Hi Susan,
Your GPYP blog website has helped me out tremendously with my
breakup of a 3 1/2 yr relationship. Thank you so much! It has
been 8 months since I ended it because of verbal & emotional
abuse. It was very difficult for me to do as I loved her so
deeply. The pain & grief I experience is still so intense.
I recently purchased your book & anxious to start the
relationship inventory. After writing down most of the
information to the questions, I suddenly became overwhelmed
with so much grief that I had to stop. That was a month ago, I
am just so devastated to continue. I read about recycling in
your book & figured that is what must be happening to me.
On top of this, the Ex keeps trying to make contact, with phone
calling, texting, emailing & stopping by my house. I of course
do not respond. I now have her emails & texts blocked. I
checked my driveway before answering the door last week, it was
her & she parked elsewhere so I would answer the door. My
problem is when I’m in her presence, she is like “kryptonite”
for me. I have let he know by email & mail to not contact, but
she will not leave me alone.
This woman has tried everything to have some sort of contact
with me. She is the most beautiful woman I have ever been
with, has the whole package looks & great shape, family that I
was very attached with. But she is very self-righteous,
controlling & cannot admit any wrongdoing on her part. I’m
having difficulty, this big inner turmoil inside of me telling
me I’m making a huge mistake at my last chance of happiness. I
always thought she was the “one”. In the end I decided it
would be better for me to take what little self esteem &
dignity I had left & end this. But now I have been doubting
myself. She’s putting on the nicey nice personality trying to
woo me back in.
I’m sure you have heard many stories like mine. I am not a
mean person, I can tolerate a lot of BS from someone, so it is
difficult to just shut the door in her face when she’s stops
by. On her last visit, she told me that “I figured you must
not be capable of being friends with a female unless you’re
having sex with them”. She also told me she wished she never
fell in love with me, that was her mistake.
I don’t recall if I ever let her know how abusive she was to
me. Do I need to let her know so she can finally understand
why I don’t want any contact? Or do I tell myself “it doesn’t
matter” & just focus on taking care of myself? This has been
the most difficult experience in my life & sometimes it feels
like I will not survive.
thanks Susan, God Bless.
Thank you for writing. It is next to impossible to do our work when we are still in the midst of contact. If you are overwhelmed by grief then it’s not time yet for the Relationship Inventory or you are not doing ANY self-care. The book says EMPHATICALLY that you MUST balance the work with self-care. If you’re not doing that, it’s impossible. You must get into your self-care routine FIRST and start working on that self-esteem before you do the deeper work.
Second, your ex sounds like a nut. Emotionally and verbally abusive. Perhaps a borderline personality? Any psych history there? Why do you think she’s ANY chance at happiness? She sounds like misery personified. Why would you think you’re making a mistake? It sounds like you’re dodging a HUGE bullet. So long as part of you is in doubt, you’re going to be susceptible to her advances…and she’s someone who sounds like she enjoys toying with people. Grow a backbone and end it once and for all. Otherwise you’re setting yourself up for a lot of misery.
She is ignoring your requests for no-contact so explaining it to her really isn’t going to make a big difference. However, if she shows up at your door, you MUST shut the door in her face or not even open the door. REFUSE to open the door. Say “who is it?” and if she identifies herself say, “Go away.” and then drop it. You’re inside. She’s outside. IF she attempts to get in, call the police.
I know that stuff is hard but this woman appears to be a psycho. Many men do not want to call the police on their ex but, honestly, I would call the police and ask them what you can do. Then if she does show up, the police already know about the situation.
I once had a client that I suggested this to and he didn’t do it and when the ex showed up he went outside and when he went back inside she threw herself at him and when he kept going and shut the door on her, SHE called the police and said HE beat her up. He had to hire a lawyer and go to court and the whole nine yards. She never showed up to court but he had been arrested, had to pay a lawyer and was miserable for a long time.
Do you want that to happen? Call the police and make a record as to what is going on. If you’ve sent her emails or whatever to tell her to leave you alone send copies to the police. Tell them you just want their advice on how to handle it. Let them tell you what to do. Talking to her is NOT the answer.
The whole thing about “you could never be friends…” is manipulation. Who cares what she thinks? Why would anyone in their right mind want to be friends with someone like that? You don’t. What she thinks of you is none of your business.
Now the final thing is that you MUST take responsibility for allowing contact. You MUST stop contact. You cannot talk out of both sides of your mouth and expect anyone to respect that. They won’t and why should they?
You must decide on one unambiguous message and send it NO MATTER WHAT she does. DO NOT RESPOND. If she shows up, do not answer the door. Do not EVER answer the door without asking who it is. Install a peephole…do SOMETHING that will give you the upper hand.
You must act in unison with what you want. If you’re ambiguous she’s going to pounce.
Go NC. Stay NC and get that self-care going!!!!!!
You can do this!!!






Integrity is something I have always considered part of me. It is also one of the hardest parts of my recovery. As Susan has pointed out it is about doing what you say you want to do. Setting the boundaries and enforcing them is super important and although I am still struggling with that (9 months later) I am a lot better than I was. Dealing with manipulators and boundary crashers is challenging and even more so if you have a glimmer of hope thing will be different – if only…blah blah blah. Well it is not worth it- there are reasons why you are not together. There are better healthier people out there. Do your work; realize you will be ok and even better without some bananahead in your life. It’s a challenge that gets easier the more you practice it. You are worth it. Do it for you and your sanity.
I’m a firm believer in being left alone and if one can not and does not honour that, then I believe that contacting the police is necessary. People today act in ways that are very offensive; dangerous; and risky and I would rather err on the side of caution and have a record of what’s going on than to think the person would never take it that far.
I’m leary about anyone who acts in ways such as the person has described his ex because that behaviour is far from attractive and would give me no personal incentive to want them back. She shows a blatant disregard for not just the man, but for her own integrity. Ugh!
I don’t have to deal with this problem bc the ex hasn’t contacted me since he broke up with me. He never even replied to the couple of emails that I sent AFTER he broke up with me in an email. I hated the rejection, but I know in the long run, he has done me a HUGE FAVOR!!!!!
I am both proud and ashamed of what I am going to write, but think this board is the best place to come clean and hold myself to a resolution.
Since my breakup a several months ago, my X and I tried the friend thing for a few weeks, fell into old, hurtful patterns (me sleeping with him, thinking that time together would get him to see what he was missing..I know, I know). For the past two months, I’ve had relative no contact. I have not called or texted and on the rare occasion where he has written, my response is a one liner that ends the discussion. Yay, me.
But….I have been horrible at passive contact. I check Facebook daily. And I check his email. Why? I have a compulsion to know what is going on, for answers, for insight, for things that will help me move on. And of course, seeing evidence of him moving on (plans with others, dates with others, sex with others) just depresses me and makes me feel expendable. I know as I write this that I am keeping myself from moving on let alone disrespecting his most basic sense of privacy and likely even doing something illegal. I judge myself for those things as well. Of course I can stop and of course I should. But when I am lonely or depressed it the urge to “check in” almost becomes compulsive Checking relieves the urge, but only temporarily. Then I feel worse.
Letting go of this relationship has been so difficult. There was no abuse or lies, I hesitate to call him a bananahead. Rather, we tried hard to make things work but in the end I wanted more than he was willing (or possibly able) to give emotionally. Plus, he never fully accepted me — he was open about his reservations and yet I stayed, hoping he would grow to accept. Some of these things were behavioral, some were physical, but we could not bridge the gap. I am sad that he gave up on us and a bit angry at him for telling me what I wanted to hear while he figured out what he felt, but all in all it was the best relationship I ever had and I’m just sad.
Thanks for letting me vent/confess. Have any of you done the same thing and, if so, what made you stick with true NC despite the compulsions?
Hi pad88,
I am not sure what your aim is. Do you WANT to go total NC?
Because, there is no such thing as “relative NC”. There can be some form of contact due to circumstances (having a child or a business together), but in your case neither appears to be the case. So, either you go NC or you don’t. “Writing a short line that ends the discussion” is not NC.
NC is about your healing. It may seem like the “best relationship you ever had”, which does still not mean it was a good one or right for you. Obviously, some crucial things have not worked out, and “bananahead” is not a cruel term, so it does not have to be a totally horrible relationship for you to call your ex that way (but that’s an aside).
You say he never fully accepted you, gave up on you, walked away. All of these things are signs of a BAD relationship.
So the choice is yours: Do you want to continue giving in to what you call your “compulsions” or make an active decision to go cold turkey (NC) and stick with that.
“Relative NC” is like being “a bit pregnant”. No such thing.
Pad88,
Seems like you are on the boat that I left a few days ago. Checking his email is like the worst thing you can do… to YOURSELF! I’ve done that in the past… checked her emails to see what she was up to, hoping there would be something that would help me to move on. But finding out that she moved on with some other dude so quickly… that just made me feel worse! I was in much deeper pain. If you are really that compulsive to check his stuff, you may need to ask him to change it. Otherwise, just simply stop… as I did.
I’ve been on NC for almost a month now. And I never felt better. Only when I feel lonely and think of all the good times we’ve had, I am tempted to text/call her. But I don’t. My brain is mostly filtering out the good things from the relationship, not seeing the bad part. It’s really hard to focus on the bad part if they rejected you. I sometimes just sit alone, play some good music, and try to think (or write) what really went on. That makes me feel much, much better… to know that I am no longer with her. I think writing is much better in this. Susan’s book is really helpful, gives you all the guidelines to do the inventory. Get it if you don’t have it already!
pad88,
What you’re doing is unhealthy and lacks integrity. You’ve got to stop it. I realize the temptation that comes from possessiveness- but that isn’t a healthy part of the brain to take over. You have to be a grown up woman and drop Facebook for a while and get him to change his email password if you have such a strong compulsion.
You just need to stop. It’s about keeping your side of the street clean and what you are doing isn’t clean. Plus it’s making you feel worse.
First delete Facebook completely. Second, you have to tell him to change his email password. I have no idea how you got it but you have got to tell him you have it. I had that once because I was helping the ex pay bills when we were in a relationship and like you I checked it for a while but then it was like WHAT AM I DOING? and I wasn’t even that close to well. I didn’t tell him but I told a friend of his to suggest he change it. I did fib and say I hadn’t checked it but I was tempted sometimes. Anyway it got it done.
GO NC. That is the only way to heal.
Greenroses and Serenity – I agree with you both. I do want to go NC – I can make that an active decision and that is what it has to be: a daily, active decision. I realize it would be better and healthier for me. I think for me step 1 was not reaching out — and I did that (even though I found it quite hard – trust me, I had urges to call) so now I have to move onto step 2 which is a complete cut off.
I’d prefer not to get to the point where I have to ask him to change it, so I just need to stop myself. If I find that I lack that discipline, I agree – that is the only next step. I think I’d be so mortified that that is incentive enough.
i filtered any incoming emails to automatically archive and i’ve blocked any texts, but i’m still searching for contact (checking the archive and checking my phone obsessively). i’m not making contact, but i want to see him try. i’ve had a massive headache for three days now, and i almost feel like i had a stroke from the realization of the betrayal and my frontal lobe in overdrive. the sooner i let go the happier i’ll be…
yes you will. You can do this!!
Hi Susan,
I’m the guy who wrote you the above message about ending my 3 1/2 yr relationship. Thanks for the reply. I will heed your advise about not answering my door at home or my office.
I must admit there is a part of me that still has false hope about the Ex. Even though we were not married, this feels like a divorce. So much gut wrenching pain, grief & sadness, sadness sadness.
I am doing some self care, exercising, journaling, affirmations, going out with friends. I was so enmeshed with this woman & her family, it has left a huge vacuum in my life to fill. Been trying to make peace with the peace. It’s difficult when the loneliness or fear sets in.
I wish i could do a brain cleanse like Jim Carrey in the movie “Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind” & wipeout all memories of this woman & the sadness.
This is the hardest breakup I ever dealt with. There are so many places or events that constantly remind me of her. I can’t get away from them all. Even July 4th weekend, it was her 50th birthday. I’ve spent the four previous 4th of July’s with her at a very nice beach hotel. I purposely went far away this year on a camping trip with 16 people…but she still invaded my thoughts the whole time.
I drank a lot for the first 7 mos, mostly to go to sleep at night & numb out the sadness. I read, watch TV, walk the dog, do yard work, wash the car, go shopping. I’m learning to be alone again, not part of a coupleship anymore.
I will close now, seems like I’m rambling on. Thanks again.
Believe it will get better because it really will. NC is the KEY to getting back your life and sanity. She is being so disrespectful and selfish, you are so much better than that…Really YOU are!!!
Hi Susan your books and blog have helped me out alot, thanks so much.
With the NC conditions I’m having trouble with one thing, my ex owes me some money, alot to be exact and I don’t want to contact him but how else can I get my money back?
How much is a lot and what were the conditions/agreements for repayment?
A few thousand. He told me he would be in contact with me to meet me sometime soon and get it back, that was weeks ago and it’s causing me to constantly look at my phone, my emails everything. I want to have no contact with him because looking at my phone is driving me crazy… but I don’t know how when we have so many ties. Should I involve a third party? so I don’t have to deal with him?
Hi missmartinez,
I had a similar situation last year. I had a business with my ex and he owed me money at the end of it. Well, he basically went off without a word, though he had promised to repay me. There was no written agreement or similar, and I knew that he had no money.
At some point, I had to let it go. It was very hard but relieving also (plus, through a mistake on the client side, I did actually get part of the money, because the client paid me instead of him, and that was luck for me, or the universe helping me out a bit, dont know). He just disappeared like that, and was never seen again.
I remember that when I was waiting for a response (or the money), I would feel very uptight and uneasy. So stressed. So helpless. Very focused on him. There was little I could do.
Letting it go was the best.
If in your case, there is a written agreement or something, plus you can find a third party to handle it for you, why not. Do what is best for you. You can make an active decision not to look at your phone anymore, re.this. Stop driving yourself crazy. It will just show you how powerless you are (waiting for his response), so stop that. Take action. Do something. Either take legal action or forget about the money and free yourself. But stop the “looking at the phone” thing.
Hi missmartinez,
I had a similar situation last year. I had a business with my ex and he owed me money at the end of it. Well, he basically went off without a word, though he had promised to repay me. There was no written agreement or similar, and I knew that he had no money.
At some point, I had to let it go. It was very hard but relieving also (plus, through a mistake on the client side, I did actually get part of the money, because the client paid me instead of him, and that was luck for me, or the universe helping me out a bit, dont know). He just disappeared like that, and was never seen again.
I remember that when I was waiting for a response (or the money), I would feel very uptight and uneasy. So stressed. So helpless. Very focused on him. There was little I could do.
Letting it go was the best.
If in your case, there is a written agreement or something, plus you can find a third party to handle it for you, why not. Do what is best for you. You can make an active decision not to look at your phone anymore, re.this. Stop driving yourself crazy. It will just show you how powerless you are (waiting for his response), so stop that. Take action. Do something. Either take legal action or forget about the money and free yourself. But stop the ‘looking at the phone’ thing.
My ex owes me like $500. I wanted to call her to get it back… but then I gave it some thought. I didn’t care for the money, I just wanted to talk to her. So I never bothered her about it. And she hasn’t cared to say anything about it yet. It’s been about a month since we broke up.
So think about it. A few thousand dollars IS a lot in amount compared to my $500. But ask yourself this, do you really care about it? I know if I were you, I would try to get it back. Try to get somebody else to do it. If you can’t, write a letter… but strictly keep it to business.
^— in response to missmartinez. I posted it in the wrong place. oops!
No, it’s in the right place. :) Thanks for using the reply key!!
Do you have that in writing? I would not meet him because it is not necessary to meet in person to get money back.
Send him a short note/email saying he has 30 days to give it back or you will go to an attorney. then you can go to an attorney or if it’s under 5k, small claims court. Tell him do not email, do not call, do not show up in person. You expect one letter in the US mail with the money within 30 days or you’re taking legal action.
No reason to meet him for the money. And get everything in writing.
If that route is too hard, then ignore the money.
I found this website much later than I needed, but I’m glad I found it.
My story is the similar to most here: I met a guy in January who I dated for 4 months. When I met him I was 6 months out of an abusive relationship (one of several I’ve been in since college). I wasn’t completely healed from the previous situation when I met this man–I still had trust issues, but it seemed I had a handle on my internal stuff, as I had worked with a great therapist. I usually never open up or let myself be vulnerable in relationships–mostly because I try to protect myself from being hurt or to keep people from getting too close. After taking time to deal with my stuff, I felt confident and was living the life the I wanted for myself, and I felt empowered in my ability to form health relationships and set healthy boundaries.
When I met my most recent ex in January, I had no intention to date him. It just sort of happened over time. He made me feel safe and secure, something I’ve never experienced in any relationship. I could show up as my authentic self without fearing physical or verbal abuse. When I told him about my past, he was empathetic and compassionate. We talked every night on the phone, went on dates. He encouraged me while I was finishing up my master’s thesis at school. We were open and supportive of each other, and I felt like he was the “one.” It was the most amazing feeling I ever felt in a relationship.
I went on a trip to South Africa about 2.5 months into our relationship, and we kept contact while I was away. He picked me up from the airport, and was very excited to see me when I got back. All seemed to be progressing fine.
Then he started to act bizarre–the day after I got back from South Africa! He would make dates, and then ignore them. When I asked if something was wrong he would say no and that he still wanted to date me. He said he was dealing with a complicated situation that he couldn’t speak with me about. I told him it was fine and offered my support to him through the difficult time. And we continued talking on the phone. I didn’t think much of it because we are both in grad school, leading busy lives and preparing to graduate. I didn’t see it as a red flag at the time. He was consistent before, and I didn’t think it was an issue at first.
I soon became frustrated with his behavior and decided that I should probably walk away. But then I learned from one of his classmates in business school that he had a child for whom he has full custody. I thought maybe he had ignored dates because something was going on with his child, and I was really worried. I told him I was thinking about taking a step back from the situation so I could focus my energies on school. He said he wanted to the same, but he hoped he could keep contact with me. He said he wanted to tell me about the complicated situation in his life in the future. I told him there’s no time like the present, and I asked him whether or not he had a child and what the situation was. I cared about him deeply, and I felt it was appropriate to ask him about it. I told him I was okay with it and that I just wanted to be there for him, and I was worried about him.
He got angry at me and said I had overstepped my bounds and told me he never wanted to speak or see me again. I should have stopped talking to him, but I didn’t. We went back and forth for months, but I did most of the chasing via texts, calls, emails.
I’m ashamed to say that I didn’t start NC when I should have and tried to work things out and prove to him that I’m valuable and worth loving. He made me feel like I wasn’t good enough and I wanted to show him that I was. He would go back and forth being nice to me sometimes to criticizing me. He would throw me a crumb of attention every now and then, but he mostly criticized me or became angry with me because I hadn’t let go as quickly as he had. This has been going on for months. After he criticizes me (he calls me selfish and inconsiderate all the time and says I have a poor character/lack integrity because I tried to desperately reconcile with him) and it hurts me. I tried to call/text and apologize to win back his attention. He blames me for the demise of our relationship, and I believed that if I could be a better person, he would want me back. And I was wrong.
When I told him I loved him, he said that I “fabricated” my feelings and that he never said he loved me so there was no possible way that I could ever love him. It hurt to show someone something authentic and have them completely dishonor it. It would have been okay for him to say he doesn’t feel the same way, but he didn’t. Instead he attacked my character, integrity, and authenticity
I lost control of my emotions Tues. night and bombarded him with texts, calls, and emails. I think I just reached my breaking point. Everyone around me has said my behavior since I broke up with him has been out of character and people worried about my well-being. But people perceive me to be intelligent, strong, and that I have it all together so none of my friends or family intervened. All the while I just felt myself unraveling in confusion and pain.
So Wed morning I got a call from a detective who said if I ever contacted him again, formal charges would be pressed against me for harassment. I was mortified.
This post strikes a nerve for me because I am worried that maybe I was being manipulative like the woman described above. I said things to my ex out of anger, but we both said and did negative things. Nothing egregious, but we both certainly went back and forth and neither of us can be completely absolved of wrongdoing. I never showed up at his house or followed him. In fact, I moved from the city where we both lived to get distance from him and the situation. I turned down job offers in the area so I could get distance. It doesn’t help that he had spent time criticizing my character and making me feel like a bad person for expressing my love to him.
The thing that doesn’t sit well with me is that my ex has placed the blame all on me and has absolved himself of any wrongdoing. It hurts so much, and to add insult to injury he raised my stress levels by going to the police. He didn’t file a report thankfully, but it just feels like he’s taking another jab at me, placing all the blame on me again.
It’s been hard to reclaim who I was before I met him. I wasn’t perfect, but I was much better and more clear about who I was back then. Now I’m confused, cry all the time, my hair has been falling out in huge clumps, I barely eat. I recently graduated with high honors from grad school, and I feel like a failure.
I’m starting to see a therapist, and she has helped me to see that he probably has intimacy issues and problem with letting someone get close to him–some of the same issues I struggle with, but consciously tried to work on before I met him and while we dated as issues came up for me. It doesn’t make me feel better or answer any questions.
I’m not who I used to be anymore, and I don’t know if I will ever reclaim her.