“If you have always done it that way, it is probably wrong.” ~ Charles Kettering.
“If you do what you’ve always done, you’ll get what you’ve always gotten.” ~ anonymous
When we are challenged to change our lives we realize we are stuck in patterns, in habits, in doing things the same way over and over again. In GPYP we talk about “comfort zones” and “frames of reference”–where they come from and how we break out of them. Prior to doing it we must WANT to break out of them and make a decision to do so. Often that is where we get stuck…long before we ever get to understanding and doing something about them. We get stuck in the same old ruts simply because it’s what we’ve done.
Ask yourself: is your way turning out to be successful? How about the people you are attracted to — your “type”?
Do you tell people, “Oh he’s not my type.” or “She’s not pretty enough for me.” or “I don’t like people who have those kinds of interests.” when they try to interest you in someone new?
Do you gravitate to the same “type” over and over only to be handed your heart back in shreds?
I’ve heard people denounce a “type” change because the new people seem boring or not attractive enough. It doesn’t mean we have to go from Mr. Unfaithful but Hunky to the Mr. Sweetheart but Ugly Guy. It doesn’t mean as drastic a change as people imagine and envision. It just means considering people slightly different from what we idealize.
I have at least 2 male friends who want drop-dead gorgeous women. First of all, neither of them are drop-dead gorgeous themselves and both have been burned, over and over again, by drop-dead gorgeous women. Do they change their type? No. Will they consider even “very cute” but more emotionally stable? No. Why? Because they’re not his type.
Similarly I have female friends who want the “bad boy” and when I suggest that perhaps a more stable type might do, they think I am trying to relegate them to nerd-dom forever. That is not the case.
In both cases and any other where you’re just not feeling it for someone outside your normal type, you have to break out a bit further and see what happens. If you are cultivating your self-esteem and self-confidence…if you’re learning to OBSERVE as we teach in GPYP instead of jumping pell mell into every situation, you will be armed with a terrific evaluation tool.
Instead of leading with your chin over and over again, learn to give the “type” who is a little bit outside your normal type a bit of a chance and then learn to stand back and evaluate the situation and the person.
As we’ve said over and over again, when you’re going BACK to dating after a big breakup, learn to go slow and date, really date, before making a decision to be in a relationship or get serious. In this dating period, you can experiment and explore the idea of spending people who are not normally your type. You can take things slow and give people just outside the range of your normal type a chance. You may be surprised at what happens.
As long as you are not self-sabotaging (saying that you’re giving others a chance, but really not, getting ready to doom the person and the situation no matter what happens), you may be pleasantly surprised. If not, you may at least be able to learn new things about you, about dating and about how “healthy” you are right now.
When you are comfortable in your own skin it’s easier to allow people to just come in, spend some time and then you accept or reject them for more time.
When you are getting healthy you are not DESPERATE for someone else to like you and you don’t take it personally when someone you don’t even know doesn’t like you.
When you are getting healthy you are better able to move on when someone doesn’t like you rather than try to chase him or her down and try to harass them into liking you (which doesn’t ever work and if it does, something is clearly very wrong with both of you.)
When you’ve done your work you start to evaluate whether or not YOU want to be with someone rather than trying to spend a date impressing this other person (whom you don’t even know) with why THEY want to be WITH you.
You are getting healthy when you first start to ask if YOU like them rather than hoping THEY like you.
But you are getting REALLY healthy when you are asking it of people who are not normally your type and not rejecting them flat out, early on, because they’re not. You’re getting REALLY healthy when you realize your “type” has not really worked out for you up until now and maybe you need to consider other types.
And you’re getting really, really healthy when you can go out with different people without a lot of expectations or thinking something is wrong with you if you hit a patch where you’re simply bored. Try to enjoy dating as much as you can. Take out the expectations. Throw the biological clock out the window. Throw out the expectations of society and family. Relax and try to have a good time. Remember, if you do what you’ve always done, you’ll get what you’ve always gotten. Expand those comfort zones and let new and better things take shape in your life.
What is your “type”?
July 8, 2009 by Susan J. Elliott






Great post, and something really relevant to my life right now. My “type” has definitely gotten me nowhere positive in the past and so I’ve decided that there will be no more handsome lost soul types for me. I am still attracted to them though, but I tell myself “no!” in the same way I would if I reached for a brownie sundae after midnight.
I feel like quite a few of these types have been popping up in my life of late (or coming back into my life) and it seems like some kind of universe test, one I am trying really hard to pass. I’m hoping that if I turn enough of these guys down, that a good one will turn up because I’ve earned it, or something.
I’ve also been learning quite a bit about myself from dating recently. Like on one date, I caught myself talking an awful lot about myself and possibly sounding even a touch arrogant (which I’m not at all — but I think I used to give so much of myself and spend so much time listening/caring that I tried to go the opposite route, which wasn’t wise). I made a note of that and found a better balance on the next date.
I find dating a really fascinating way to look into myself and evaluate my progress. Sometimes I’m amazed by how little I truly know. But hey, it serves as a good motivator.
Dark haired – clean cut – musicians. Talented, super smart, hilariously funny – I cant help it…they are my type. Unfortuantely my last two ex’s with these traits were also selfish, obsessed with their craft and pot smoking commitmentphobes. I dont necessarily think all dark haired musicians are flawed like this, but I am not going to take that chance. I’m staying away from musicians for the time being.
Dating now is interesting – being in observer mode is challenging because it’s so easy to want to do what I’ve always done, which is get absolutely lost in the romance. I’m a sucker for the heat and intensity of those first kisses and the romance of all the compliments and phone calls and emails. I have turned that passion into something more than it is. EVen as I’m kissing someone I can find myself thinking, no…he is not what I really am looking for, but again the intensity of that passion is hard to say no to. I get caught up in it and I have more than once in my lifetime, turned a blind eye to reality and made a relationship out of nothing. It’s never been worth it. So now trying out observer mode – listening and learning – staying away from too passionate kisses – jsut taking it slow. It’s not quite as exciting as my old dating habits, but hopefully the payoff in the end will be a great relationship.
Stay tuned :)
It’s funny but I think I’ve never really had a specific “type”. They were all pretty different from each other (there is variety in bananahead-land also, LOL!), both physically as well as re. their temperament. Though they will have some things in common.
I agree that being focused on a “type” limits your options and also that it is so key to ask yourself “do I like this person” rather than trying to make them like you. Becoming the chooser is my new mantra since a few months :-)
See, this makes me nervous and confused. If you’ve had a broken ‘chooser’, how are you supposed to know if someone you’re not attracted to you are rejecting for the right or wrong reasons?
I too don’t have a specific type in terms of looks, all my exes have looked completely different to each other. Though my last one was very good looking and is the physical ‘type’ I am most attracted to. But I am attracted to lots of other physical types.
But this last guy, who really liked me and I went out with briefly, was perhaps the one physical type I have never been attracted to and just do not find at all attractive. Because he was such a great guy and we got on sooo well I did give it every chance, but, God, was just so not there on a physical level.
That is okay, right? I’d prefer to be alone forever than be with someone I wasn’t properly physically attracted to just because they are a great person. Been there, done that, and it just leads to hurt on both sides.
Surely it isn’t too much to want both? – Again, I am NOT looking for male model (yuck) ‘type’, I am not looking for any specific ‘type’ of look, but it does matter to me that i personally find him attractive. You know?
Hey Beatrice,
of course that matters! No reason to be nervous, you did nothing wrong. I too have met a funny guy some years ago, we would make each other laugh and just “click” so well, but when we kissed, I just felt nothing! It felt so weird because I so much wanted this to “work” also. But it didnt (at least not for me, he was more interested), and so we did not take it any further. Actually I have had such an experience twice. On both occasions, the guys were really fun to be with and we could talk for hours and have fun. But the physical side just was not there.
To me, the physical is very important also. It’s a shame when that does not click with an otherwise “good guy”, but it is as it is. And there is no reason for you to second guess your decision. It has nothing to do with a “broken chooser”.
And of course looks (not a specific one maybe, but one that ATTRACTS us) matter. There is this joke of a woman who says “I hate to be reduced to my inner values” :-) So yes, the outer matters also, and actually women tend to choose their mates by “smell” also. Instincts play such an important role. And that includes the physical!!
As I now think about it, it was more than with two guys…maybe 3 or 4. All fun to be with but not re. the physical :-)
beatrice11 -
I think it’s absolutely ok to not be attracted physically to someone. But you tried you know? Now that’s something else you know about you – that there has to be some level of physical attraction or chemistry in addition to someone being emotionally healthy and whole. I think attraction – physical attraction to people is God given and it’s there for a reason. You cant fake or force that stuff.
I have a broken chooser as well and I think I wrote on another post of yours previously that I went through the same thing – dated someone who was initially seemed great on paper but I couldnt get past the attraction thing. He wasnt a bad looking guy but I didnt get the hots for him :) I sometimes wonder if he wasn’t a bananahead in sheeps clothing. Like maybe my attraction meter turned off for him because I sensed bananahead potential. I do know there were a couple of things about him that were red flags for me so maybe the attraction filter just switched off when those things started to sink in. Is it possibly the same for you? It’s been months since I talked with my guy – he just suddenly stopped communicating with me and I dont regret it at all – in fact looking back I still get this uncomfortable feeling about him and those red flags so I’m glad it happened.
Right now, I’m dating but I dont really feel attracted to many guys. I look all the time and I see guys and think ok he’s handsome or he’s hot etc etc but no one really is sparking any serious interest. I must be a place where I just need to not be involved for a while.
Pheonis Rising and GR,
Yes, I agree. That is what I feel too. I emphasise I do NOT want that heart-racing addiction-indicating crazy attraction feeling – I know that means any remaining dysfunction I have is attracted to theirs … But if all the important things are there – as emotionally stable as possible, good person, consistent, etc., I do still need to feel some level of physical attraction. I understand it may not be there immediately, and, in fact, if it is there straight away and is very strong I would even be a bit suspect now these days. But if it isn’t there at all after a couple of meetings/dates etc. then I have to walk away. I spent 7 years with someone I wasn’t attracted to before because he was the opposite – in character – to my former ex who was dysfucntional central. Yes, the new guy was a great guy, but i always felt about him more like he was a brother. I felt it in my heart the enture time and deliberately ignored it, thinking, no, i insist on going with this, look where ‘being attracted’ has got me in the past. But i ended up hurting him terribly by leaving him for my recent ex, with whom i feel head over heels in love, almost instantaneously. Never again.
Either I get a partner who is a good stable person AND to whom i am physically attracted, or I will be alone. If it’s the latter, that’s fine. At this point I would genuinely prefer it to being with either extreme, without the other part, ever again.
Makes perfect sense Beatrice :-) Do not worry too much about your latest choice, I think the physical thing is just there or it isn’t (ok, might be that it’s not on the first date, but it should not take ages to arrive LOL). I agree that “good/stable” AND “attractive” must be out there :-)
Ya, and if it’s not, screw it, we’ll be grand by ourselves.
Yep, sister! (you make me laugh) :-)
OMG! I soooo heart this post; I mean REALLY heart this post! I heart it so much that at the end, I threw my hands in the air and screamed, “SCORE!!!”
Susan, you spoke volumes here; so much so that the death could probably hear it. After being a serial monogamist and one who tolerated toxic relationships because that’s what I learned, I took almost 3yrs out from it all. I was single and celibate by CHOICE and it served me well. I learned so much about myself during that time and I grew; I healed; I put closure on my past and the issues; at the end, I came out a whole, super confident, elevated self-esteem, and completely and utterly in love with MYSELF.
I started dating late last July and I’ve ventured in and out of ‘types’ and it’s served me well; very well. Even without reading this post, which has certainly confirmed some of my own thoughts, I’m happy I’ve opened my eyes, ears, and self to living outside the box. I will not be a part of what society, friends, or family feel is what I should do. I do what works for ME and I’m damn happy and proud of that execution.
Susan, you have no idea how much your blog is inspiring me, encouraging me; and giving me references to things that I may have thought, but didn’t know someone else was thinking the very same thing. This is an awesome blog and I’m happy to have come across it.
negril -
I heart YOUR post :)
It is so awesome to read a success story like yours – I feel I’m on that same path – I’m just somewhere in the middle though – not coming out the otherside quite yet – still lots to learn. Have you posted before? Not sure who you are with some recent name changes on the blog but if you haven’t I’d love to hear what brought you here and what kinds of things you discovered about yourself during your journey.
Phoenix – Yes, I have posted before, but do not recall exactly which ones. I’ve been reading for some time, but it wasn’t until very recently that I became a member.
A dear friend and avid reader of this blog brought me here as were discussing her recent break-up and our respective growth processes.
I went to the root to find out how I got to be the person I was while seeking and being in relationships. I realized that my mother, father (his many girlfriends/wives), and stepfather were very much negative factors in how I viewed relationships and what I sought and ultimately got from them (relationships). I tended to seek emotionally unavailable men; men who needed to be ‘fixed’; or I stuck out relationships that weren’t working, but I still tried to make them be good.
As I said in my previous comment, I finally had enough and realized that I deserved and wanted more for myself and needed to work to get out of the journey; rather than just detour as it tended to lead me back to the same place. It wasn’t easy, but I’d had a relationship in the midst of my chaos that in many ways validated me as a person and taught me things that helped me value myself and not be the weed, but the flower. Ironically, the person who taught me that lesson is the one love/r that I’ve wanted in my life since then. We’re well-suited for each other, but his issues have kept us out of being in a committed relationship. After some time out of the friendship, we’re back in each others lives, better people and maybe now we can have the true relationship we deserve.
The journey is self-paced and needs a lot of patience and willingness to do things that weren’t a part of your previous life/style. Dating was completely new to me a year ago and now I feel like an old pro. I no longer carry the rule book I used to have and I allow myself to simply live and be. I hope your journey continues well and that you’ll find yourself exactly who and where you’re supposed to be.
Susan,
I also think that drop dead gorgeous AND emotionally stable do not have to exclude each other :-)
In my friends’ cases above they did exclude each other. To the nth degree. Train wrecks.
Maybe because they were so focused (limited) to a special “type”… makes a train wreck more likely. Especially if those “types” were “out of their league” as you say.
Very few people on the planet are either of these things, so finding someone (male or female) with both is a likely long shot.
Perhaps that guy will stroll into the office riding on a unicorn to seal the deal.
Now THAT is FUNNY. :)
Maybe our definitions are different. To me, neither “drop dead gorgeous” nor “emotionally stable” means perfect or flawless. And certainly not superman flying into the office :-)
Great entry and very even handed … men as well as women often get too set in their ideals and not what is real when it comes to identifying a partner. It is sort of soul-crushing to hear about people sticking with a ‘type’, esp. when that ‘type’ has hurt them in the past.
Maybe it is because they haven’t finished fixing the person that actually needs the work done … THEMSELVES, that they keep on doing what they do. Well, what do you tell them? What can you say that won’t make them feel guilty??
I’ve personally been attracted to many different physical types across a broad range of cultural, ethnic, educational, socioeconomic (etc) backgrounds. So did I have a type? I did. It came into focus when I did the relationship inventory. My type was about “issues” (active, unresolved issues that danced with mine). I could feel chemistry with all different kinds of men but I could not feel chemistry without the “issues” thing in play (his playing off mine and vice versa).
So I started dealing with the underlying issues IN ME that made me want and attract that type (that walking, talking, breathing set of issues). This work dramatically changed the rules of engagement.
I think it’s supremely important to:
1) KNOW (or get to know) ourselves well
2) LIKE ourselves, genuinely (because plenty of people in the world don’t or won’t, too bad for them and what they think of us is none of our business)
3) TRUST ourselves.
For my history of fear of abandonment and fear of intimacy I never once freaked out about getting involved with Michael (and marrying so quickly). I think it was a combination of there was nothing to be afraid of and I trusted myself to make a good decision. I was so used to the “OMIGOD HE’S GOING TO LEAVE ME” panic but it never once set in the 13 years with Michael. Not once. I think it’s a bit him but a lot of me. Not only did I trust myself to weather the storm if he did but I also trusted my choice.
See this part is interesting to me, I’ve posted a couple times about my first post-bananahead date, and how the guy would only text me. Well he did finally call after about a week and a half and ask me out on a second date which was two days ago. Again the most amazing date and he literally fit every single thing on my “list” which is very against my typical type. For instance I’ve always seem to date guys that were pot heads, this guy has NEVER once smoked pot. He opens every door for me, is just beyond a gentleman and I’m very attracted to him, the kissing so far has been phenomenal! He’s not pushy about moving too fast in that department either. I’ve been really observant but so far impressed. The problem is he walked me to my door, kissed me good night, and said he had a great time, but didn’t say I want to see you again, or anything. He also hasn’t called, so I feel like I’m on the crazy train, that whole panic thing you are talking about, and it’s only been 2 dates. I have a full life, my weekend is jam packed already, but I still just need that reassurance, that he is as into me as I’m into him, that he wants to go out again. I just want to skip over this whole dating thing and go straight to relationship, but I know that’s what’s gotten me to where I am today which is not good. But now I’m wondering, is this just my issues being triggered, or is this my intuition feeling he’s not that into me, or even though he seems right on paper do I just need a guy that calls more. Should I just have that fearless feeling that you got with Michael?
Yes, this is my type: someone with my ” issues”. I do this with men and women, lovers and friends.
I used to say I was looking for someone with whom I could have “deep, meaningful talks and who would laugh at MY jokes.” ( I must be honest that I’ve been chasing this dream of finding someone who will see how funny I feel I am, rather than having to be the one always laughing at HIS humor.)
Instead of the above, I’ve gotten people for whom I’ve played therapist. I say “play,” because it really feels like some role I assume, almost immediately. It’s as if I can’t even talk to the person without doing some kind of psychotherapy-babble. The sad thing is I’m really good at it: I mean being someone’s therapist. And, there are a lot of people out there who want to be listened to with insight. I’m not knocking that…I just don’t want to be the therapist.
I really DO NOT want this type of relationship or friendship anymore. I really do not… but this past year I see how ingrained it is IN ME. It’s really uncomfortable.
Honestly, I wonder if it’s possible for me to be friends with anyone…this therapist caca is such a knee-jerk response.
Michael was not my “type.” I was not only not physically attracted to Michael but I had refused to date Italians for most of my singlehood (he was only the second) or anyone who had kids or was in some sort of legal issue with an ex.
I was just in observation mode and found him amusing. Not hilarious as I thought I had wanted, but amusing.
By the end of the second date I was gob-smacked but not to the point that I was throwing everything overboard for this guy but to the point that I was surprised that he was so much of what I thought I didn’t want in my life (he was engaged in a legal battle with an ex, was a slob, etc etc).
I’ve written on here that I used to suffer from night terrors and whenever I would wake up most of my exes would be a bit rude and say well you can’t just wake someone up in the middle of the night and expect them to be wonderful.
But the first few times I did it with Michael he was up like a shot and stayed with me until I went to sleep. From that time until he got sick I could wake up at any time of the night and he would be there, but knowing that, I didn’t have to wake up anymore.
He never once acted impatient or intolerant when I did that. I didn’t even know I wanted that because I had no idea it existed (all of my exes, to a person, would be grumpy when awakened in the night).
And to have such a gift in my life (and so much more) would not have been possible had I dismissed him as “not my type” off the bat.
Susan,
When you say you weren’t physically attracted to him on the first date and then were gobsmacked by date 2, can you elaborate on that? Do you mean you thought he was okay and then found him adorable as you got to know him better? I tend to put too much emphasis on whether I’m attracted immediately, so I’d be curious how it played out for you.
yes, me too.
I wrote about it on Rope Burns. But here is a shorter rendition.
I met Michael and didn’t think too much about him. We had both been upfront and honest in our first few conversations. I LIKED that he did not blame all of his relationship failures on his ex’s. He told me his first wife was “an angel” and he was too immature to appreciate it. That was “nice” but I was in observation mode. We had burned up the phone lines before our first date. On our first date he picked me up at my job for lunch and I simply wasn’t feeling very attracted to him. Not not attracted but not attracted either. He was an amusing fellow is how I would describe him if asked to describe him. He was Italian (strike one), was in a custody battle with an ex (strike two) had two kids (strike three), was a slob (strike four), had ADHD (strike five) but I was just observing. Not thinking yes or no…just trying to see what was up.
By our second date I felt like I knew a lot about him. I thought he was sweet, funny, thoughtful. I didn’t know, yet, if he was a keeper because I wasn’t looking for a keeper and I knew he wasn’t looking for one either. But rarely had a guy gotten to a second date in those days and I thought I would just go out to have something to do for the evening. It was getting to be summer and I was kinda bored. I had low or no expectations.
We went to dinner out where I lived because I was NOT traveling to a guy at this point. But of course I didn’t want to take him home after a second date and there wasn’t a lot to do where I lived.
So we drove around in the rural parts of central Massachusetts where I lived. He lived close to Boston and wasn’t used to the winding, dark roads.
We had gone to dinner and were driving around talking. We were in his big Chevy pickup (he towed a big bass boat on the weekends so he always had a big truck). We were driving around through the forests and talking. It was fun but everything was very dark out and I was nervous because I knew he didn’t normally drive on these kinds of roads.
Suddenly this raccoon darted in front of the truck. Michael swerved slightly and then looked in his rear view mirror. He said “I’m pretty sure I missed him. I probably grazed the top of his head.”
I knew that there was no way, looking in that rear view mirror, that he could see anything but pitch black. The whole “I probably grazed the top of his head” made me laugh out loud. The concern for the raccoon, and his concern for me thinking he didn’t just kill it, and I was gob-smacked. And part of me knew it was all okay. It was fine to fall like this for someone. Not only did I trust my own instincts, but I felt that he was a good guy…and he was.
Michael never changed from the sweet, sweet man who was so concerned about the raccoon and trying to impress upon his date that he did not just murder a woodland creature. He never stopped being the person he was on our second date. He has an innate, never-changing sweetness.
I’ve never posted much about our physical relationship because of the public nature of this forum but I can say that despite the lack of initial physical attraction, it was never anything short of spectacular. The words “best I’ve ever had” doesn’t even come close to describing it. There’s not even a distant second.
And that’s all I’ll say about that. :)
But the attraction definitely started in seeing something in his personality that I really wanted in my life. And my instinct about it was spot on.
There were ten years between the MoAB and Michael. And I kissed a lot of freaking frogs along the way. Most of them very good looking frogs.
But I guess it takes what it takes.
“The words “best I’ve ever had” doesn’t even come close to describing it. There’s not even a distant second.”
High-five, Susan! ;)
Thanks for clarifying. That’s grand, I understand now and that’s very different, and certainly something to aspire to!
“The words “best I’ve ever had” doesn’t even come close to describing it. There’s not even a distant second.”
That is so terrific Susan… good for you. LOL…
I am just wondering, why didn’t you want to date Italians? I am Italian and all of my ex’s had at least some in them. My father is Italian and adores my mom they have been married 40 years, so he was a good model for me. Anyway just curious.
The MoAB was Italian and I had been drawn to a lot of Italians. And it never worked out. I dated an Italian guy early in my separation from the MoAB and he was like the others so I swore them off. Wouldn’t even consider it for years.
What broke it was meeting a man from Italy the year before I met Michael and having sort of a relationship with him. I tell the story of him in seminars sometimes and people always laugh because it’s really funny as was he.
The relationship was total puff and fun but I also got to go to Italy (had never been) and it paved the way for me to soften my stance on Italians…which led to Michael who is 100 percent Italian.
In fact me and the Italian guy were on again/off again just due to distance. He would see me when he came here and would sometimes call out of the blue and say “Cara, come to Italy this weekend…I have left you a teeket at the airport…” and we’d have a great time but then I wouldn’t see him for months…and we would sometimes drop a letter or postcard….
When I met Michael I told him I wanted to write to the guy (who always told me: Italians are your destiny!) and say goodbye in a formal, decent way. At first Michael was not happy but I said look, if it wasn’t for this guy I would NOT have gone out with you. So he relented. :)
Ahh… makes perfect sense.
There are certain things I have sworn of because of my MoAB’s. Not the Italian thing but other stuff.
I am so glad you found your right Italian.. when they are good, they are definitely keepers….
Thanks for responding.
I have sworn off depressos. Someone can be the nicest person on the planet, but if he is clinically depressed, I’m out. I know it may not be fair but any kind of mental illness is a dealbreaker for me after my ex.
However, I won’t swear off green-eyed guys or sports fans after him.
No more introverted, anti-social, opinionated, controlling FAT Boys for me…I’ll take an Italian or nice Jewish instead. :-)
Excellent Post Susan!!!!
I used to be so shallow in my much younger years, never discriminated race, creed or color (My parents used to tease me about bringing the UNITED NATIONS home) but the guy had to be FINE!!!! Model FINE because I was told that was what I should want and deserved. I believed the hype and attracted a bunch of self-centered mirror hounds that did not have a pea for a brain. Dated models, actors, athletes…. So NOT my TYPE!!!
As I grew older and being the true Gemini that I am I found myself attracted to more intellectual men, I became intrigued with articulate and creative men…dated an artist, a musician, a doctor and a lawyer. Learned a lot and went to great places but they were not completely my Type either…So I decided I had not real type and began dating very diverse men from all types of backgrounds, the FedEx guy, Fireman, Correction Officer and a Comedian I adored but found he was cheating on me.
I no longer have a type because it I really did the last bananahead would have never gotten a second look due to his excessive weight but I looked past that and wanted to get to know the inner person which is what I do now when I date any guy. I watch and observe their interactions with others, especially in public and with their family it speaks volumes. My best friends has always held me to the 3 month rule which is normally the time someone will begin to show there TRUE colors and most times it is point on…Bananaheadness can’t hide for long…They can’t bite their tongues, hide their need to be controlling and opinionated. Most of all by that time you will know about the relationships they have with others and if they are unhealthy the more than likely this is a sign that you may be dating a bananahead….RUN for your life FORREST…there is nothing to see HERE!!!lol
With all this said, I am open to new experiences and to meet new people, not afraid at all but once I see signs that he may be a Bananahead, I AM OUT!!!! No need to second guess anything…PUFF BE GONE!!!!
LOL Hugs,
CoCoa45
LOL Cocoa!! Same joke running in my family! Mom also teased me with bringing the “United Nations” home :-) On the other hand, it served my language skills (English, Italian…LOL). I can relate to the openness re. new experiences, I think that “type” is a very confining thing. Only characteristic to be excluded is bananahead :-)
I was also a United Nations dater. :)
Nothing wrong with being an equal opportunity dater…Gives you lots of options!!! I like that about ME!!!
:-)
LOL :-)
CoCoa45,
I like the three month rule, that makes so much sense to use that time to observe! Before GPYP, I used to jump in, hook line and sinker around 1 month (as soon as it became physical) and no matter what I’d stay in REGARDLESS of the crap.
Now, I take a way, way longer time to evaluate. So far, since the ‘ex, I haven’t dated anyone longer than 3 dates and a lot of one-date wonders. But once I meet someone that’s a better match, I’m going to use your 3 month rule!
The book “He’s Scared, She’s Scared” also talks a lot of evaluating the other person for a very long time and not committing too soon.
Thanks.
I definitely have a physical type. I like pretty boys always have. And they must be lean. I am not attracted to overweight at all. They don’t have to have a six pack but they must be more on the lean side. And I love light eyes, probably because mine are dark.
I have had 3 loves in my life. My first boyfriend
(my age:15-25) resembled a young Mel Gibson he was sweet, adoring and treated me very good.. I just fell out of love because I was young he was my first and I wanted to experience more in life. I wasn’t ready to settle down and live the rest of my life married with kids so we split. We still catch up every so often, He is now happily married and I am happy for him.
Second was one of my best friends before we got together since I was 18 then we started a romantic relationship
(my age:26-about 32) he looked like a young Pierce Brosnan I mean really. He was fun, free spirited, smart as a whip, committed, one of the funniest people I know. and he treated me great. There wasn’t much passion we were always better friends, so we split and we still are great friends. I talk to him almost everyday.
The last ….the ex who brought me here.. (my age: 33-almost 40). He resembles Mathew Mccaughney same body type also. He started out very sweet and loving, he was a guys guy, knew how to fix things, fished, outdoors kind of man. He was very affectionate and alot of passion between us, I mean alot. But he had a very abusive dark side that I have never experienced before and it scared the hell out of me.
The 3 of them couldn’t be anymore different in personalities and life experiences. None of the things they each liked to do where the same, I mean nothing about who they are inside is the same. The only similar qualities is that they were all handsome or pretty. But they didn’t resemble eachother.
So I think I do have a certain type in my chooser as far as looks go but my first 2 relationships were terrific and I have fond memories that I cherish. I think my maturity level and timing was off.
But the last ex whoaaaa!!! I don’t know where that came from. I was really snowed. The first 3 years were great overall between us, but he turned and the real him came out.
So I am still trying to figure out in me…. water seeks its own level. Especially with the bananahead ex. I see where I lose myself in relationships and I did it with all 3, but like I said the 1st 2 treated me great so I never noticed it until now.
In between there were a few others who were all cute and sweet, but I wasn’t in love so things just faded. With no issues.
If I could combine the best of all 3.. inside and outside (yes bananahead had some great qualities,) Then that would be perfect, in the next relationship…lol…
Sorry this is so long and I don’t mean to imply they all have to look like movie stars cause they don’t I just wanted to give a visual to everyone reading so you guys had an idea. They just each had that look.
I don’t want everyone to think I am soo shallow that he has to be drop dead gorgeous because they weren’t.. just very cute. Plus it helps me tremendously to see what I wrote. It gives me clarity.
Mphotogirl,
I’m guilty of the same. Not that my exes/crushes have been supermodels by any stretch but they all have kind of a lean, tall, cute thing going. There’s even a picture of me at 5 years old in camp, and I’m holding hands with the prettiest boy there. I came out of the womb liking cutie pies.
I keep trying not to but alas. Now what I am doing is turning down dates with guys I am attracted to if they’re not good for me, but I’m still attracted to them and not attracted to some guys I meet who would be a better fit.
I don’t have an exact “type” per se but the guys of my past are all good looking in (mostly) non-intimidating ways. I don’t go for models or hunks or beefcakes. I like a cute face and a leanish/medium body.
I do think it’s possible to find a guy who fits this mold and isn’t a lost soul loser, or to be attracted to a guy who isn’t exactly that. I am certainly open to it. We’ll see.
“I do think it’s possible to find a guy who fits this mold and isn’t a lost soul loser.”
Exactly movingon… I so agree. Maybe we can’t get 100 percent of everything we want, but I don’t see why we can’t get 95.
There are always going to be likes and dislikes and no one is perfect.. but I will never settle again nor will I ever let anyone treat me the way I allowed the bananahead to. No matter what he looks like.
I agree. As Susan says, balance balance balance :-)
Not settling for less than you deserve, but remaining open-minded and trusting also.
Mphotogirl,
One thing I notice based on your dating history is that you tend to get VERY serious about someone a year after a major breakup — your last two relationships listed are a year or less after a long-term breakup and go on for a while. That may be a pattern worth observing/breaking.
Perhaps you should try to be single for longer, and just date, to explore yourself and what you want, rather than relationship hopping. I find it’s difficult to really break patterns unless I spend a LOT of “me” time without letting someone else become the focus of my life. Only then do I tend to make better choices.
Hey Movingon..
I am definitely a relationship kinda girl. I have never been a big just dater. The last ex and I have broken up 3 times in 3 years so in these last three years if you add up all the time apart it was about 2 years now. We got back together for 6 months after a year and a half and now it is been 7 months. But I am aware of that and I think the last taking him back set me back a bit.
Thank you though because I see exactly what you mean. And my radar is definitely up.
No problem. I think the clock kind of resets after the last breakup — and 7 months isn’t long at all. I was not remotely in a good place at that time though I was going through the motions. How are you feeling?
Re: breaking up and getting back together, I broke up with my ex a few months in and then got back together with him a few months later, thinking I made a huge mistake, and then it lasted for years after that. In retrospect, the huge mistake was going back to him in the first place.
The right guys for us are not people we will break up with at any point. I believe that; I think it’s a huge red flag.
when we were broken up the 2nd time it was for 1 and 1/2 years. we got divorced during that time… and yes I went back to my ex husband…OMG!!
Anyway I did alot of work on myself during that time. I really wish I had found Susan’s blog back then. I was a basket case, I was devastated. It was horrible.
But obviously I didn’t do enough work… because alas I went back for round 3… thinking he changed… Nope!!! I was the dumb ass.
So this last time wasn’t really a shock to me, or nearly as heartbreaking. But it did set me back some.
And your are soo right …. the right guy wont break up at any point….
The first bf I ever had was in 1st grade. His name was Joe. We were “together” (hee hee) for 3 years. Until I met my hubby, it was probably the most functional, healthy relationship I ever had. You think I’m kidding? I am not. :) Anyway, he was adorable. We were the best readers in our class. We were on the same kickball team at recess every day. We got together at each other’s houses sometimes on the weekends. I remember going to his house in 3rd grade and hanging out in his room. We kissed–a very innocent, I love you, you are my best friend, and you are cute kind of peck on the lips. We moved that summer after 3rd grade. He and I wrote to each other for awhile after that. In 7th grade I went back to that city to stay with another (female) friend for a week and one day at the swimming pool I ran into Joe. We hung out and it was awkward but fun. I have pictures of that day, of me and all my old friends and my old buddy Joe. He was still very cute and that mattered to me a lot more in 7th grade. ;)
I never dated anyone of that physical type again, but when I was a freshman in h.s. I had a HUGE crush on a freshman in college (I worked for his parents at an ice cream place) who is the type I imagine Joe would have been at that age. I really believed I loved that college boy and he was kind and a good friend who let me down gently. When he (Brad) moved away, he bought me a stuffed animal and told me to look him up when I was a woman old enough to date him. ;)
Then one night while I was dating my now hubby, he pulled out some old foto albums and when I saw him as a young boy…3rd grade…7th grade…19 years old…I felt something like recognition. He really looked A LOT like my first bf did at that age. And so kind of like the older boy I had a crush on at 14 (and my hubby is about that much older than me, too…3.5 years).
So after I dated all of the dysfunctional members (and married one) of the United Nations that I could find, I came back around to a combination of a cute, sweet, friend like Joe and a kind, mature, respectful hunk like Brad all wrapped up into one. Of course, I don’t confuse him with them literally and his looks alone would never have done it for me, but I did think my now hubby was adorable on our first date and liked (then loved) who he is inside and then saw his old photographs and thought “how appropriate”. Probably just a fluke, but it certainly didn’t hurt his chances with me. :)
Kathy,
Aw that’s such a cute story! I love it.
I also relate as my camp boyfriend is easily the best relationship of my life lol yeesh. But not forever!
You said you were attracted on the first date to your husband. Does that mean he was in line with what you thought you wanted beforehand? I know he’s obviously way better than your bananahead exes, but he’s who you would have pictured yourself with on some level?
Do you mean what I thought I wanted in personality or physical type?
Both. I think you had said he had some different interests than you (NASCAR, maybe? Something like that) but in the core, important ways, on both levels, was it in line?
When I said that, I meant that on our actual first date I was physically attracted to him, which surprised me. I already knew he was tall and handsome (and I was never known to dislike tall and handsome ;)) , but I still wasn’t caring much. I wasn’t invested or swayed by his looks, but when I sat across from him at the table in the restaurant I couldn’t eat. I actually thought it might be a red flag since that kind of “chemistry” can be a sign of dysfunction junction. But we had talked a lot (email/phone calls for about 3 weeks) before I conceded to an actual date. I asked him a lot of questions that would tell me where he stood on the important, non-negotiable stuff (personal values, social issues, life lessons learned). He didn’t flinch. He answered everything. His answers impressed me. His patience impressed me but so did his confidence: he never stopped letting me know that he wanted to take me out, even when he wasn’t sure if I was going to say yes. I wasn’t playing with him; I genuinely wasn’t sure. He says he sensed that I was being real and he liked that I had high standards. So I would say the chemistry we had on that first date was about everything, but mostly the non-physical stuff because it’s what I most cared about and I was really sure about that, really confident and clear about my standards and what was non-negotiable, what traits I most needed, etc. (I’m serious–I had HAD it with dysfunction junction and with my own low self esteem in relationships). If the non-physical stuff hadn’t been there he would not have gotten that date because I genuinely didn’t even care that much about dating at all, so def wasn’t dating anyone who didn’t impress me as a person. And it was that way for him, too.
Now that is cool. It’s what I mean when I say “attractive” and “stable/good” can be combined :-)
That’s wonderful, Kathy! That gives me hope.
The most striking thing about my dating history is that every guy I’ve dated, barring my first boyfriend in high school, has been a manipulative narcissist. When I started doing my work, as well as figuring out WHY I got involved with manipulative narcissists and got locked in crazy-making relationships, I tried to look at what they all had in common at the start, before I knew what they really were, so I could spot them next time. I guess the things they had in common add up to ‘my type’.
The most striking thing is that they all drove me nuts with teasing and bait-and-switching. For various messed up reasons I thought I wanted that: I confused riling me up with affection and confused quibbling over everything with intellectual debate. Hello, my parents’ dysfunctional relationship . . .
I also went consistently for guys who gave the outward appearance of being intellectual and interested in many of the same things I loved. This, without fail, wound up meaning that they were obsessed, either with themselves or with some particular topic, and deluded (in one case, to the point of actually being mentally ill, I believe) about their own abilities and importance. Like the one who had done six months of a physics degree before dropping out because it was too hard, but had been reading about physics for four years, and thus believed he was close to inventing personal protective forcefields out of wood. I am not making this up! He was the worst, but there were two others who were sickeningly self-obsessed, and they all showed signs of being utterly oblivious to the real world and any opinions that might shatter their belief in their supremacy. I usually went into these relationships feeling humbled that these wonderful, self-confident, intelligent guys wanted little old me. And it all collapsed because actually THEY thought that too, and heaven forbid I should suggest that they were anything less than gods. Couldn’t be having that.
I’ve been with my current boyfriend for nearly four months now. When we first started talking to each other it was clear that there was a spark right away, but I hung back, not because he was showing any of the warning signs I’d learned to look for, but because he was so utterly not ‘my type’ that I was concerned I might be going too far the other way! After careful consideration and a long getting-to-know-you process I came to the conclusion that he’s just the right balance :)
So there IS the capability of a healthy relationship after many narcissists! I often wonder if I will ever get to that point where I can reflect and it not totally overwhelm me.
I am attracted to those manipulators, also. This last one about put me on my death bed, which brought me here.
Thanks for sharing and best of luck with your relationship.
B.
Looking back on my previous relationships i can see a pattern in there with whom I attract and such. Every girl I have been with has been younger than I am, now at a maximum of 5 years. They have all been somewhat confused with what they want in their lives when I meet them and most in a relationship they haven’t told me about or just ended one and because I move to quickly I ted to be in the relationship already when I finally find that out.
I’m trying to take things much slower this time and have avoided a couple poor choices already though they are fantastic people, not ones who would go well with me mostly for that fact above.
I wouldn’t say that I have a type either. I’m usually just attracted to whoever I’m attracted to. There’s no rhyme or reason to it. My high school boyfriend was a laid-back surfer who didn’t care what anyone thought of him. My most recent ex was an insecure narcissistic meathead. They had absolutely nothing in common except for the fact that I found them attractive. But since my most recent ex I have found myself being drawn to the hunky muscle guys. I was actually talking to one recently but the red flags went up when he started feeding me many of the same lines that my ex did. “I know how to treat a girl right.” “I always get what I want. That’s why I’m successful.” Gag me! These are lines that I would have clung to in the past but I’m in tune to the BS more than ever now. I hope…
The “type” I’ve gone for again and again can be described in one word: unavailable. If a man was noncommittal, ambivalent, uninterested, or just living in another city 500 miles away, that’s what hooked me in. They were all in some way like my critical, inconsistent mother or my needy but emotionally detached father or some combination of both.
I got so focused on my efforts to win them over that I never asked whether I would actually want them if I won them. I ignored red flags, not because I thought they would go away, but because I thought they were beside the point. The point was to convince someone that I was worth loving. So I ended up with men who cheated on me, men who only wanted to see me once a week, men who introduced me as “my friend” even though we’d been dating for well over a year, men who forgot my birthday… and I hung in with them because I thought it was my job to get them to want me. One man told me on our third date that he didn’t believe in love, and I dated him anyway, for almost 5 years, because I figured that actions spoke louder than words and since he kept showing up, he must love me. Hellooooo?!?
The last one, the one who brought me in here (but who wasn’t my worst break-up, just my most recent), broke the pattern in some ways. He was totally enthusiastic about me from day one. Talked to me every day. Made dates in advance to make sure we had time for each other. Gave me silly little presents, sent me a postcard when he traveled, told me how lucky he felt to have me in his life. He was the first man in almost 20 years to tell me he loved me, and I did a LOT of dating in those 20 years. But in other ways, he was still that same old unavailable type: going through a divorce, unwilling to be exclusive. But this time I didn’t hang in there. I told him that while I understood completely that he needed to spread his wings for a while after being coupled since he was 21, I wasn’t going to wait around hoping I’d be the one he’d choose when he was done. I gave him a few months to choose me or not, and when he was still not ready for monogamy, I cut him loose. It was the hardest thing I’ve ever done, because he DID give me so much of what I’d been craving and never getting. But I deserve 100%, not 50% or 75% or even 90%. I deserve the whole package.
I am hoping that being strong enough to walk away from him means I’ve finally broken that old pattern of being attracted to unavailable men. I don’t want that to be my type any more.
SUSAN .. I swear you are a part of my life – your blogs always feel as if they are directed at me and often deal with the current issue I am having. I am dating this guy who is in many ways not my “type” at all. He is very shy, socially awkward, but has the best heart. One thing I really related to in this post was the physical connection. I will not ask you to elaborate more then you due to your privacy but I wanted to ask you your opinion on my situation. This guy was very shy in school, had very bad acne, and concentrated literally all his time on sports. I am literally only the 2nd girl he’s ever KISSED and he is 28 years old (obviously meaning that he is also a Virgin). I am actually a little intimidated by this. Because of his inexperience our encounters are often awkward and while I am not ready for a physical relationship yet, I am not physically attracted to him because of the awkwardness. There are some times that I look at him (primarily when he is playing ball and is in uniform) and I am very into him, but others where I just can’t imagine it. Now, I have to also clarify that I am disgusted by the thought of any man touching me – not just him. I am still dealing with issues from the last sexual encounter that I had with my ex which was horrible – I didn’t say NO, since I thought maybe it meant or would mean he would love me again but it was seriously traumatic. I used to be very comfortable with my sexuality and now I am not at all :( Anyway, because of my issues and his awkwardness our encounters are just very strange and I dont know if I can get past it. I have been observing and taking it really slow and really giving it an opportunity but at the end of the night/date it’s always filled with anxiety and tension :(
I dont know what my exact question is :( I am just amazed that this post is up today and I literally have been wracking my brain all week about this issue!
(was HOPE)
Hope,
First, congrats on getting out there and dating again. :-)
Is it possible that you are dating someone who mirrors your needs and availability right now? Maybe his hesitant (?), awkward (non-aggressive is maybe the word) approach mirrors your lack of interest at this time in your life?
ooops .. I thought I had hit reply :(
HI Kathy!!!!
I am really trying. We have been friends for quite some time and if I didn’t trust him already I probably wouldn’t have even entertained the thought of seeing him. I realized yesterday that while I thought I loved my independence because it was growth, I also seem to prefer being alone because that means I am not vulnerable to be hurt and am in control. Obviously something else I need to work on (man does it ever stop haha).
I actually didn’t even think about that possibility. That’s probably why I feel so bad because I am not really being fair. I am not ready for a physical relationship yet am counting his inexperience as a strike against him. It’s just awkward :( That physical attraction could be there if he was more confident in himself but he has led an EXTREMELY sheltered life and hasn’t really developed his sense of self fully.
I dont know why but I feel as though I need to have the answer right now. He knows how I feel and I have been 100% honest with him so his choice to stick around is just that – his choice. But I still just feel so damaged sometimes and guilty that he is along for the ride. Again I guess feeling guilty for something that isn’t mine to own. My ex was so good (as a Narcissist) at pretending to be perfect that now I have a difficult time knowing how to handle certain flaws. The 4th will be a difficult time for a while and it snuck up on me. I have been recycling like crazy this past week :(
When I say I have been honest with him, I mean regarding where I am at in terms of a relationship not his inexperience. I dont really think there is an easy/right/non hurtful way to discuss such a topic.
Hope,
I don’t think it’s about blaming you or him. You are both where you are because that’s where you are. And that’s o.k. I was just thinking that maybe you were attracted to each other because you would be pretty safe for each other. For different reasons, neither of you is willing to push for a certain kind of relationship (if any) right now.
You say he knows where you stand and it’s his choice to stick around, but that sounds like your stand is not such a “stand”. It seems negotiable. Like, I don’t want a relationship with you but if you stick around anyway I guess we’ll have one. Kind of makes him responsible for the outcome, no? You are either in or you’re out. If you’re kind of in and only because he’s sticking around, then you’re playing a bit of a game–with him, yes, but more importantly with yourself. Try to know when you’ve given yourself enough time to be confused and then take a position regardless of what he does or doesn’t do. You know the susanism that applies here, right? If you don’t like what’s going on, you have 3 options: Accept it, change it or leave. Which one feels intuitively right?
I guess that is what I have trouble with. If I’m observing and taking things slow then do I have to make a decision right now? I only ask because that is where all my pressure I place on myself comes from. I always jumped into relationships and got to know the person as it progressed … this time I wanted to get to know him and decide about a relationship. We work together (in different dep) and have the same group of friends, so I feel a bit scared if things dont work out. I just automatically think he is going to hate me because I’ve never had a relationship end in a healthy way. I am really trying so hard to not slip back to my former self. Perhaps I am just pushing myself too hard and too far :( Really just recycling a lot this week and am 100% stuck in my own head :( There are so many good things about him … but if the timing isn’t right …. what if I make a mistake and let him go? I’ve never been the person who judged the other before so this is all really new to me. I always just tried to get someone to love me using any method available to me … and now I’m just completely unsure and scared and confused.
Maybe all of your doubt is itself the answer? I don’t think you have to rush into any decision. But I think you could use this time to work on trusting yourself (how to trust yourself more) and try to get in touch with your intuition. Try to find out what emotions are under that fear. Maybe you’ll find your clarity and your strength if you go there.
I def have a “type” but I think I am attracted to many different guys. I like someone who is very confident, but not cocky…I want someone intelligent, but doesn’t have the attitude like my ex did that he is smarter than everyone else in this world (or makes me feel stupid if I don’t know who someone is, or what something is or what something means). I want someone who is compassionate and humble. Someone who isn’t a pushover, but isn’t a jerk either. I want someone with a great personality. Someone who can always make me laugh. I think this is HUGE! I will always only be attracted to very tall guys. I know, i know, I am sorry – I can’t help it! I am very attracted to artistic guys, but I am open to dating anyone as long as he is a good person, and the chemistry is there! I could go on and on about “my type” but it doesn’t mean I am not open to meeting different people.
I don’t really have a type. I have dated very different types. I have a friend who says if they aren’t at least cute she won’t date them. And she prefers handsome. But then she wonders why she can’t find a guy who she can have a great long term relationship with. All they have wanted from her was sex. She could never understand why (when I was online dating) I would talk to guys who “weren’t cute” in her opinion. I tell her that when I like them a lot (or love them) to me they become “cute”. For me the physical attraction almost always comes after they engage my intellect and my sense of humor.
I tend to distrust guys who I find handsome right off the bat. And I know that I have my own issues with my own looks. Even though some guys have told me that I’m pretty I just never see it when I look in the mirror. Probably started from my abusive stepfather. Who constantly told me (when I was at that gawky, acne-ridden, flat chested stage in my early teens), that it was too bad that I hadn’t inherited my mother’s good looks. He even outright told me that I was ugly at times. Yet he had no problems coming into my bedroom at night and touching me against my will (for years). I’m sure it created some crazy mixed messages in my head.
Anyway…where I tend to be kind of a “snob” is that they have to be able to keep up with my wit and my conversations. I tend to leave some guys in the dust when trying to talk to them. If they can’t converse properly or have no sense of humor then we stall on the ground.
Anyway…that’s my two cents.
Ugh, I’m so sorry about your stepdad :( Nobody should EVER have to experience that kind of abuse. My heart goes out to you.
moving on
Thank you. It was a hellish period in my life and I have had counseling to deal with the abuse itself. But the negative self image that he drilled into me is what I can’t seem to overcome. And I don’t know how. If a guy tells me that I’m pretty or gives me a compliment on my eyes or hair or something I’m always tempted to look behind me to see if he’s talking to someone else. I just don’t know how to see myself differently. I have certainly never been a head turner but I don’t think that I’m a troll either LOL.
Just wish I could be more confident and have more self worth. On a positive note I’m waiting for Susan’s book to arrive from Amazon along with Co-dependent no more, Women who love too much, and From Abandonment to Healing. Hopefully these will put me on the right path.
Thank you for your kind words.
angelwithouthalo,
Have you tried going back in time emotionally to your younger self and talking to her, to tell her that you (adult, grown up you) are in charge now and that the adults in her life back then lied to her and were wrong and that you are going to take care of her now? Then you tell her the truth: that she is beautiful inside and out and give her concrete reasons why this is true. Help her see all the wonderful things about her that the damaged adults in her life wouldn’t let her enjoy and appreciate back then.
I don’t care how hokey this sounds–it absolutely helped me change some of my earlier imprinting and the negative tapes in my head. If you go to the links at right, you will see GPYP reader blogs. Follow the Finding Serenity link. Serenity has posted a great summary of a technique by Susan Anderson called Separation Theory. It’s on her post called How to Deal with Abandonment Wounds.
Take good care,
Kathy
Thank you Kathy. I will definitely check this out. After all that I have learned from being here nothing sounds hokey. My counselor told me something about this but she didn’t really tell me how to do it. Thanks so much!
You are very welcome. You deserved a better childhood and you deserve to reclaim it. And you CAN reclaim it. best to you,
K
I have a practical question. Where are you all meeting all these people to date? I don’t want to date anyone at the office since I love my job and want to keep it as a clean, safe place.
Outside of work, I haven’t met anyone who has asked me out.
As my friend’s mom always tells her: “You won’t meet anyone sitting on your living room couch!”
You gotta put yourself out there. Go to social events, parties. Join Meetup and try out activities that interest you. Go out with friends when they’re hanging with friends you don’t know. If it’s your thing, go to church/temple, etc, there’s lots of ways to meet people there. Volunteer.
Online dating is definitely not for me but it works for some, so that’s another option.
I’m trying to live by the motto that you always seem to meet someone when you least expect it…when you’re not looking. I just try to stay busy and meet new people. It helps keep my mind off my ex and it’s a lot of fun. You never know who you might meet! ;)
Weirdly, I have met a few possible dates over the last year in the steam room at my local swimming pool.
Didn’t do anything about it as was with my ex but I used to go and chill out there on the weekend after having a swim. And met people there regularly so got to know them.
So it’s probably re-iterating what movingon says… doing different things outside of what you normally do, different activities. I don’t like in my late 30s and find bars/gigs don’t do it for me as everyone seems bit younger. If I did start dating again am going to try lots more random events, I do martial arts classes but most of ‘em 10 years younger, but you never know.
Old type: attractive, funny, charming, popular, quirky and not too much older than me. And the less than attractive characteristics of my old type that I learnt through doing the GPYP inventories were: alcohol addictions, low morals, dependecy on their mothers, immature men, and not emotionally available.
In the last year I’ve dated lots of guys who weren’t my type just to break the pattern. With the majority of them, we didn’t date a second time but it was still really nice to meet these men and just open up my world a little more. I’ve dated some totally different types: older, some more established then me, blue-collar (used to only date white-collar), not attractive, and some divorced. It’s been a really fun process and I would recommend dating outside your type just to widen your horizions!
Just wanted to add that with the GPYP inventory I also discovered in all my past relationships, MY role was as the mentor or the… parent?… in the relationship. Sometimes it was an age/life experience thing, or maybe career wise. But I found out that this dynamic dosn’t really work for me and my need to play the mentor role is maybe something to do with co-depency. I’m working on it….
I’ve often been sucked in by depressos. Ooooh, you’re SAD? How INTERESTING! Let’s talk about that! For that matter, let’s fall in love!
Maybe I need to be needed, or something.
Lately there’s been one person somewhat flirting with me. There’s a trail of red flags from here to the moon but I’ve been finding the “somewhat flirting” sort of irresistible, just because it never happens and I’m so damn lonely and h*rny. Experience suggests this is another Sad Guy and I don’t want him. I know I don’t. Fortunately I rarely see him so the flirting is very minimal, but I’m still not happy with myself about it.
I had a good moment, though, where my inner wise woman suddenly popped out and gave me what-for. I was trying to persuade myself that maybe the red flags were really only a light pink and not something I couldn’t get over. And suddenly I heard myself saying out loud:
Sad depressed needy men with great big puppydog eyes do NOT make good husbands.
Get me, I’m a genius. Lol
“I’ve often been sucked in by depressos. Ooooh, you’re SAD? How INTERESTING! Let’s talk about that! For that matter, let’s fall in love!”
LoL! Amen.
Interesting posts. I’ve only had 2 relationships and they both turned out to be needy people who totally drained me and the last one I should have got out years ago but got stuck in inertia and fear. Over the years I have met people where there’s obviously been a rapport and I’ve run a mile which is a shame in hindsight. In the past I think I’ve been chosen rather choose and now I need to focus on my needs as opposed to others. Don’t think I have a set sort really but I’ll know when I meet them.
I’m back from working abroad for a couple of weeks and it was good to refocus and see a new environment. I had one really really bad day out there for some reason, don’t know why, but a guy I was working with who I had never met before and who I’ll probably never see again was a great help (and of course this website).
I read some of the posts above and think Oh God, I hope I don’t come across as being like that but I guess I can only be what I am.
Kathy, I mentioned on the other thread I had a coffee date and I’m going to go tomorrow. I feel a bit nervous about it but feel I need to do it. As people have said I need to broaden my horizons. It’s a big world out there and I realise what a secluded life I’ve been leading.
Sorry for the ramble!
One other thing and sorry if this is not the right place for it. Do people think a chap can be friends with a woman. I was thinking about it this afternoon, daydreaming at the pictures, and was thinking that’s what I’d like most at the moment. Someone who you can chat to and have a bit of laugh without all the complications that sometimes follow in a relationship. Or am I just being a bit lazy and a bit of a coward. Maybe I’m analysing things too much, don’t know. Alot of the blokes I know especially the job I’m doing when I’m travelling quite a bit haven’t moved on from the always trying to chat women up phase and I hate that when I’m out because it just makes me feel uncomfortable.
It’s odd but when I was in a relationship I’d be out on a Friday night but I’m more comfortable reading this website and feel okay doing it.
Absolutely, men and women can be friends. I say this as someone whose oldest, dearest friend is a man I first met when we were both university students. After 22 years, I not only consider him family, I consider his wife family, too.
Of course, it doesn’t work if one of you has ulterior motives. But if you don’t, I think it’s really important to have friends of the opposite sex — if nothing else, if you’re straight, they can help you understand the people you’re dating!
I haven’t been able to read all of the comments to this post (I will though =)), so I don’t know if anyone already brought this up BUT:
It seems pretty ironic that most women (I guess this applies to men too, but since it’s usually the man who initiates at the beginning and it’s the woman who “decides”) focus on rejecting guys and making choices based on these “types” and qualities that we are sure we like and dislike. While we are hasty in doing this (because again, we are so sure of our “taste”) we often COMPLETELY block out and ignore the red flags that do matter.
Okay now this sounds like circular reasoning with respect to your post, but sorry, it was a very big realization lol.
errr for example, at the beginning I was partially so attracted to my ex because I felt he was such a good son—always listened to his parents, spent time with them, obedient, took their advice, etc. After a long relationship with a very passive/indifferent individual, I realized he never stood up to an tyrant father and completely lacked a spine of his own!