing this makes me yearn to be in a relationship. I’m trying to plan something for the horrid VDAY!!! i want to far away! even though they will be coupes everywhere expressing their love for one another (spare me please) so anyway. Friday (Nov 13) it will be one week of NC!!! is there a chip for one week? oh heck i’ll just take 7 white chips :)
Pat yourself on the back for making it one week with NC! :)
One more thing – do you guys have any advice for the weekends…the weekends are horrible for me…thats when i miss him the most. I’m worried that i might crack and call…
Oh and lets not mention the holidays… man this is going to be tough but im really dreading Vday! any tips for the weekends or holiday blues?
thinkfirst15:
Use your screen name “thinkfirst” as your own advice for the weekends. :)
I am now over 3 months with NC. Has it been easy? HELL NO. Is it easy now? It is getting better. Here is how I handle weekends and holidays. PLAN AHEAD. I am getting myself into a routine. I generally have Friday-Sunday off due to the type of job I have. I spend one day doing the necessary “errands” outside of the house like groceries, shopping, etc. I spend one day doing the necessary household chores to get things ready for another week of work (laundry, dishes, cooking, etc) and then I spend the 3rd day “relaxing” either alone or with a friend or my children/grandchildren. Now…I still have empty time. I am learning to be ok with that time. I read, journal, clean closets or drawers, keep busy in some way. But on Thursday night or Friday morning I plan. I write my List for the Weekend of all the things I need to accomplish and I find for me this really helps a lot.
Now…holidays…this is more of a challenge especially for the ones that “Hallmark Cards” says have to be enjoyed a certain way. My caveat for myself is this: PLAN but do not begin “awfulizing” about the expectations of the day because that will set you up….self-fulfilling prophecy. And, I find that giving to others will give to you….so on V day….make Valentine cards a couple of weeks in advance and deliver them to people in a nursing home. Now…you do that and I bet you see and experience REAL love.
Just some ideas….
Hang in there, Deb
Ok, i have to vent b/c i might explode if i dont!!!
My Psycho Ex for my bday had bought me a really nice watch a few years back, the battery stopped working so i had asked to replace the battery for me since he had the warranty (this is of course when we were on good times) So now that we are not together he sends me a text saying “Dont even think that i am giving you ur watch back” WHAT A JERK!!!! i was steaming mad that i could obsess about is how i can reply back with something about how he is selfish scum and how glad i am that i now have xray vision to see thru his BS…and just when i planned the perfect evil reply…i realized i left my cell at home! LOL! OMG! a sign from GOD – it just made me giggle. B/C literally i snapped and lost it! NC went straight out the window! i just couldnt believe how he could send something so nasty and keep my watch that he gave me as a present and knowing that i adored it! just to be spiteful – i mean really what could he do with a womans watch? oh well i guess he could give it 2 his new gf. But i decided not to text him and i will just try really really hard not to let that comment keep pissing me off.
P.S. thanks for the weekend and Holiday tips Debshealing i like the one about sending cards to people at the nursing home. Giving and helping others always makes me feel better!
Forget it. Let him do whatever he wants to do with that watch. Who cares. Maybe he’ll become gay and wear it himself. Who cares. Buy yourself a new beautiful watch and whatever you do, stay NC.
I agree with greenroses, let that watch go! Who cares, it’s only an object, and you don’t really want to wear something all the time that’s from a person you now don’t want in your world, and someone who is being so petty about it. I would save up (if I had to) and buy myself a REALLY nice watch to celebrate the fact that I am not with that person anymore. Moves you towards where you want to be going faster.
TangoLola
Think first… it was definitely a sign! I’m glad you didn’t respond. Every time you don’t respond, it will be easier the next time to not respond. Eventually he will leave you alone because he is not getting a rise out of you and with time, distance, and the work, you will get over him.
Your work is kind, wise, and very helpful, Susan. I found you today through searching WordPress blogs for articles on healing from grief, since I’ll be doing a post on that for my blog Skywriter. I read several of your articles here and was especially moved by those on healing from a breakup. I’ll mention you and give links to those articles in my post. Great stuff! Donna Cunningham, MSW
I don’t believe that forgiveness is something I control. It is my choice to forgive, but that choice is/isn’t exercised as the last part of a process. The process is: 1st, the offender acknowledges the wrongful deed; 2nd, the offender apologizes for the wrongful deed; 3rd, the offender asks for forgiveness. At that point, I then decide whether to forgive. My ex hasn’t performed any of these things to atone for the cruel way she rejected my matrimonial proposal. Therefore, I have no way to forgive her as she hasn’t performed the requisite steps. However, as someone said in an earlier post, if by forgiveness we mean just not caring about the act(s) anymore, then I am largely there – but my eyes do still mist up when I recount the episode to someone.
I offered her my hand in the most loving way I knew how and the way she conducted herself is her issue – not mine. Some other lucky girl in my future will get the 5 dozen long stems and the Tiffany solitaire! ;-))
Only a horrible person would respond in a cruel manner to a marriage proposal. I mean, really. You are SO much better off! You will find the person who deserves you.
Thanks, some day I will share the whole ordeal as it really was an almost surreal experience – beside being incredibly hurtful and damaging to me emotionally. But, as time has gone by, I have come to realize that it’s all her issues and not mine and the person I was most angry with was myself for walking right into the buzzsaw. Yes, I was madly in love, but, I still have to keep my eyes open for the road signs! ;-))
Here’s the thing… you are looking at forgiveness as something you are doing for someone else. And in order to do it, they need to first deserve it. Forgiving someone is making peace with the past so that YOU can move on… it’s letting go of resentment because resentment ultimately hurts YOU not them. Susan is right, you need to work through the feelings (not simply push them aside) You need to mourn the loss (or losses) and then you need to get to a point of forgiveness for your own well being. It has nothing to do with the other person. They clearly suck and don’t deserve diddly but you deserve to feel happiness again and the only way that is possible is to let go of the pain.
I was a lifelong grudge keeper and I punished everyone who had wronged me by not forgiving them. BUt you know what… holding a grudge didn’t hurt them, it hurt me.
I highly recommend a book by Fred Luskin called Forgive For Good. It turned my thinking on the subject and relieved a lot of the pain I was feeling inside for so long.
Thank you guys for the great advice – i really like Tangolola advice. I will absolutely do that – save up and buy a even nicer watch. Don’t praise me too much b/c if i hadnt left my cell at home i would have been texting away some pretty nasty messages. I do consider it a sign but i NEVER leave my cell… when i got home and saw my cell. i no longer had the urge to call him or text him…i had calmed down and came to my senses NC! he has texted a couple times since then…but now i just delete b4 reading them (lesson learned) and this avoids me getting pissed all together and helps me heal, i love it when i hit DELETE and then my cell asks ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO DELETE? …. I am so sure! lol
I still think about him but not in a way like i miss him more as i hope he changes or i hope he realized how much of a jerk he is and how he hurt me… trying to stop that tho. I am going on 2 weeks of NC! amazing