What Does This Look Like?
March 30, 2008 by susangpyp
In the March seminar I talked about how I married my mother. Someone who was perfectionist about the house to the point where you COULD NOT ever get it right. The story I told was that when I was 12-18, my job in the house was to clean on Saturdays. The house had to be SPOTLESS top to bottom. Had you hired a professional housecleaner to clean the house for 8 hours, it could not have been cleaner. Everything was washed, waxed, vacumned, fluffed, buffed and polished. About an hour before my mother and sister got home from work, I started dinner being sure to not make a mess while doing so. I remember frying chicken cutlets on the stove and spraying the oil splashes as they occurred. When they came in the dinner was on the table, all the pots and pans already washed and put away.
My brother was in charge of the animals of which we had many. I believe at the time of the night in question, we had 4 dogs, 4 cats, a chicken and two murderous ducks named Mason and Dixon, and a few tankfuls of fish. Maybe some random turtles or birds. I am not quite sure, our numbers constantly changed but there were always a lot.
Well my brother’s Saturday chore was to change the various coops and litter boxes and tanks and whatevers and then have them all fed by the time they got home. Well this one night, everyone was fed except one cat who meandered home later that night. About 15 minutes before my mother came in, my brother opened a can of cat food and put the fork, with cat food on it, in the polished stainless steel sink. AND FORGOT ABOUT IT. We typically ran around like nuts making sure everything was picture perfect before they came in.
This night the house was spic and span, the dinner that I spent hours on was on the table, the table was set and everything was put away. Basically all they had to do was come in and sit down and eat. But my mother, being the crazy person she was, spied the fork in the sink and all hell broke loose. I remember being angry at my brother that he left that fork in the sink and ruined a perfectly good evening. My dinner went cold, the house was in an uproar which was not an unusual state for the house. It never occurred to me that my mother was crazy.
On these Saturdays my future husband, who was a friend, would often visit. He would see me cleaning and cooking and he would envision, in his pointed little head, the perfect wife (except the perfect wife also had a job). It was like those Warner Brother cartoons where Elmer Fudd looks at Porky Pig and sees a pork chop. I didn’t know I what I was turning into in his head. He had to have known I was cleaning like this under martial law and not of my own accord. He didn’t know that or later when he would berate me for not cleaning like this when we were married and had 3 kids, would act like he didn’t know that.
He thought that the 16 year old who cleaned like a maniac because she had a nutty mother would just morph into the wife with 3 kids and a full time job who would clean like a maniac on Saturday. He also had issues with his own mother who had boys and didn’t have a clean house most of the time. I remember going over there and they would be going to bed with dishes in the sink unlike my house where a dish got washed before you were even finished eating off it. To me that was pretty cool. To my ex, it was horrible, but neither of us were saying anything like that.
So I became like his mother, wanting the freedom to leave dishes in the sink overnight and he became like my mother controlling and unhappy no matter how much you did. He wanted the house and dinner of the 16 year old friend. I wanted the house and dinner of the 16 year old friend.
But if you clean you are always “right” as opposed to the person who doesn’t. So I continued my cleaning on Saturday thing, trying to please and he was never pleased.
It was not until the exact same thing happened that I connected it. I was almost 29 years old. We had lived together for almost 10 years…this insanity had raged on all that time and after spending the whole day cleaning, and dinner was on the table and the 3 boys were looking handsome and clean and awaiting his arrival, he marched in and yelled about a cup or spoon or something I left in the sink.
I stood there blinking and thinking, “OMG I married my mother.”
And it ALL became very clear to me.
Trying to satisfy the person who could not be satisfied.
Arguing with the person who pulled out the laundry lists of things I had done wrong my entire life, the controlling crazy person who blamed my imperfections for our unhappiness.
The person who said “Jump!” and when I said “How High?” they said “3 Feet” and when I jumped 3 feet they said if I really cared about them, I would have jumped 4 feet and the fact that I didn’t proved what a jerk I was.
And it suddenly occurred to me that I was sick of all these people who wanted me to jump. And I was sick of jumping. And I was sick of however high I jumped not being good enough.
I didn’t leave the next day or even the day after that or the day after that. It was many months and many more slides down the “Wait, look, I’m perfect” pole before I finally decided to point my gun at the thing that was our marriage and blow it all to smithereens.
He was actually attracted to me because I WAS like his mother but he wanted to WIN over her housekeeping…and he was like MY mother and I wanted to win by being good enough without housekeeping.
And so it went. Badly. And on and on and on. But because of the DRAMA and the EMOTION, we each mistook it for LOVE and the INTENSITY for how we couldn’t give it up. As I got better it was clear to me. LOVE? Not so much.
In another relationship, as I’ve blogged on here, my partner had an enmeshing mother and I had an abandoning mother. So when I wanted to get close to him to resolve my abandonment, he saw enmeshment. And when he tried to move to get some air, I saw it as abandonment…we both actually worked on that stuff together because unlike Mr. Bananahead No. 1, he was actually interested in not blaming everyone of our problems on me and getting better about everything. We both did a lot of work in the relationship. But we were both doing enormous amounts of work on ourselves and trying to figure out what a healthy relationship looked like.
So the dances that couples do usually has to do with their unfinished business and need to win over that and chances are, it ain’t gonna happen.
So the questions are: what struggles with your partner or partners are recreations of struggles in the past that are unresolved? And what projections onto your partners are you making?
This is where the Life Inventory comes in handy but I would also suggest books by Harriet Lerner and Maggie Scarf (though the Maggie Scarf one is really difficult to read).
What struggles and unfinished business have you been mistaking for love?








i was mistaking for love the constant come-backs and wild make-ups. i guess i have ignored the constant break-ups though. because it is not really about the fact that we would always come back together. it is about the fact that we could not stay together for a long time and eventually we would split again and again and again. it is not really love. it is unfinished business and rolling around in the mud together.
waterlilly,
Maybe you could start thinking about what things would make you fantastically happy. What do you yearn for? What have you always wanted to do, where would you like to go, what do you want to learn? Study the stars, raise an alpaca, move to Key West, learn kick boxing—whatever…. It feels as if you’re still putting so much energy into this person, energy he’ll never be able to return, and I’m just wondering if it would help for you to try to honor your own wishes now, the ones from the deep heart’s core. It sounds as if maybe, if your life were arranged so that YOU mattered more, you’d begin to see the empty bag he’s offering. I know how hard it is to let go (believe me, I do!), but it will help if you have something fabulous to move toward. You deserve a great life! The fact that he keeps hurting you means that he’s not the one to share it with you. But ask yourself what it would look like; start making your list and taking action. Love yourself and your own life, without reservation. When you start to find it, the things he’s offering you will look very small by comparison.
Good thoughts for you today! You’ll make it! (-;
Susan:
This is a really tough subject to address for me. My mom uses love as a weapon. A good example of her stuff was when she would get mad at me (never took much), she would tell me I had to call her Mrs. (her last name) and that she was no longer my mother. I got around that by not calling her anything. Another one would be that she cancelled holidays and birthdays. A few days before a big day, she would find some infraction and just simply cancel the occasion. My sister and I got used to it – sort of - and never expected much. To this day, my birthday is a time of anxiety that I have to consciously be aware of the reason.
Don’t you know that I married my mom? My ex-husband is not someone I discuss much here but this subject to all about him. Our 1st Christmas together, his family was over and stirred up some drama, so I decided to take a break and go get more ice. My ex came up to me and said if I left, he wouldn’t be there when I got back. When I returned, he had taken the Christmas tree, stockings, presents, everything. The house looked like the Grinch had been there and pillaged Christmas. Why I didn’t say “see ya” that night I will never know.
Later in our marriage, he would tell me that our relationship would be fine if I was a better mother, housekeeper and smarter with money. Wouldn’t it be great if the “recipe” would have been so easy? So what did the pleaser in me become: hyper-vigilant mother, compulsive housekeeper and obsessive about our finances. Guess what – never helped the relationship after all. His final sword was to use affection/love as a weapon. He would tell me I wasn’t worthy of being loved and yep, I believed it. After all, 2 people now had said it to me for years.
My most recent break up was for very different reasons but I was still the same person. I was always thinking what I could do to keep him happy and still loving me. He didn’t hold love hostage but he was emotionally unavailable most of the time so my needs to win him over went into overdrive.
So the moral of my story is that yes, I looked for people I had to win over. If I danced fast enough, they would let me stay and I could keep on proving that I was worth their love. I have experienced this need to please behavior of mine with employers, my sister and even my kids. These last few months, I have stepped back and looked at what is my stuff and what is someone else’s. I am done with turning myself inside out to make sure they are happy because in reality, I am simply not that powerful. I can’t make them happy – only me. Now, the reward is the silence that follows a people pleasing opportunity. Where I used to crumble that I had messed it up again, now I use the energy to walk away.
Thanks Susan, for putting this in front of me. I feel like I earned a new Girl Scout badge!
Jenny
bluebird, thank you for your words!! there is indeed so many things i would love to do and see and try and learn. the thing is, this break up coincides with a pretty tough period of my life because i’ve got no money and i am jobless and i keep on getting rejection letters from everywhere- i am applying for random part-time jobs in shops etc. to pay the rent while i’m looking for a better job in intl organisations. the first keep on telling me that my resume is too good for them, the latter keep on telling me that they have no openings, so this break up is really the top of the ice-cream. right now i cannot travel or spend on anything and i am trying as much to concentrate on the job search to not think about my ex but it is extremely tough when everything comes at the same time. so although i am quite stuck in reality right now, i try to keep on pushing and not to think less of myself because of the personal and professional rejections, although i must admit that the thought crosses my mind at times that i am good for nothing and nobody wants and needs me etc. but i know that this is normal and most people are going through tough times in their life and then everythings works itself out in the end. i am really looking forward to the day when i will have found a job and gotten over this mess called ex-relationship and i wish i could travel to new places and do interesting things. i am dreaming of it all!
waterlily, consider temp-services for “in the meantime”… people often do that between more permanent jobs.
This will become one of my favorite posts.
I relate to this so much. And to Jenny’s comments as well.
I found peace, finally, when I stopped pulling around my little
red wagon filled with the crap of my childhood. I didn’t know
I could let go of the handle, leave it where ever I wanted, and
keep walking. It’s much easier to navigate my life without dragging
that damn wagon around with me everywhere I go. :)
waterlilly,
Sounds like you’ve got a lot on your plate, or in your wagon, I should say (Kathy, I love the image, and feel so much relief in the idea of just letting go of the handle). Things will come together for you someday soon. Just hang in there. You are worth it! It comes to me, too, sometimes, the worthlessness feeling, but that little voice in the head that says such things is such a @#$%^&* liar! Don’t believe a word it utters. (-; It takes a LOT of energy to make changes and to head out of a relationship with someone you care about, so give yourself extravagant loads of credit for all you’ve done and continue to try (you might keep a little notebook just for this purpose—it feels good to see how all the small changes add up). Serenity’s right about the temps. And maybe look for little adventures you can have right now, right where you are, ones that don’t cost anything. I’m glad you’re dreaming it all! That’s where everything good begins.
Waterlilly - a lot of what you said rang a big loud bell with me… It is so much harder when a break -up coincides with other losses and absences.
I too have been out of work, feeling rejected that way. That in itself is such an isolating and upsetting experience - add a *horrible* break-up to the mix, and it is no wonder things feel so bad sometimes. I have realised that I have ended up because of the 2 losses, feeling very,very isolated, which has knocked my confidence, sent negative messages triggering my insecurities and negative beliefs about myself and my past…. and worst of all, I have all this time on my hands to obsess about it all! I really think Serenity is right - any kind of work I think will help me to get out of my headspace a little, and build up my self-confidence. Being out of work and lonely has definitely, without doubt, kept my ex in my life for longer than he ever should have been… Even while his attention had hurt me like a burn, I have found myself somehow glad of the attention, because of being so lonely and feeling invisible at times…
I am not saying this is you too Waterlilly, but I do think it is a very dodgy possible side effect of having surplus time and physical isolation from others and from work… for me, this has really helped keep my unfinished business with my ex alive. I take great inspiration form the people who post here encouraging me ti use this extra time i have more postively, to work on being good to myself - thanks all!
I have spent some time asking myself these questions about my present situation. I do not want to date OR marry my mother and certainly not my father. I love my mother, but she is stuck in 1931-the year she was born- and cannot see the forest for the trees. Codependency is/was a way of life on that side of the family. My grandmother was the codependent of my grandfather. My grandfather was an absent father to my mother. The saga continues. My mother has ALWAYS pleased everyone but herself. My father has been gone 10 years and she still complains about her martyrdom and all the things she did to KEEP THE PEACE while my father ruled with an iron fist.
The torch of codependency has been passed on to my oldest sister. She is a perfectionist, and was always goodie-two shoes. Now she is enmeshed with a drug-abusing son and makes excuses for everything he does, including illegal garbage. It’s all garbage…they are repeating the cycle. I don’t want any part of it.
I did stick my nose in just long enough to tell my sister and family that they need counseling. Otherwise, I understand that it is out of my hands. I suppose when you are in turmoil, it is hard to see the big picture. You cannot see the dysfunction.
When my father would get mad at my mother, my mother gave us jobs to do to get out of of my dad’s hair so-to-speak. I remember running the vacuum until my hands hurt and had blisters. I remember my father flipping out when the canister which was located in the garage, overflowed onto the garage fllor. I remember telling him that all you had to do was sweep it up and that I would sweep it up. He went ballistic and screaming that it wasn’t that simple. I was 5 or 6 at the time. IT WAS THAT SIMPLE. It was a central vacuum, so all you carried around was the hose and plugged it into “outlets” scattered around the house like electrical sockets. The damn thing was easy to use, but the chaos and drama cleaning caused would blow my mind. Then the vacuum would overflow and my dad would be disturbed from his work to come and fix it. Then we had destroyed my mother’s attempt at keeping us “occupied” by cleaning and not begging for my dad’s attention. It was all our fault. Not only did we manage to overflow the vacuum canister (Again, all you had to do was empty it and sweep the rest off the floor.) but we disturbed daddy and …
Cleaning must be a tool used in dysfunction families to attempt to restore order or gain control. How many times I was banished to my room after wanting to talk to my dad about something, anything, school work, dogs, sharks, gardening…I was sent to my room to clean it and have it ready for inspection. :( It’s a miracle my house isn’t a complete pigsty in rebellion.
Healther, your last paragraph seemed very insightful to me. How, why, when a family’s house is cleaned seems to say a whole lot about the family dynamic.
waterlily and little wing, when I was just out of college and not in a regular job, I even signed up with multiple temp agencies so that there would always be more possibilities. And sometimes I got a longer term assignment that went on for weeks and gave me time to plan my next occupational step.
This all hits a chord with me, too.
My sister and I were also often banished to our rooms when, in retrospect, I imagine we
were getting on our parents’ nerves. Like maybe we wanted some one-on-one time
or something “crazy” like that. Heaven forbid. And the excuse was often that we needed to
clean our rooms.
I remember one time, when I was a little bitty thing–under 5, for sure, probably
3 or 4. My room was, indeed, a mess, as I remember it. I believe there was tension
about the house being messy (my parents were always fighting about house cleaning
and standards and so on, and my sister and I were caught up in their dance). So,
anyway, I remember being sent to my room that particular day and being told I
could not come out until it was clean. I didn’t know HOW to clean my room well
at that age, so I didn’t even know what they wanted. I stayed in my room for hours.
I don’t remember if they let me out because I made progress or because they
eventually had to feed me or what. I do remember feeling shamed for being messy.
I’m sure I also felt guilty/responsible for all of the tension between my parents.
Too bad one of them couldn’t have had the decency to lovingly teach me how
to put my things away, instead of shaming me for “being messy and not taking
care of my things.”
That’s a painful memory. It came up when my kids were little and I started to repeat
that whole dance with them and then had to step out of it and find a way to do it
differently (better). I hope I stopped the pattern with my kids, but I certainly
could have benefited from GPYP 15 years ago! I guess it’s never too late to
learn to do better.
I can recall being sent to my room to clean it and have it ready for inspection and having just cleaned it…being bored and falling asleep on the bed and …LO! and BEHOLD! Wrinkles appeared on the bed spread and my father would strip the bed down to the bare matress and make me make it until he could bounce a quarter off it when the sheets were pulled tight enough. That was the Marine standard for bed-making: bounce a quarter off of it when the sheets are pulled properly tight enough with no rumples. I wasn’t STRONG ENOUGH to pull the sheets that tight. I don’t think I passed the quarter test ONCE. I was set up to fail almost daily. Humm, wonder where the self-esteem issues come from???
Ok, that was a whining session, but I’ve forgiven my father all of his transgressions - he was my father and has now passed on. He lived in a different generation and discipline and a stern attitude got you whatever you wanted. Men ruled in my father’s household with expectations for the children that even the Pope would have found ludicrous. (I guess it’s a good thing they were Jewish, huh?) But seriously, it was a difficult lesson to learn and I struggle with my self-esteem because of the dynamics that played out in my childhood. I’m trying to break the cycle and do things differently. I feel innovative, energetic and excited to re-write my personal history. I could have easily fallen into the trap laid for me as a pipsqueak.
If you all were at the March 8th seminar you will remember me as the person who is dealing with extended emeshed family issues. I am the black sheep who has chosen to live outside the herd and there is zero tolenance in my family for any boundaries. My choice is simple. Its either my health or my family. I have chosen my health. Fortuately my daughter and husband are supportive of my desire to distance the parents, aunts, uncles and cousins.
This entry by Susan hit me hard today. What I began to realize after the 3/8 seminar and it all came together this past weekend is that I sought out a relationship after my family split that is a recreation of my Mother and me. This is a friendship that started a couple of years ago as I put some boundaries around my family relationships. I jumped into this friendship and would occasionally see the uncomfortable signals which I chose to ignore. It took a “fork in the sink” type thing to jar me into shock that ….OMG this is my Mother! Granted it is a friend/trainer (non romantic) but during a training session when she said the following “I am going to get a camera and take a picture and show you what you look like.” It was the exact words my Mom would use! She would use these words relative to my weight, my hair, my being sloppy, my room or for whatever infraction she saw no matter how minor or trivial. So here was a friend/trainer using these same words with me as an adult. I am usually always polite, but this time I turned to her with others present and said “I don’t care.” A little retro behavior, you think? I was suddenly 10 years old again. It took me a couple of weeks to process this and my reaction to it. When the light bulb went off I thought: This is the same relationship as Mom. My friend is distant, controlling and never provides a compliment. As a friend she keeps asking you to do more and more for her but little is done for you. Since she is a trainer it makes it worse. You are never told what is right, only the bad and you rarely get any compliments. You are told down to the smallest detail what you did wrong. So you work hard and try to please like a lap dog panting for a small show of affection But the affection rarely if ever comes. It is held back as a power play. Every now and then there is a small crumb, but its to keep you coming back. Not too motivational and not too healthy.
So its not just all about a romantic thing, it can extend to friends as well. I am now putting some boundaries in place and thinking through the future of this friendship. In the past I would have over reacted and ended it quickly. This time, I will think and learn and decide what I want. If it survives it will have to be more on my terms than hers. It will also give me time to unwind things wisely if I need to do so. A BIG LESSON LEARNED!!!
Black Sheep,
Thank you for this post. I recently ended a relationship with a “life coach,” because of behavior similar to your friend’s. I saw him over the course of three weeks but had doubts from the beginning. I, too, waited — longer than I wish I had — to see if I would start to feel differently. By feel differently, I mean, to see if my declining self-esteem would rally. It didn’t. I did with him what I’ve done in so many other relationships which sent up early, and repeated, red flags. I gave him the benefit of the doubt. But I did end it! I emailed and left him a voice mail telling him I no longer wanted coaching. Then, I set about understanding all the feelings (and red flags) that had come up around his behavior and my feelings about myself.
Here’s what I came up with: 1. He did most of the talking in our initial “interview” phone call. He told me what he did, all the different hats he wore, he catalogued his accomplishments with clients. But…he asked few questions of ME…the client. GIANT RED FLAG, at least for me, since I WAS PAYING HIM. Hello, can I please speak! 2. After meeting with him, he continued to do the talking even after I expressed my concern about all the talking he’d done on the phone. Unlike other coaches I know of, he never asked me to describe my strengths or my dreams, which is pretty basic with life coaching. 3. When I completed the assigned tasks, i.e., my art, a task I suggested and had to convince him of (even though I went to him expressly to get support for making and selling my art on the internet.), he brushed off the work, the art, and my effort. Instead, he focused on why I was having difficulty with other minor tasks.
There were other things, too. However, the main thing is that I started feeling worse about myself not better. And, during the hour we met I felt we were following HIS agenda, rather than mine — even though I was the paying customer.
A week into the coaching, my gut was telling me to get out but,at the same time, there seemed to something else, something almost hypnotic — a spell — that wouldn’t let me tell him to go take a hike. What I realized was that despite feeling he was witholding, distant, and unnurturing –everything opposite of what a life coach is supposed to be to a client, I couldn’t let go.
The night before I fired him, I felt this incredible fear whenever I thought of telling him I was ending the relationship. I imagined he would say horrible shaming things to me that I couldn’t bear to hear. It was that FEAR that made me realize I had to end the coaching, immediately. That fear was NOT healthy fear. It wasn’t the kind of healthy fear of doing something, i.e., succeeding in business ,or, doing something I didn’t know how to do. The fear I felt with him was: a fear of being swallowed up, being diminished, and being treated as invisible, or. as someone less important than the other.
I feel my essential, growing, healthy self was saying something is WRONG here. Get out. This guy is bad news.
Anyhow, there’s more, but basically my gut (which has been right 99.99% of the time) was telling get out, get out, get out. It was very clear.
Before my decision, though, I talked to trusted friends about my feelings. And as you might imagine there were lots of opinions. One person I trust said maybe I was supposed to stay in this relationship to learn how to respond differently, to controlling and witholding behavior, a theme in my family and in romantic relationships. And, I thought my friend’s advice seemed to make sense — in some way.
But even though it maybe made some sense, in some psychological or intellectual sense (which I have let override my gut many times) — it just didn’t make sense TO ME. I kept going back to my gut. My poor little gut that’s never abandoned me, even when I abandoned her. And my gut was screaming at me to get out. Eventually, and calmly, I said I’m going to trust her: my gut. I’m going to trust THAT. And, I did.
And, you know what I’m so relieved. I haven’t doubted myself once — NOT ONCE — since I fired him. Since the firing, I’ve talked to a couple more coaches, and asked them questions based on my experience with this guy, and both coaches welcomed my questions, and answered them differently from this other guy.
What did I learn from this? That family of origin stuff will probably always pop up in my life, in many types of relationships. But I can do it differently. And, a big part of doing it differently, is listening to my gut, paying attention to unhealthy fear, and making my own decision based on what I know to be true for me. No one else can decide for me.
Black Sheep, thank you so much for this post. It’s helped me validate myself.
Take care. I’m sure you’ll do what is right for you.
Seeif
Wow Seeif. I am sorry you had such a horrible experience with a person who was supposed to make it the opposite. I’m glad you trusted your gut and ended it. If there are any relationships that we should force ourselves to stay in and work on, they certainly aren’t ones with paid service providers who are supposed to encourage us and nurture our dreams. And honestly, I almost thinks that once the measure dips over on the negative side, I’m not going to stick with any relationship. If it’s someone who is stuck in my life, I plan to limit contact.
My gut wouldn’t allow me to sleep peacefully beside my exbf. I always had to take a sleeping pill. Is that the body screaming alarm or what? *He was not trustworthy*.
Seeif, your message sent me on a forty-minute “researching negative people” on the Internet project. I learned quite a lot, and wrote a lot about it in my journal. There’s even new brain science information on negativity; it seems that the newly discovered “mirror neurons” (we have ‘em, monkeys have ‘em- they’re the cause of “monkey see- monkey do”) activate when we observe someone act in a certain way. The suggestion is that negative behavior and thinking, is, in fact, contagious. A lot of what I read said, “Escape!” “Eliminate or limit contact with negative people!” and things like that.
I find this ALL very good to read- It makes NC so much more important to me. My ex really did pull me down all the time by invalidating me and one-upping me with his attitude.
One blogger asked if you would invite a friend in with a dripping garbage bag? And then what would you do if the friend emptied it on your head? (LOL way to go with the metaphors)
This from entrepreneur.com and Azriela Jaffe made me think of your situation:
“It’s easier for some people to tear you down than to feel envy or shame because they haven’t pulled off something similar”…”Recognize they aren’t speaking the truth, only their perception of the truth, and be grateful you aren’t stuck with their limited vision of the world.”
Finally, let’s go with Gandhi, who can be admired for so many things and who said:
” I will not let anyone walk through my mind with their dirty feet.”
Blacksheep: I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOO glad you are here. You are a terrific person. :)
Seeif,
I hope I will get to where you are. I’m trying to trust myself more these days, but i still feel a lot of self-doubt. It feels so sad sometimes that that means trusting (some) other people less, or sometimes not at all. It’s hard sometimes to know how to stay open, if that’s your natural personality, and yet be clear-eyed too. If it means growing up, I guess that can happen any time in your life. (-; I’m so glad you got rid of this coach person. Very brave of you to act on your intuition. Sometimes when I read the posts here I feel like what people are most afraid of is becoming exceptional. I think you are an exceptional person, so I hope you can accept that and feel glad about it, and just know that you’ve helped a lot of us here.
Thank you, Seeif! (-;
Bluebird and Serenity,
Thank you for your support. You both continue to inspire me, with your words of wisdom to me and to so many others on this blog. Bluebird, you are exceptional, too. And, Serenity, you amaze me.
Thank you, again.
Seeif,
I really relate to your post. I’m sorry you had to go through that with a life coach, someone who should have been a support system for you, not another headache. I went through something similar with my therapist. She was a huge help to me initially when I broke up with my ex, but I had to “break up” with her too about a month ago. Why? Because she was always late for sessions, we’re talking 30 minutes, sometimes 45 minutes, and despite me telling her this was a problem, it continued. The final straw to me was a session where I waited and waited, and she had forgotten about it. I realized that this was very negatively playing on my abandonment issues, and I had to walk.
It was really hard for me to tell her that her services would not be needed any longer, because I am rarely the person who boots people from my life. I tend to give them chances over and over, and think things will get better, and don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings. It’s something I always struggled with but finally I have established boundaries and am able to put my foot down a lot more. This is yet another positive change that stemmed from the breakup.
Life coaches and therapists should behave a lot more professional than this. We come to them during times of intense vulnerability and if they are not careful, they can make us even worse than when we started. It’s a slippery slope.
But go us for being able to say “enough is enough”! That kind of energy will carry over into other areas of life as well.
Moving On,
I’m sorry you had to go through that with your therapist. But, I agree, figuring out what is acceptable and what is unacceptable, and letting people know, can spread to other areas of our lives. I have every faith it will.
Yes, good for you and good for me: we took good care of ourselves, didn’t we? What you said about not being someone who “boots people” out of your life hit home. I’ve been the dumpee more often than the dumper, in romantic relationships. But in other relationships — for example, with people providing services to me — I can be more assertive.
This situation was different. Even though I fired the coach within a reasonable amount of time(once I realized what I was feeling), I cared way too much about his feelings, and not enough about my own. I feel it was another lesson in life teaching me to put myself first ,or, to value what I feel — to believe in myself.
Being afraid to leave, and believing that he, as the “expert” could know more than I do about myself, is part of the theft of self that is a consequence of earlier emotional abuse. I’m guessing that I’ll be dealing with this issue for the rest of my life, whenever I engage with a manipulative and controlling person. My hope is I’ll get to know myself well enough to develop a kind of check list whenever I’m faced with this. A check list I can run down, to determine whether I’m in unsafe waters before the water gets too deep.
Thank you, Moving On, for sharing this.
I guess, for me, it’s when someone “respects my boundaries.”
Note the quote-marks: When someone else lets me make the decisions, and set the boundaries, and do all of the declaring and leading, it feels fine for a little while. Eventually, though, I start to feel like there’s no substance to /them/, and that they’re sucking away what makes me Me. I mean, have an opinion about something! Say when something is unacceptable.
I push and push, trying to get a reaction. Show me that you’re human! That you have feelings and desires and wants and needs!
I guess it goes back to my Mom, and how passive she is towards my Dad. Dad’s a normal guy. There isn’t much wrong with him, and he doesn’t really understand mental illness or family problems. He just makes due with what he’s got. I guess, in a way, something in him responds to my mom’s passivity, but I try not to psychoanalyze them when I really just don’t know. My Mom, though, she’ll go docile and sweet with him, but not with me. She’s always loved him best.
I almost got into a car wreck a couple of years ago. It was about three AM and the breaks gave out on a very dangerous street-stop, and I slid through traffic (Saturday nights at 2AM the bars close, and the drunks get out on the street) without a car hitting me (miraculously) and managed to coast to a stop in a church parking lot. I called my Mom and told her what’d happened. I was panicking. As far as I knew, I could have died. I got home, and she hadn’t even bothered to get out of bed.
Dad? He’ll call her and she’s /there/. Like a dog, waiting, panting at the door. She won’t bother to get out of bed when I call terrified that I’d almost died, but with him, she goes doe-eyed and compliant.
I guess it makes me angrier than I thought it did. Dad doesn’t even seem aware of it, but I’m painfully aware of it. I just don’t /matter/ as much to her, because she’s so involved with trying to make herself pleasant to him, and trying to do whatever she thinks will make him happy. Anticipating his needs. Pandering. I can’t stand that.
I guess that’s what comes up in me when someone ‘anticipates’ my needs. Trying to please. Like a dog waiting at the door.
I want a real person, thanks. With wants, and needs, and conflicting opinions. Don’t just smile at me and say, “Whatever you want, dear.” Don’t say, “Wherever you want to go,” or “Whatever you want to do.” Don’t make me make decisions all of the time. I don’t understand why that enrages me as much as it does.