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On Deciding To Move On III


Last June I wrote this post about two types of people who never get over it. In February I had a bunch of email along those lines and I reposted the first post with some edits. Here’s the 3rd go round (with MORE edits and a story thrown in for good measure. :) ) after reading Heather’s comments in the Karma post.


When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us. ~ Helen Keller

Who doesn’t “get over” it?

The first type is the person who refuses to acknowledge that they had a loss or refuses to do any work that they need to do on themselves. They repress all the hurt and anger and go on to repeat the same mistakes over and over again with the same type of people. They might do some emoting in the beginning but they either go on as if nothing happened or stay stuck in a surface malaise. Nothing is really bad but nothing is really good either. They are maintaining and life is not about maintaining. Life is about living.

The next type who never get over it are those who get stuck in the emotional mud and never seem to get out of it. What they don’t realize is that although processing your feelings results in healing and cleansing, at some point you need to decide to get on with your life.

People get stuck in the emotional. They become used to feeling bad, wanting others to feel sorry for them and generally unable to get past it or move on. What they don’t understand is that even though you haven’t done ALL the work, you’ve done the bulk of it and even though you still feel bad to some degree, you need to make a decision to move on with things.

OR

Are you still worrying about what the ex is doing and thinking and you won’t ALLOW your grief because the ex is happy and you’re not.

STAY OUT OF THE EX’S HEAD AND THE EX’S LIFE. Otherwise you are going to be STUCK in your stuff!!!

Although we are working through the emotions and taking active steps to work through the unfinished business of the past there is another important piece of the puzzle. That is the decision to move on. The decision MUST be made to grieve and the decison MUST be made to move on. From wherever you are, you need to be honest if you’re stuck or not.

You need to do your grieving, your emotional bloodletting WITHOUT comparing yourself to your ex or what your ex is or is not doing.

You must give yourself time to feel as bad as you really feel, but you can’t stay there forever.

You need to do the Relationship Inventory. You need to see in writing what it was and let it go. The purpose of the Relationship Inventory is so that you can review it, say what you need to say, bury it and move on.

Then you MUST, MUST, MUST make a DECISION, a cognitive, affirmative decision to LET IT GO. It’s a matter of self-discipline, self-respect and self-affirmation. In order to get where you are going, you must let go of where you have been.

There is a time in the middle of obsessing about your ex when you need to turn to YOUR STUFF and do YOUR work. Then there is a time in the middle of all your work when it becomes necessary to decide that it’s time to move on. You’re done crying, done walking the floors, done moping around. You’ve reviewed it ad nauseum. You’ve had every emotional reaction that there is to have.

It’s time to begin to recognize that you have changed, that the memories don’t quite sting anymore and we don’t want to be a victim of our hurt anymore. We don’t want to live in the past anymore.

It’s a decision. A day that comes when you realize it’s time to move on.

If you haven’t cried your tears, cry them.

My last serious relationship that I broke up was to a guy who virtually (and literally) disappeared on me. I could not understand how a logistical issue had turned into a breakup nightmare. I had been in a long-term relationship with someone who wanted to talk things out because we both agreed that it was healthy. Although we came to a point where we could not move forward together, we had a nice relationship when we had it.

I tried to inject some of this into the next serious relationship and even though the guy was a therapist, he didn’t want to talk about anything. So when it was over I was left with this big pile of stinking crap and lots of questions and lots of “how the hell did this happen?”

I tried to send him some letters to explain things. Then when I felt I had made enough of a fool of myself I started writing letters I did not send. HUGE tomes to the thing that was us.

I had a small office in the basement of the condo where I lived and I sat there, in the glow of the computer screen, from February through June, I think…writing letter after letter and journaling like a maniac. I called it the E Chronicles (as his name began with E). When I would go out, I would say “I have to get home and work on the E Chronicles.” to my friends who all thought I was nuts.

We lived near a river and in June the snakes started to show up in the basement and even though I’m deathly afraid of snakes and their presence led to a few 3 Stooges like scenes in the basement with the boys chasing them around and me standing there and screaming, I STILL went down there to work on the foolish E Chronicles.

E and I connected briefly and spent 4th of July together. On July 5th I was back to wondering and waiting. He blew the very first night he was supposed to call me and I retreated to the basement…snakes or no snakes.

Sometime in August or September I realized I had frittered away some of the winter, all of the spring and most of the summer on these foolish E Chronicles and if I allowed it to go on any longer, I would be forever tethered to the computer in a snake-infested basement (okay, it wasn’t infested but in my mind one is an infestation).

So I figured I had cried, not eaten, not slept, walked the floors, went NC, broken NC, tried a “date” which didn’t work and wrote and talked my heart out. I could keep going because I’m an obsessive. logical type and I want to MAKE SENSE OF EVERYTHING. And when it doesn’t make sense I am like a dog on a rag trying to MAKE IT MAKE SENSE.

But he didn’t make sense and staying in the basement was not going to make him make sense. So I decided to come up into the light and start living my life AGAIN.

But it was a decision that had to be made. One day was NOT going to come to make me feel better and have it “just” happen. I had to DECIDE to stop the typing and get ON with life. No answers. No explanations. No sense. Just get up one day and go, “Time to stop wasting my life on foolish people….” and I did.

If you HAVE cried your tears, walked the floor, written it all out, talked to friends and/or therapists, and if you are STILL caught up in it, you have to make a decision to turn the page and turn it now.

Living life is a decision. Decide to do WHAT YOU NEED TO DO TO MOVE ON and then do it. YOU CAN DO IT.

115 Responses to “On Deciding To Move On III

  1. on March 28, 2008 at 8:43 am Hondo Lane

    While I don’t think I’m completely ‘there’ yet, I am proud of myself for where I am now. The physical sting is no longer there. For me it manifested in the feeling of the skin of my shoulders feeling like it was trying to crawl off my body. That stopped a few weeks ago.

    Sunday will be Day 90 of NC. I really didn’t think I would make it to Day 30 or 60, but here I am approaching Day 90.

    I had been telling myself, “if I can just make it to Day 90 I will be in a place where I can call him and arrange to get my stuff back.” Yes, it was just a way for me to dangle a carrot in front of myself to get to the next milestone. And I realized I was about to give myself permission to break NC for stuff I don’t really need.

    One of the things he still has is something that belonged to my grandma. I was having dinner with my dad the other night when I mentioned Day 90 and that I still have some things at Bananahead’s apartment, one of them being my grandma’s item. My dad said, “Give me a list of the things you want back, and I’ll call him and get them for you.” Now, you have to understand that my dad is not one to get involved, and that I’m a 30 year old woman who has never relied on her daddy’s help. I was surprised he offered, but happy to take him up on it. (One thing I’ve learned through this process is to readily accept the help of others.)

    I had been using the left behind things as an excuse to call the ex in the future. Sure, I was going to wait until I could have a coherent non-emotional conversation with him. But I was still using those things as an excuse to make contact. Which would be counterproductive in every way. Now, having chosen to let my dad handle it, I’ve chosen to not give myself an excuse to stop the healing process. And I think that’s me choosing to begin the moving-on process.


  2. on March 28, 2008 at 8:48 am Heather

    Whoa, I feel like a celebrity being mentioned in your blog, Susan! *blush* :)

    I posted my writing from the other e-place I visit because I feel it’s such a waste to work through 85% of the pain and then wallow it - FOREVER. I did my fair share of wallowing, although I did not have the distinct pleasure of having a basement chock full of serpents to keep me company while I sunk into my quicksand.The snakes would have had the basement all to their slimy selves!

    When I got over the hump, I realized I had used up my allotted time to be a miserable, self-pitying victim. I didn’t like that role much because it TIED ME DOWN. And people see you as a miserable, self-pitying victim and treat you as such. If love is an action, then so is achieving happiness. It’s what you do FOR YOURSELF and HOW YOU ACT in the world that lends itself to a happy or unhappy life. Being miserable attracted misery. Literally. I met a women who had just gone through a divorce and her divorce had become final exactly one month after mine. She seethed. She was self-pitying and ANGRY as all-get-out. When I looked at her, I saw myself. I hated it. I thought, why do I want to be around her? Then I thought, who wants to be around me? The decision was made. I was moving on and ACTING in happiness by doing for myself and making my life better. I had a huge sense of urgency then to get out and live life! I was leaving sadness and loss and despair for someone else who wasn’t ready to quit the “POOR ME” act.
    I no longer hang out with the woman I met just after our divorces were final. She’s still stuck, and still unhappy and still trying deperately to draw people in with her pity party. It’s not attractive. Oh, she’s also ANGRIER than ever.
    Another thing I learned: LIFE’S TOO SHORT! It’s too short not to act in happiness and move on when you’re ready. Because spending time caught up in emotions that keep you imprisoned is a huge waste.

    Susan, I hope I am on the right track with this. I write from my experiences as you do and sometimes it’s a very private memoir made public. I don’t mind sharing. But I am ever grateful for this blog, and you and my life as it is today. :)


  3. on March 28, 2008 at 9:07 am susangpyp

    Misery doesn’t love company, it DEMANDS it!


  4. on March 28, 2008 at 9:42 am Kalo82

    Hondo Lane,
    you are awesome. i too have a lot of things at my ex’s parents house (they are wonderful people who were like my surrogate parents) and i’ve just decided that they are things that i do not need.
    if anything, i know i can arrange for a friend to get them or have my friend contact the ex to arrange a time to drop off my things.
    when i moved out of my apartment, i think my ex wanted to come by my new place and drop off some of my needed things. to this day, he does nto know where i live and i dont want him to know. i know he worries about me….but i did not want him to have the satifisfaction of knowing how i am…if im ok…if my new living situation is ok….b/c he obviously didnt care when he dropped a bomb and told me he had doubts (ONLY after i asked him about our future…and where things were going exactly. we were together 4 years!)
    so i arranged to have him drop off my needed things at a friend who lives close-by.
    my friend said that he suggested we drop off my things closer to my house…but she siad no. he asked my friend about my new place…if its nice, near a metro, safe, etc….and my friend simply said that he should ask me.

    oh well. it’s been about a week of NC. total NC meaning it’s been a week since i deactivated facebook. it feels good to not worry or be upset about what he is doing.
    i even have his passwords to Facebook and other things…and i havent checked!


  5. on March 28, 2008 at 10:12 am Mayee

    Kalo82, I have same situation with my ex. I know his passwords, his social security… I used to do his taxes till last year. There is so much of shared life between us… he let it go in a week. A week after we broke up, he was engaged to another girl.

    I am still fresh in the grief phase. Move on phase… it will come. Not today though.


  6. on March 28, 2008 at 10:23 am Hondo Lane

    Kalo82 - now that is restraint. Not using the passwords. I’m glad I never had any of Bananahead’s passwords. I’m disciplined, but it would have been a struggle to maintain my dignity and not check his stuff out. Good for you!

    Unfortunately, the ex knows where my new apt is because I moved out when we were ‘working on things’. The good news is that there are no real memories of him there.

    I asked that my dad not tell me when he calls the ex, or if the ex asks about me. Said I’d know he had gotten my stuff when he called to say that, well, he had my stuff. I had previously asked a really close friend, who also knew the ex, if she would handle this for me. She seemed hesitant so I just put it on the back-burner, because I don’t need any of the stuff to live, until it became a ‘reason’ for contact in the future. Then dad offered, and voila! Problem solved. Anyhoo, I asked that my dad not share anything about me. If Bananahead asks about me, too bad. He has my contact information and could have called at any time. (Not that I would answer…)

    I think my dad is totally awesome. He really surprised me when he stepped up to do this. I’ve never really been a damsel in distress. Wasn’t raised that way. And I’m still not a damsel in distress right now., just heartbroken. I would never have thought to ask him to help me out in this situation.


  7. on March 28, 2008 at 10:31 am abbychaya

    I have to say.. and please feel free to hang bunting, blow whistles or whatever,.. that I am nearly and almost OVER IT! Yes,, it’s really weird but the news that my ex and his new mrs are going away in a motor home round europe for however long.. has just FREED ME!!

    Maybe on the one hand because I now can’t imagine anything worse than being 24/7 in a motorhome with the ex :) or because its just so final.. them leaving and me having the big playground of the summer free of running into him and her and maybe just because its’ time

    All the journalling.. the one letter I wrote (and did send) and the many night crying myself to sleep finally seem worth it

    Even though its raining cats and dogs today in England,, I feel the sun shine and I’m thinking.. TO hell with him (and her) and finally I’ve rejected the rejector!

    Thank you susan and everyone else who has helped me, to help myself

    Abbyxxx


  8. on March 28, 2008 at 10:39 am susangpyp

    WHOA. Happy YOU Abby!!! Good work, good job! Tah-riffic!!!

    And happy motoring to them…they sound like they deserve each other….hee hee


  9. on March 28, 2008 at 11:12 am Hope

    Abby - I am so happy that you are doing so well! You were in my thoughts all week!!

    Susan - You have described so eloquently exactly how I feel over my break up - and trust me I DESPERATELY want to get to the point where I am ready to let it go. The way you describe the unanswered questions that remained since your ex did not want to talk about anything is exactly what I am dealing with. I never received any answers or truth or justification or anything, I technically never even received the break up talk. After 3 years I was literally standing in our apartment with my head whirling going “wait, stop the train, go back, I can explain,” and I constantly told him “it doesn’t have to be this way.” He never gave any healthy genuine reason, he seems to be a victim of life and would act as if his breaking up with me was something he was being forced to do. This makes it very hard for me, as I am completely unable to wrap my head around what actually happened and I feel that if I can’t understand it then I can’t accept it and if I can’t accept it, I can’t let it go. I never contacted him to discuss things as i knew that nothing he said was going to make sense to me anyway, but I still feel like it is one big open ended question. He put on this act that everything was ok and then all of a sudden I was smacked in the face with what was really going on and my mind is still reeling from it. I dont know how to distinguish how much is inevitable recycling and how much is dwelling?


  10. on March 28, 2008 at 11:12 am Kalo82

    Hondo Lane,
    that’s why it’s only been a week of NC, as opposed to longer (we broke up 2 months ago) b/c i’d check his Facebook and other accounts…just to see what he was doing–who he was messaging. i know it’s pathetic, but it was lile my link to him, still.
    he priginally changed his facebook password, but i was able to guess it easy…guess i know him too well :)
    he had messaged his ex gf from HS and asked id they could get drinks sometime, whenever he was in NY (which he rarely is). i was so shocked and even trembling when i saw that….but i couldnt do anything! i couldnt contact him and yell at him! i wasnt supposed to be reading his messages.
    so after a while, i jsut decided to stop b/c it didnt make me feel any better.
    so far, it’s been a week and so far so good. it’s none of my busines (like susan says) what he is doing. i need to move on with my life.
    it hurts that he hasnt contacted me…but i just have to think that i dont need someone in my life who isnt going to fight for me or the relationship.

    you’re dad is totally awesome. my parents live overseas, and i never thought i could talk to them about the break-up, much less cry to them! but i did…and i t felt good…adn my dad has given me nothing but GREAT advice. he is just so simple with his advice, but it means the world to me.
    my parents both really liked my ex, but when we brke up, they’ve obviouslybeen on my side…told me its over (no “maybe you guys will get back together” talk). even though they liked my ex, they knew he wasnt godo enough for me if he wasnt willing to even verbally commit!


  11. on March 28, 2008 at 11:19 am Kathy

    Susan,
    Great post! I’ve my own “ex chronicles” of sorts over the years. One was a book (unpublished,
    just for me) of prose and poetry after a boyfriend passed away. Another could be called
    the ridiculous “K chronicles” (his name started with a K), consisting mostly of letters I wrote
    but didn’t send during our many breakups. That man was scary. It’s hard to look back and
    remember how hard I tried to keep him in my life when he was so SCARY. I did some
    chronicling the last time (last breakup), but I didn’t drag it out for a change. What I did
    very differently this time was to make that decision you talk about; the decision to let
    go of the past, look inward, and move on. Yes, I had a great therapist to help me. But
    you/GPYP were key to my really getting it right this time. If people are not doing what you
    recommend just yet, they aren’t ready, and I accept that. But following your advice as soon
    as they can grasp how powerful it is and muster up the courage, is what I would hope for everyone who comes to this site after a breakup or a loss of any kind.


  12. on March 28, 2008 at 11:35 am susangpyp

    Hope: let it go. Forget the answers. There are none and if you heard them you probably wouldn’t like them and they certainly wouldn’t help…they would just draw you in more because you’d have “but but but” to do.

    Forget the answers. Forget the justifications. Forget it all. IT DOESN’T MATTER.


  13. on March 28, 2008 at 11:41 am Denise

    It is true about getting stuck in your own stuff and getting out isn’t easy. I recognize my own stuff but for some reason the rejection threw me into a terrible dispair even though I had thought, many times, about ending the relationship myself on previous occasions. Not because I didn’t love the person or because they were bad but because I feared that it would one day result in him leaving me because of our age differences, that he would one day want children (I have children and cannot have anymore), etc. For seven years he told me he loved and, was in love with me and that none of that mattered…..but I was never convinced this day would not come.

    So, I continued to love him and he me….then one day, a younger woman (someone his age and from the same country in Europe) came to work at the place we both work together and you know the rest of the story. He cast off the old pair of shoes (me) for some new ones.

    He abruptly cut me from his life but daily I see them knowing they are building a relationship. I try to avoid the lunchroom, coffee station, etc. when I know they are there but because of my position and the work, we all still must interact. NC is almost impossible.

    I’m in therapy, taking medication and have moment where I think I am “okay” but then I drop into deep despair.


  14. on March 28, 2008 at 11:55 am Hondo Lane

    Kalo82 - I know what you mean about parents being overseas. This breakup I’m in my hometown. But my last breakup started when I was living overseas. That is a hard situation. But the best was when my mom called me one day and after hearing the sorrow in my voice said, “Do you want me to hop on a plane and come kick his ass? Because I will.” So, historically, my parents have pretty much rocked.

    It’s funny, because when this current breakup began, I knew I wanted to handle it differently than I did my previous breakup. The last time I really thought the pain would kill me, and I handled it as unhealthily as a person could. Ironically, someone else who has currently been helping me is that previous ex. Somehow, we reconnected as friends during the last year. It’s been 5 years since that breakup and we went 2 years without speaking. When everything started going down with this breakup, I began asking the previous ex questions like: should I call?, will he call?, etc. Fancy asking your previous ex those questions. To my prvious ex’s credit, he repeated that he didn’t want to give advice, except that I definitely shouldn’t call. He’s been instrumental in my not contacting my current ex. Through the last three months, I’ve found out more about the demise of my previous relationship, which has helped me understand what may have happened in my most recent relationship.

    In essence, I’ve been given a lot of answers I was praying for in the previous breakup. And none of them have mattered. That helps me understand that Susan is right, that getting the answers doesn’t matter and won’t change things. So for this current breakup bullshite I am able to remember that I survived the other one, and did so without knowing what I feel like I “need” to know to move on.

    This too shall, indeed, pass.


  15. on March 28, 2008 at 12:14 pm Kalo82

    That’s exactly what my dad said “this too shall pass”
    my mom has been great in just saying that its ok to cry…to let it out. so i cry on the phone with her. i’ve cried on the phone with my dad and at first i knew he felt a little awkward, but he jumped right in and said that it would hurt/be painful for a while…but that i’ll be ok.
    they’ve been awesome . i cant wait for them to visit in may!

    i too have handled this break up different frm my other “pseudo” break-ups with the same ex. we broke up 2-3 times while in a heated argument/fight…but it never lasted more than 24 hours. i always begged to just get over it and start new. and i remember thinking “oh god, i could NEVER handle a real break-up with bananahead…i dont know what i’d do..i’d have to take medication to get over him”….i even thought about that movie “eternal sunshine of the spotless mind” and how it might be best, if it was even possible, to erase the memories. but i knew in the end that i’d never want that.
    however, when we really broke up 2 months ago…it was b/c it was nearing our 4th year together and he never talked about marriage or engagement or even talking about talking about engagement. when he siad the words to me “i dont know what a reasonable amount of doubt it”…i knew it was over.
    and i never begged for him back…or to make things work. in my heart, i truely think i realized then that this was more real than any other fight or “break-up” we’ve gone though….i guess my eyes just opened….and i was just instantly mature about this break-up. i am surprised at how i never called to try and make things work like in the past…b/c i think i truely knew deep down that this was real. this was it~ i also knew that i wanted to leave this relationship with dignity and self-respect. i didnt want to do anything i’d regret later (like the many regrets of begging to make things work in the past). i wanted to leave with class! and i did just that.

    i deserve someone who will fight for me…who i will never have to question his feelings/emotions! i know i am a great person. this break-up has made me realize my self-worth and how i so much deserve the world frm a guy b/c that is what i am willing to give to him. i know i will find someone who will make me unbelievably happy! i’m a great catch and i know it! it’s too bad bananhead didnt see that! not my problem..HIS!


  16. on March 28, 2008 at 1:17 pm Hondo Lane

    kalo82 - Amen and hallelujah to that.

    The breakup started in Sept 07 and lasted until Dec 07. I thought we were ‘working on things’, which turned out to be ME working on things and him getting up the courage to say he didn’t want to. Yesterday I was going through my contacts in my email and came across his. I went to click on it, with the intention of deleting it. When I opened the contact, apparently in an effort keep myself from making contact with him I had written the following: “On Dec 30 2007 Banahead broke my heart. He said he could not see spending his life with me, and would be lying to himself if he tried. He said all of that. All of that.” I have no recollection of having written that, but I must have in the hours after the breakup because I knew at some point I’d break down and want to contact him.

    Looks like even in the heat of the moment of the breakup I was trying to get better!


  17. on March 28, 2008 at 1:18 pm Denise

    I should maybe clarifywhen I said that many times I thought to break up with him, I know that my own fear of abandonment made me think this way but also the reality of the situation.

    He is doing the right things for him in terms of what he wants out of his life (he says he wants children (naturally), he wants to be with someone who will likely live as long as him (I’m more than 15 years older than him), etc. but he went from being my best friend (not just lover/companion) with whom I spoke to, saw, shared life with daily to someone who barely gives me the time of day.

    I went from being/feeling important in his life to feeling like it was and I am nothing. This is the part that has been hard to reconcile and move on from.


  18. on March 28, 2008 at 2:35 pm Kalo82

    Hondo Lane,
    That’s great you saw that note. i didnt relaly keep a journal when i was with my ex….but once in a while, whenver we got into a big fight…i’d scribble on a piece of paper…and most of the time i’d throw the paper out when i was done. well i’ve kept a few bad ones. when i was packing up to move out, i found some of these ‘journal’ entries and it just clarified to me agian all that was wrong in our relationship—the things he siad that hurt me. in some of the journal notes, i’d just quote the hurtful things he said to me. he would curse a lot and i am not a big curser. i hate curse words…they are just so ugly and are full of hate.
    in a way, it was bitter sweet to read those entries…b/c i would remember how much i was hurt.
    plus i’d find old emails to friends in which i wrote abuotmy ex’s lack of verbal commitment to me and how said i was…and how he’d make excuses for why he wasnt ready. it was good to read those again bc it confirmed sometihng that has been going on for a long time.
    although the break-up seemed sudden…the issues had been dragging out this whole time.
    it gave me that sense of closure….that we had to break-up. that this jsut wasnt a fight. my old notes showed me that this is not a person i want to be with.

    anyways–im glad you saw that!

    have a great weekend!

    im going for a run. it makes me feel so good. when the break-up was new, running was my release. the sadness nad anxiety seeped out into the air when i went running. i didnt think of my ex as much. and when i did, the thoughts drifted into the air and diappeared…as opposed to me being alone in our apartment and thoughts of him being trapped in the room.
    running/excerising is a great relief! and it’s good for you!!!!!


  19. on March 28, 2008 at 3:18 pm seeif

    Denise,

    Letting go of the everyday part of the relationship was the hardest part. Even though I was in a long-distance relationship, I counted on talking to my ex every couple of days, and did. Letting go of hearing someone tell me they loved me and missed me every time I talked to them was EXTREMELY difficult. Letting go the nuts and bolts stuff hurt…and sometimes, it still does.

    I want to say that for me grieving, experiencing the pain, according to MY schedule was very important. If I’ve learned anything from the sharings on this blog: each person grieves in his/her unique way. It was important for me not to put a time frame on how long I could grieve. However, it was important for me to acknowledge and feel and express my pain: to myself and another human being.

    As Susan has pointed out in other posts, there’s a difference between grieving “feeling deep emotions” from loss, and “wallowing in self-pity.” The other side of self-pity can be this feeling that I must buck up, zip up my mouth and feelings, and just go back to life. If I had to err on the side of self-pity or buck up, I’d definitely choose self-pity. Because at least I’m having my feelings.

    Those of us who are from dysfunctional families( and there may be a few of you out there who are from loving, supportive, giving families), tend to tamp down, rather than bring up, feelings of any kind. So I say if you’re feeling pain, rah rah, you are allowing yourself to feel. I can’t afford to judge myself for feeling. There are way too many people who are more than happy to do that.

    When I was in the most intense part of the pain, I tried to just say, “There, there…” and “You are doing SUCH a good job of feeling, I’m very proud of you.” And, you know what, I moved through it. I didn’t rush myself. I didn’t judge myself. And, I never said, “Are you still doing THAT?”

    One of the posts/articles that helped me the most was Susan’s article on “Mourning Theory.” Reading it gave me a sense of how grief can work;how very, very important it is not to preempt it. (Because then I’ll just have to deal with later.)

    So I say to you, Denise, “There, there… and, yes, it does hurt. And, go ahead and take as much time as you need to feel how very sad it is to lose such a good friend.”

    Another thing that has helped me is trusting myself, trusting myself to feel what I feel when the feelings come to me. By doing that I honored myself, my feelings, and moved through the grief with integrity.

    Take care, Denise. It takes a lot of courage to feel what you’re feeling.

    Seeif

    What has


  20. on March 28, 2008 at 3:36 pm Hope

    Denise - that is the part that I am having the most difficulty with as well. Going from his “princess” to not even a thought in his mind, and so quickly without legitmate reason. My thoughts and prayers are with you during this difficult time!

    Seeif - I think the fact that my relationship was LDR for 2 years is hindering my recovery as well. I was so used to having my time during the week that some days I almost think we are still together, and then the weekends come and it is a devastating reality. It is like when you lose someone who lives far away, in your mind you know they are not, but your heart thinks they are still there.


  21. on March 28, 2008 at 3:36 pm Hope

    Susan - I wish I could get it.


  22. on March 28, 2008 at 4:33 pm Rama

    Hope you can’t get it if you don’t stop asking the questin. Everyone of your posts is about wanting or needing a legitimate reason and all the questions. The answers don’t matter. But you have to stop asking the question.


  23. on March 28, 2008 at 4:44 pm Hope

    I’m sorry, I dont want to be that annoying person that just doesn’t get it.


  24. on March 28, 2008 at 4:48 pm Rama

    You are not the annoying person who doesn’t get it. You CAN get it but you have got to DO something and that something is stop asking those questions.


  25. on March 28, 2008 at 4:53 pm Denise

    Hope–thank you for your kind words. For me, I believe he has legitimate reason for moving on…..which is what he wants in his life. I cannot deny him that. And I understand that his pre-occupation with his new romance is all-consumsing for him. I think, in many ways, he is immature in his approach to relationships but that is his life. I am having trouble dealing with MY life which feels more empty now and being cast off like a used pair of shoes has really cut me deeply.

    Seeif–thank you also for the empathetic response. Ihave been grieving this since January (actually saw it coming since last November but fooled myself into thinking it was/would be ok since we were still “together”. The moments of deep deep despair are the worst (and surprising) because I think I am moving on/haved moved on and I am slammed with overwhelming grief which is only magnified when I have to see the two of them together in the office everyday and knowing he has spent the night at her house and vice versa. I want to just not are but I’m not there yet. AND I have plenty of things in my life I should be happy about….I have wonderful healthy successful smart sons, good friends, a good job (which I will loose if I don’t get my act together soon) and am doing volunteer work at Gilda’s House….but the grief is making me loose interest in everything.


  26. on March 28, 2008 at 6:43 pm abbychaya

    Denise I feel for you I really do.. but you are so much the bigger person for holding your head up and they are just.. well.. idiots… for flaunting their relationship in fron tof you..

    Like you I had to deal with a ‘new relationship’ five minutes after we split last year.. He denied there was anything at all before but it seems a bit unlikely.. Especially as they are now planning to go travelling abroad together

    It will get easier.. I’m now at the stage (8/9 months in) where hours do go by and I haven’ t recycled.. as compared to minutes..

    I even wish them well together! because I know how much better off I am alone than with someone who doesn’t love me

    peace
    abbyx


  27. on March 28, 2008 at 6:48 pm abbychaya

    Also Hope.. thanks for keeping me in your thoughts.

    Yeah.. I feel better I really do… knowing that I can do this and my life is good without him, or any man at the moment.. is priceless

    That is not to say the grief and the feelings of rejection, abandonment etc, are not still there

    I still reel at the thought of how he cast me (and my son!) away like old shoes.. never to be seen or thought of again

    But that is his loss.. and I truly believe it

    Stay strong.. all of you
    Abbyx


  28. on March 28, 2008 at 7:04 pm Michael.

    Hope-

    Don’t get discouraged. It is understandable, and I’m guessing this is probably your first true love ? The only reason why I am guessing that is because virtually everything that you experienced (including the break up 6 months ago) is like mine. Its kinda like looking into a mirror. My ex was anyway. Not my first person to date, but first person I dated for the longest and fell head over heels for.

    I’m chilling alone in my apt right now trying very hard to think of what I can do tonight so that I don’t go crazy. lol.


  29. on March 28, 2008 at 8:25 pm Serenity

    Hope, I’m one of those people who has to have answers…so I read and read and tried to figure out my ex; and I think I have an answer I’m satisfied with…and while I was doing the researching I figured out the most important thing I needed to do was figure out what “dance” we were doing so that I could avoid all such dances in the future. I really had an inner imperative to figure him out- my first therapist didn’t want me to go there because it felt to him as if I were exercising codependent behavior and still keeping the focus off me– but in retrospect, it has been one o the better things I’ve done. Have you done the Relationship Inventory? And have you read the books on codependency Susan recommends?


  30. on March 28, 2008 at 8:45 pm susangpyp

    I agree that there is some utility in figuring out what his problem was so you can figure out what your problem is.

    I read Men Who Hate Women and The Women That Love Them and figured my ex to be a misogynist and the real question was why was I with him. I looked at commitmentphobes when I went through that stage and the question was “why was I with him?”

    I do think that Hope needs to ask different questions…not why did he do this, not what happened but who was he and what was I doing with him?


  31. on March 28, 2008 at 9:20 pm Aubrey

    Susan, I still don’t know how you know exactly what to post when-but somehow you do! I was just thinking that I was over him. I have gone out on dates with other guys, I go out with friends, I do lots of things. But, when the other dates don’t work or I find myself sitting at home, he does end up on my mind. Lately when I drive, I find myself looking for his car, which is honestly ridiculous since I live in a pretty big city and the odds of seeing him are about the same as being hit by lightning.

    I guess I’m wondering if maybe I’m really not over him? I think another issue is our past pattern has been we reconnect about 3 months after NC and that’s coming up. I made a deal with myself that I’m not going to do anything, but I find myself thinking if he will do anything to contact me. Sometimes it’s not a conscious thought, I grab my phone and check for text messages. I check my emails looking for his name.

    I was just wondering if anyone else goes through this or if I need to do some more relationship work? In the past I would be acting on my thoughts but I’m not now and wondering what I need to do for myself….. Thanks for your help


  32. on March 29, 2008 at 10:46 am JHSBB

    Dear Aubrey,

    The first few months of my break-up, I too constantly checked my messages and e-mail to see if there was anything from him. There never was. I too also looked for his car, especially if I seen one that looked somewhat similar or the same color. I used to think it came from not having closure and not having answers to what I once thought were necessary questions. Susan, is right though. The answers really don’t matter and they will never be what we need to hear anyway. I learned from this site that it was probably my need to search. In the very beginning, I’m sad to say that I lived for those answers. I was so self absorbed in the answers themselves that nothing else seemed to matter. Today is exactly four months, I learned of my ex’s new gf. It really does get better with time. It’s hard, but each day will bring you forwards, despite how many setbacks life brings our way. Time really does make things better. I still have days I don’t want to be around anyone, but I’m slowly pushing myself forwards by coming to this site everyday; jounaling every night; walking; working and just keeping busy. I still think constantly about my ex and that is something I really have to work on and try harder at. Everything still reminds me of him. The positive is that I no longer check my answering machine or e-mail for messages because I now realize that there won’t be any. Now, I’m at a point where I’m fine with that, most of the time anyway. I know that that sounds a bit harsh, but I had to realize for myself that I had to stop checking as constantly as I did. I noticed that as time has passed, I have new questions. The old questions no longer matter and I trust the same to be true as times goes by for the new ones.

    Denise,

    While my situation is a little different than yours, I do know how you feel and what you are going through. It saddens me that you have to constantly see him at work and this makes it more difficult. I know it’s hard to see, but you do have a lot going for you. Sometimes, when we are so down, we forget the importance of everything else. My ex and I are the same age. We were together 10 years before he met someone else. When that did not work out, I took him back for almost 8 months. He met someone 14 years younger and is still with her. He never wanted children and the reason for the first time we broke up was because I nagged too much for some type of commitment. I never should have taken him back the second time because I totally lost my self respect and I too have my own fear of abandonment. You are better than your ex and you deserve far better than him. He is extremely immature for carrying on the way he does in front of you. Your heart deserves better than that and someday, there will be someone better deserving of your heart.


  33. on March 29, 2008 at 12:43 pm Newday

    Hi all, first post here and like so many others I am so relieved to find this site!

    Denise, my situation is a bit like yours but thank God we no longer work together. And I think he’s left me because he simply loves his future more than he loves me - not because of anyone else. He’s 9 years my junior (I’m 37 - who ever would have thought I’d be an ‘old shoe’ at this age!). I convinced myself early on that age was not that big an issue - he’s very mature (or I thought he was) and most of his friends are my age. But, after 2.5 yrs the reason for our breakup is crystal clear and there is no arguing it. He wants to get a graduate degree thousands of miles away and explore life, and by the time he gets where he hopes to be it would be too late to have children ‘naturally’ (which it sounds like is the word your ex used too!). Not that he’s sure he wants kids (I don’t), but he needs to keep his options open. So, I told him I respected his decision, and not to contact me anymore. Interestingly I have no urge to contact him as there is really not a thing to say at this point. I know the NC I laid down surprised him b/c I loved him so much and supported him in everything he did, so I don’t think he expected that I wouldn’t be happy to be his friend/confidant/advice giver for the next few months before he leaves. No thanks, I’m done.

    I think I am having trouble moving on b/c I let this go on for so long - meaning I KNEW he was applying to schools (and helped him, in fact) and I chose not to ask him what our future was….because I knew this might be the answer and I wanted to delay the pain that I knew would occur, and that I am now experiencing. Is that ridiculous, or human nature? And of course he claimed that since he didn’t know if he would get in or if he really wanted to actually go, he didn’t stop to think about the ramifications. Anyway. Every morning (this has been about 3 weeks), I wake up and think: You knew this was likely to happen, why do you keep dwelling on it? But every moment of the past 2.5 years has been great (except the obvious - two people living together and one planning to move away! Lol, it sound so ridiculous when I type it). So I suppose I wouldn’t trade the great times. It’s just a harsh, harsh reality to be back alone while he sails off into his sunny future.

    Thank you all for being here and for unfortunately going through similar pain at the same time. Your posts help so much more than any conversation with a friend who says “don’t worry - you still look really young” or “he’ll always regret this.” Neither of those is the point. The point is accepting and moving on, which very few people I talk to seem to be able to relate to! It’s always, maybe he’ll wake up in a year and want you back, maybe this, maybe that. That just doesn’t help.


  34. on March 29, 2008 at 1:05 pm Serenity

    Newday,
    Yes it is a new day! Good for you on the NC.

    And I have to say I have to fight myself on the self-blame “you made a mistake” talk too. But look- there’s a reason I was with a guy who couldn’t commit, and I was doing my absolute best at the time. *I was doing the best I could, and I didn’t have all the self-knowledge and X-knowledge I have now*. And I’m not the same person (fool me once, shame on you…).

    So let’s work on changing our harsh realities to glowing ones. We don’t need *them* to do what we have to do. We need us.


  35. on March 30, 2008 at 12:17 am bluebird

    Serenity,

    Great post—thanks (as ever) for those last three lines, just the ones I needed. I’ve made the decision to move on, but need to remember to take me (new improved version) with me when I go. (-; I’ve finally gotten to the point where I would NOT want him back. (!!!) (Very different from just WANTING to not want him.) That took forever, it seemed, and so many tears and so much of the self-blame you spoke of, but I feel like it will all be worth it if I can just remember everything I’ve learned when out in the real world of loving and relating again. I’m not quite there yet, I don’t think, but I’ve begun to imagine it, at least (instead of looking up nunneries in the Yellow Pages), which comes under the heading of A Whole Hell of a Lot of Progress. (-; Here’s to Susan and this place and all the great souls here. Like you.

    Hope you’re good there tonight, and thanks for the good words!


  36. on March 30, 2008 at 4:29 am abbychaya

    New Day! Serenity! bluebird!

    I just want to chime in.. New Day.. I relate so much.. ;like you my ex made plans that didn’t really include me (like planning to go travelling someday and now he’s off with the gf he left me for!) and I didn’t really listen to those signs.. the self blame of ‘making a mistake’ is easy to get into as well as imagining them off on the good ship ‘happy ever after’…

    I look at it this way now. He did me a favour.. he may or may not in the long run come to regret it, but I doubt it.. and there is NO Point in ever holding out for or even imagining that. Since I let go of ” I hope he gets his” I feel so much freer and more able to concentrate on me!

    Its like he was renting space in my head for so long.. and finally I gave him his eviction notice!

    Good luck to you, keep reading here you will find it very helpful

    Bluebird and Serenity, as always your posts fill me with hope and always bring a smile.. thanks so much

    Abbyx


  37. on March 30, 2008 at 6:51 am Mayee

    JHSBB, so it was 4 month anniversary when you came to know about the new girl in ex’s life. For me it was 1 month anniversary! Literally on the same date of this month. Not just of new girl but also of his engagement to her withing a week of our break-up!! And like you, I had that feeling of searching for him. It was mostly at the back of my mind even though I knew well before that he had grown distant. I talked to a common friend of ours yesterday and made her tell me how he behaves with her. Now every time my mind would throw a scene where I picture us together again, I stamp on it very hard this new picture of them together and happy. It shatters the hope and in the process heart as well. But the rope to that past needs a severe blow because that rope is strong as we were together - and spending every spare moment together - for 5 years.

    Like I said before, I am in India because he wanted us to get married in India, nd he is in US. The distance is a bit of blessing and a bit of curse. There are no physical things here to remind me of him. (And yet, I remember him so many times and for so many odly insignificant things… Also, there are about a million and half photos of us/him on the computer, no escaping from that. But I am not looking at them.) Also, being in India means being closer to family and old friends which means a fantastic support system. Bad thing about the distance is that I will never truly get it that he has a new girl because I have never seen them together. So that rope to the past will never be truly cut. And there will always be a residual hope even though I go through hope-shattering exercise many times.

    abbychaya, I too was so insistent that he sould “get what I am saying”. But for the last month, I have been stamping on that as well. You are right. It IS like he is renting this space in my head. It will still take me a while to give him eviction notice. But it’s getting typed for sure!


  38. on March 30, 2008 at 8:53 am JHSBB

    Mayee,

    I know it’s hard to believe now, but you don’t want to see them together anyway. It would hurt beyond words. I’ve often wondered what my ex’s gf looks like and I’ve imagined her as being so much more perfect than me. As a very dear cousin pointed out to me recently, even if I did meet her and saw what she looked like or how she is, I would continually find fault with myself, no matter how good or bad of a person she is. In other words, it’s doesn’t matter what she looks like or how they look together. No contact is no contact. If you see him once, you will want to see him again. Like you, I have to get him out of my head and as Susan and a lot of other people have said, you are wasting time on him when you should be thinking about you! The more I hear it on this site and the more I say it to myself, I hope to one day make this an automatic habit. It’s hard, but I don’t think of her as often anymore as I do him. It takes time. I dread the day I learn he too will be engaged. Hopefully, I will never find out and hopefully I will be at a more advanced state of dealing with my pain, that the blow will not have as hard of an impact. I was told by another cousin that you never really forget, but that it does get better with time. I’m re-reading and evaluating past journal entries and even though I still very sad and cry a lot, I’m not as devastated as I initially was. It does get better. Soon that rope will fray enough and break when you least expect it!


  39. on March 30, 2008 at 10:55 am Mayee

    JHSBB,

    I actually knew about this new girl from my ex himself, before the break-up. He used to tell me about 3 months back how finds her shallow. He had sent a photo of a party during that time. It’s such an ironic photo! Our common friend had told me that she was after guy A before she went after my ex. That photo is of this girl with her hands on A’ and ex’s shoulder! So I have seen her. I don’t care how she looks or how she is. (According to the common friend, she is quite disliked among the circle.) But it doesn’t matter. Because eventually she is with him. Even though she might have been the one to go after him, he went with her. Even after what he thought about her. You are right. It will be painful if I see them together. Surprisingly, even after hearing so bad about her from the common friend, I don’t hate her. Maybe becacuse, I haven’t accepted it yet fully. Like I said, because of distance, it will always be somewhat surreal to me. But the hurt has crossed all the geographical boundaries.

    It’s the statement like the one at the end of your post that are the hope for me :) Thanks!


  40. on March 30, 2008 at 11:43 am Newday

    Abby - thank you so much. Eviction notice, I love it and will use that!
    Serenity - you got it, I like the glowing realities too. Thank you.


  41. on March 30, 2008 at 12:06 pm JHSBB

    Mayee,

    Accepting it is a very long process, but as I’ve learned here, it’ also a process that makes you wiser and stronger. While I know and realize it is over, sometimes I wake up to the initial shock of it again and again. My acceptance of it is getting somewhat better. It will for you too. In a way, I’m happy I never got to see her because for me, that would not have been the end. I would have wanted to find out more and more. Now, I’m just happy to have a good day where I don’t feel bad. I don’t hate his gf either. Actually, I feel nothing for her. Previously, a mutual friend of ours told me that his gf said I was manipulative. This remark hurt me a great deal because I have never met her and anything she knows about me, was learned from him. I won’t judge her or even him because that would make me just as bad. It doesn’t mean the remark hurts any less because it still hurts. I quit asking how he is doing to our mutual friends because as I learned here, it’s hold me back from moving forwards. The less I know, the better off I am. It’s hard, but it was one of the many things that was in fact holding me back. You too must move forwards - “baby steps, one day at a time”.


  42. on March 30, 2008 at 12:24 pm kalo82

    I def like the word “accepting” more than closure. this blog is the best. dont you wish you could just go out for coffee and a conversation with any one who writes here! it’s so amazigng to hear everyone’s progress. i even have to reminice on my own progress from the first time i started reading this blog.
    i am def more accepting of the break-up and think i am doing well…but also realize the pain is still there and very much alive….but i’ve been trying to move past it. i’ve had my tears, i journal….i’m ok….i have my bad days of course…but i also see the amazing progress. i NEVER thought i’d be this ok. my ex and i had our pseduo break-ups and i was a mess….i’d lower myself and lose all self-respect and beg to make things work. but this last time,…when he told me he had doubts (after being together 4 years)…i knew it was so real and i could no longer live or stay with someone who felt this way about me. everyone tells me how strong i am for making that decision and i realize it now…but at the time, i didnt see any other way…any other choice. why would i stay another moment with someone who is telling me to my face he has doubts…and only told me this AFTER i asked! phew…i am in such a better place now. i do, of course, still love him. he was/is a good but…but like susan says…he is a good guy WHO HURT ME….and the latter part is the most important!
    i went to church today by myself–something i havnet done in so long. it gave me a sense of solace. i know my ex would not have come willingly with me.

    and now i am studying for the GRE’s…somethiing i put aside when i was with my ex b/c i was happy with the way things were going.
    but remmeber people–you need 2 wholes to make a relationship…not 2 halves!


  43. on March 30, 2008 at 1:50 pm Mayee

    Quote from JHSBB’s post: “While I know and realize it’s over, I wake up to the initial shock over and over again.”

    Yeah… Even tears don’t seem to flow when I want them…


  44. on March 30, 2008 at 3:17 pm Newday

    Kalo82 - I agree with the great conversations to be had by all the posters here. It’s funny - I just got back from church by myself too. I got teary during a baptism and tried to pass it off as being moved by the ceremony. :) My ex would rather pull off his fingernails than go to church, too.

    You and I are on the same page. If I had to ask (and I did) and someone could look me in the eye and say that I’m ‘one of the ones….but maybe not the One” - what else is there to talk about? People are so amazed to hear a woman being ’strong’ - but seriously, what other option did we have?

    Good luck on the GREs….and good for you for focusing on yourself.


  45. on March 30, 2008 at 3:34 pm kalo82

    I think that some peolple might have stayed in that situation….and i guess in a way i did for longer than i shold have. my ex and i were together 4 years. we moved in together the last year of our relationship and things were giong well (minus his verbal commitment). marriage was mentioned every once in a while…..but he never made me feel confident that he wanted to marry me/that he couldnt wait to marry me/that i was definitely the one. i even felt a little awkward bringing it up….and i always knew in my head that i should not have felt awkward to ask my bf of 4 years about marriage!
    he would make up excuses….not old enough, not financially stable enough (which is total BS)….so i guess it was all festering up inside me and when we had that last conservation, he looked me in the eye and said “i just dont know what a reasonable amount of doubt is”…..exact words.
    i found a new apartment in 3 days (thanks to craigslist) and we were able to get out of our current lease early (thanks again for craigslist). of course i wanted to ask all these questions afterwads about his doubts…where they came frm, why it took me asking him for him to reveal this, were the doubts about marrying me or just marrying in general, etc. but after time (and good thing i waited it out)…i realized i didnt need those answers….if he could even provide answers…b/c THEY DIDNT MATTER!
    i deserve someone who i dont have to question their feelings/emotions about me.

    thanks for the message. i cant say enough how great this community is!

    have a wonderful sunday everyone. im going to Target to get a cord to finally hook up my DVD…and maybe i’ll rent a movie :)


  46. on March 30, 2008 at 3:37 pm bluebird

    kalo82,

    Good for you!, about your GREs—that’s so great! And thanks for the 2 wholes, not 2 halves idea. Yes, definitely! I’m so glad you’re in a better place now. Keep being good to yourself—you deserve lots of love in your life. i know you’ll find it.

    JHSBB,

    Yes, you’re so right: the less we know about what’s in their (banana)heads, the better off we are, the freer we are, the closer to the lives we’re meant to find (which include people who can love us back). Hang in there! You are sounding stronger by the hour. (-;

    Abby,

    Thanks for the eviction notice idea. Yes! What I had to do was realize how long that house had been empty already. I guess you could say I’m in the process of redecorating now. Don’t know yet what the rooms will hold, but I’m starting to feel some excitement about the whole thing. Who’d have thought we’d ever get to this point, eh?

    Love and strength to all you newcomers to the site. You will make it, if you just hang in there. There is life after all the sadness, and keep remembering that someone out there is waiting for you to feel better so you can share this beautiful world. (-;


  47. on March 30, 2008 at 4:18 pm kalo82

    bluebird,
    my friend told me about the 2 wholes make a relationship, not 2 halves—b/c you have to remember to build your life first! you have to make sure that you are able to take care of yourself and support yourself, even if you are in a relationship.
    i put off grad school b/c i was happy with my current situation at the time. if i had stayed in that relationship and we got married, had a family—what if my ex decided he had doubts 10 years later…and we divorced? i would have never gotten my graduate degree and i’d be SOL.
    it’s so important to take care of #1…and its too bad im only realizing this after my break-up. better now than later!

    :)


  48. on March 30, 2008 at 6:06 pm Serenity

    I’m starting to see where I want to be but I’m not there. I’m in this frustrating in-between space with stuff I don’t want in my head. On Susan’s goal-setting mp3 she talks about envisioning what you want yourself to be. I want myself to be totally over all of it, and without any of that ex drama and stuff in my head… I want to really find and be in touch with me…


  49. on March 31, 2008 at 12:41 am bluebird

    Serenity,

    I know we all have changes we want to make, but you seem so great already. So just that I hope you know what seems so obvious, I imagine, to everyone here. (-; Frankly, I don’t know whether I’ll ever be totally over all of this. I guess I’m something of an oddling in the world. So is he, and that part of us that really understood one another and rejoiced in finding a kindred is a great loss to me and one that I maybe always will regret. Not sure. I do know that I’ve been completely surprised by each bit of progress I’ve made (whoa!) and never thought I’d feel any better, but I do now. Somewhat. So instead of getting rid of all of the love, I am trying to make a place for it somewhere in my life, whatever form it ends up taking. Maybe letting my past off the hook, maybe in reaching out to other people, maybe in my dreams. I don’t want to eradicate it, because for me the love was real; I want to use it somehow. Does that make any sense? And somehow I keep feeling that unless I can figure out how to love who I am right now, today, in all my ridiculous imperfection, I’m never going to be able to change my life. Chicken or egg. i don’t really know which comes first. But my feeling is that real love (I think most of us here really loved our exes) never really goes away, but is just transformed into some kind of light.


  50. on March 31, 2008 at 4:30 am abbychaya

    Bluebird.. I know exactly what you mean.. I truly loved my ex.. with all that I had.. I believed he and I were an energy together and that he would realise how precious that was.. once it ws gone.. But he didin’t…. His love (or what he called love) wasn’t true.. but mine was and I have transformed it.. back into my work.. my dance and the people in my life who deserve it.. I dont mean he doesnt’ deserve love, all humans do.. but he wont’ ever truly know it.. I feel sorry/bad for him there..

    Serenity.. I know about the stuff-you-don’t-want.. those voices are really hard to tune out.. you will be over it.. you are over it.. you are just in the last past of the process.. for me.. the final bit of the jigsaw came today.. A friend (this one who has seen him a few times at yoga) said she saw him a few weeks ago and he was in this really BLACK mood and really rude to her!

    So he has not changed.. is not more ‘open hearted’ as he said last year after we split

    Which makes my suffering and struggling and asking ‘why why’ and ‘how how’ all a bit pointless. he changed the scenery but didn’t change his own landscape…

    good luck and good bye.. I say

    Better get to LIvin’ as Dolly Parton says!

    take care
    Abbyxx


  51. on March 31, 2008 at 8:39 am Kalo82

    Abby,
    I feel the same exact way–I know my loved (and still do to an extent…it’s been 2 months since we split) my ex with everything that I had. I didnt hold anything back. I jsut felt so much love for him and it made me so happy to have that love. I too thought he would relaize the loss of my love, but he hasn’t contacted me since I started total NC. Sometimes I think it is b.c he is hardheaded….but true love should not be hardheaded. It hurts that he hasn’t come back—but then I have to keep remembering that I do not want to be with someone who doesn’t fight for the relationship or for me.
    We all deserve more—we all deserve someone who will reciprocate the love that we have to give.
    But I do wonder about the future. Will I always wonder about him every now and again? Even when I am old and sitting in my rocking chair—will I think of him and his grandchildren and their lives? I get sad at that thought….but I also think, I will have to have met someone amazing–someone who will make me forget my ex and life that was.
    Anyways—just ranting. I was thinking about my ex last night and wondering what he was thinking…even though, as Susan says, IT DOESN’T MATTER!

    Oh well. The hurt/pain is definitely still there.


  52. on March 31, 2008 at 10:30 am Serenity

    Hmm, when I say I want to be over it, I mean the pain and suffering and grief and obsession and constant knowledge that someone who I made a huge part of my life is out of it forever and there’s probably NEVER going to be a connection again. As far as the love goes- well, there’s no point in loving him the way I did before- he’s out of my life. I think this is not something I need to care about- I want serenity for myself, and let the other chips fall where they may in accordance.

    And guys, I think I am a MESS right now.


  53. on March 31, 2008 at 10:43 am abbychaya

    Serenity.. Right there with you.. I still have those moments where I almost do a double take and realise we will never speak again..

    The grief will go.. I know I felt the same way as you.. that not a day went by and I didn’t have the same tape of why why why and how how how and yada yada.. in my head.. but it has quietened down…

    You aren’t a mess.. you are doing really well and have helped so many people here..

    Dont give up - braveheart!
    Abbx

    Abbyxx


  54. on March 31, 2008 at 5:33 pm bluebird

    Serenity,

    “Hey, “friendgirl” (-;, you will be OK. I think I am further out from the drama than you, and things have quieted down, as Abby said, yet the feelings you describe are exactly the ones I experienced, and do sometimes even now, though not with the same frequency or intensity. I think maybe it’s just a little bit more time you need, and you’re giving yourself that. If you are a mess, then I am, we all are, right there with you! Hey, fellow messes, how’s it going today? (-;)

    But you know what? It’s OK to be a mess. It’s maybe even good sometimes. Did you recommend the Martha Beck book to Seeif? I found this great article of M.’s, which I think you can find on the Oprah site if you want the whole thing (too long for here), the gist of which is that sometimes we NEED to “dissolve” in order to become something new:

    from GROWING WINGS: THE PHASES OF HUMAN METAMORPHOSIS

    By Martha Beck

    What goes on in the cocoon of change isn’t always pretty, but the results can be beautiful. Martha Beck talks you through the four phases of human metamorphosis. Get ready to fly!

    “I used to think I knew how some caterpillars become butterflies. I assumed they weave cocoons, then sit inside growing six long legs, four wings, and so on. I figured if I were to cut open a cocoon, I’d find a butterfly-ish caterpillar, or a caterpillar-ish butterfly, depending on how far things had progressed. I was wrong. In fact, the first thing caterpillars do in their cocoons is shed their skin, leaving a soft, rubbery chrysalis. If you were to look inside the cocoon early on, you’d find nothing but a puddle of glop. But in that glop are certain cells, called imago cells, that contain the DNA-coded instructions for turning bug soup into a delicate, winged creature—the angel of the dead caterpillar…

    Any transition serious enough to alter your definition of self will require not just small adjustments in your way of living and thinking but a full-on metamorphosis. I don’t know if this is emotionally stressful for caterpillars, but for humans it can be hell on wheels. The best way to minimize trauma is to understand the process…”

    M. says you sort of turn into “person soup” for a while (-; (yeah, this sounds VERY familiar somehow!), which is scary as hell, but is actually natural and desireable, and is leading us somewhere, changing us into something beautiful, even though we’re so lost sometimes we’re afraid to hope for that. She says in the first phase you should do the following:

    “In Phase One, live one day (or ten minutes) at a time. Instead of dwelling on hopes and fears about an unknowable future, focus your attention on whatever is happening right now.

    “Cocoon” by caring for yourself in physical, immediate ways. Wrap yourself in a blanket, make yourself a cup of hot tea, attend an exercise class, whatever feels comforting.

    Talk to others who have gone through a metamorphosis. If you don’t have a wise relative or friend, a therapist can be a source of reassurance. [Or this site!]

    Let yourself grieve. Even if you are leaving an unpleasant situation (a bad marriage, a job you didn’t like), you’ll probably go through the normal human response to any loss: the emotional roller coaster called the grieving process. You’ll cycle through denial, anger, sadness, and acceptance many times. Just experiencing these feelings will help them pass more quickly.

    If you think this sounds frustratingly passive, you’re right. Dissolving isn’t something you do; it’s something that happens to you. The closest you’ll come to controlling it is relaxing and trusting the process.”

    Serenity, I know you are already doing these things, and more, by putting yourself out there and meeting new people, and by supporting people here. No, don’t love him like you did in the past, but it’s OK, at least I personally feel, not to feel foolish for what you were giving back then. People are so complicated and ultimately mysterious creatures that it’s really impossible to know what another person’s experience of anything is. On your side, I have no doubt but that you gave real love, as you do here. And that means you will have it to give to somebody else, whenever YOU are ready. You may feel like a mess today (yesterday, it was me! and quite possibly tomorrow (-;), but you, my dear, are going to be one helluva butterfly when the time is right!

    I think we all are.

    Love to all the Person Soups out there tonight. There must be some wings in here somewhere!


  55. on March 31, 2008 at 5:39 pm bluebird

    Abby,

    It does my heart good to hear you sounding so great! I know you loved him, but somehow he is the one I feel sorry for (though not TOO much) because he lost so much, whereas you’ve found yourself. And you’re still finding ways to give. YOU are a gift….


  56. on March 31, 2008 at 5:51 pm Beatrice

    yeah, it is so hard to try and stop yourself from obsessing and wondering what he’s doing, who he’s seeing, what he’s thinking, if he’s missing me. I gave in tonight and texted a mutual friend to ask him if he knew my ex was with anyone else. I couldn’t help myself. I was tortured all last night and couldn’t sleep a wink, suddenly convinced he was with someone else. I guess this means I broke NC in a sense. My friend said not as far as he knew. Not that it matters I know. But the thought of him with someone else cuts cuts to the quick. I had a real obsession nigth last night, so sleep, heart racing, mind racing, really anxious. So strange not hearing from him all during the day, and sharing everything with him in the evening. Am still stuck to my side of the bed! Still waking up thinking for a second he’s there beside me. I know it will take time. I’m also a bit worried. A guy I know who I’ve always thought was a little bit into me was in contact with me today about a work issue and was a tad flirty I thought. Through the dense fog of what I’m going through, it made me smile a little, just a teeny one, but it’s the first smile and semi-cheerful thought I’ve had in my 15 day break-up. What I’m worried about though is my thoughts … I kind of found myself thinking, go for this guy, you know he likes you, he’s sweet, safe etc ………… fill the gap, grab what you can. But havign looked back in my past and realsied that I’ve never really been single, I have realised that I keep doing this, I’ve never been on my own, and I think I need to be on my own for a good period of time before even contemplating anyone else. I find it worrying that I seem to be so psychologically freaked out about being on my own without a partner that anyone who shows the slightest interest I think, maybe this guy … That can’t be healthy. I’m learnign a lot here on this blog, it’s such a blessing. I’m going to force myself to be single for a good while (probably will get no offers anyway!). So, this is what I think one minute, then the next it’s back to, maybe he’ll (my ex) will come back to me, I need to see him, hug him, touch him, I can’t bear to be without him. He ahs to come back to me. I miss him like a limb has been torn away. Then I get all these pitiful, desperate fantasies about us getting back together. Having wonderful imaginings. Am I sad or what? Maybe just obsessed. Sorry about this confused and confusing stream of thought.


  57. on March 31, 2008 at 6:00 pm abbychaya

    Beatrice.. you will find that being single is the best possible place you could be.. mending a broken heart takes time and space that you can’t possibly have in a relationship.. You will be ok. .take time to get to know you.. what you like and what makes you happy.. don’t force, don’t stress.. You will imagine all sorts.. that’s just the process of getting past your past.. allow it to unfold but also make a space for you. just you..

    because you are all that counts in this.. and if you cant’ love yourself.. who else can?

    I’ve learnt this lesson at great cost.. physically. emotionally and spiritually.. I think I always knew it intellectually.. but somehow being ‘clever’ doesn’t always get you through!

    Bluebird.. Serenity.. Bravehearts all

    thanks for your words.. I have found this place such support.. I’m aware of how far I’ve come.. in a relatively short space.. and my heart was broken… big time.. smashed up..

    it can be done…
    You can do this!

    Abbyxxx


  58. on March 31, 2008 at 6:00 pm Serenity

    Thanks bluebird. You made me cry. I’ll go look on the Oprah site. I think I’m in the total-no-skin-caterpillar mode. Juicy and gloppy. And the more I get to the center of why I chose who I did and what my issues are, the messier it gets.


  59. on March 31, 2008 at 6:12 pm bluebird

    Beatrice,

    Those sound like just completely normal responses to a deep loss. You are not alone. I’d be pretty sure everyone here has had those getting back together fantasies. You will be OK. Keep reading Susan’s blog and the other posters here who know firsthand right where you are. It’s very hard to look back at your life and try to see, maybe for the first time, as it was for me, how it all fits together and that you may be feeling abandonment issues that go all the way back to childhood. The worse you’re feeling about the breakup, the more likely that is to be true. So you’re right to try to get some perspective and connect the dots. In my case, I knew that if I didn’t finally do that, and went right into another relationship, I’d soon be back in the same situation again.

    For that late night mind racing, Serenity had this good suggestion: before you go to bed, get out your journal and quickly write down everything that’s bothering you. I think she called it a Mind Dump, but not sure if I’ve got that right. Anyway, the idea is that you get it all out of your head and down on paper and then you’ve emptied your mind and can sleep. Try it; maybe it will work for you. And something that helped me is listening to very soothing motivational tapes as I dropped off to sleep, like things by Clarissa Pinkola Estes, who wrote Women Who Run With the Wolves.

    Hang in there! This early part is the hardest. You will start to feel better. Just be very, very good to yourself, OK?


  60. on March 31, 2008 at 6:38 pm bluebird

    Serenity,

    Oh, winged one in process! (-; You know, I spent years not crying (he didn’t believe in it!?!?) and sometimes it’s such a relief to just let the tears fall. To say, it’s OK to feel whatEVER I feel. It’s normal and right. Yes, juicy and gloppy is GOOD! Now we’re talkin’! (-; I know everybody’s different, and some of us are out ahead on some things and behind on others, given our strengths, but just to say that I really do feel better over all. I never thought it would happen, but I do. And you will too. Now that we know what’s been going on all these years, we can do things to make it better. It was the not knowing that kept us stuck. We may still be deep in the maze, and it may not be dawn quite yet, but now, with Susan’s help, and each other’s, we’ve got headlamps and maps!

    An arms around to you tonight! You’ll be OK. NO, better than OK! Fantastic! So get ready for all the problems that will go with that…. (-;

    P.S. Thank you for the info. on the Negativos (good to know there’s a basis for the feeling they give you), and for the Gandhi quote—love that!


  61. on March 31, 2008 at 8:14 pm Michael.

    bluebird-

    That was an amazing post above and very insightful. It has given me reassurance in the process that I am also going through. Thank you !


  62. on March 31, 2008 at 9:41 pm JHSBB

    Kalo82,

    I’m one of those people who stayed in the relationship longer than I should have. Unfortunately, I never realized it until now. A few months ago, I definitely would have denied this. I’m also beginning to realize that I have always lived life in the past. I have to let go of the past and that includes my ex. Thanks for explaining “two wholes make a relationship, not two halves”. That makes so much sense.

    Bluebird,

    You are so right, we all deserve people who can love us back. Sometimes when you’re in a relationship trying with all you have to make it work, this is so easy to forget. Yet, so important too. I don’t think any of us totally gets over a breakup. It gets easier with time, yet I think the heart holds many memories that will probably be with us for the rest of our lives.


  63. on April 1, 2008 at 1:07 am seeif

    Bluebird,

    You are a poet!

    I hope you’re taking good, good care of yourself. And getting as much nurturing as you give to us here at the blog. Sleep well and dream of roses.

    Serenity,

    You’re one glop away from taking flight. When you do, your ex will be but a tiny, tiny speck of feeling barely visible to you as you soar beyond this time.


  64. on April 1, 2008 at 10:41 am Heather

    Ona good note, I can honestly say I am OVER my divorce. I don’t even THINK about the memories. To me, it’s a waste of good space in my head. People do “get over” things, all in due time. Perhaps we all have a different way of saying goodbye to what once was, but when your life turns out to be so spectacular without the bonehead/moron who dumped you, then you know you have triumped.

    Actually, I hate the term, “getting over it” because that means you forget. Yes, perhaps I have forgotten those warm fuzzies I had in my marriage and perhaps I’ve buried the trips all over the world with my EX, but IT IS dead and buried and gone. A fact is a fact. The memories have drifted away, but I will NOT forget the lessons I have learned about loving and losing and the behaviours and tatics we use to stay together or come apart. Those lessons are life lessons that are forever etched in my memory. We should not concentrate on our suffering once we have worked through it, or we tend to relive it. Instead, keep your mental toolbox handy for any emergency repairs to your psychological health and for maintenance projects to keep up personal well-being. :)


  65. on April 1, 2008 at 4:15 pm Hope

    Michael. He was my first love. I had been in a relationship for 4 years prior to him, but looking back it was not at all love (and very unhealthy / abusive). Although I am a romantic, I do not give my heart away too easily, and I really truly had thought he was the one. I had learned a lot from the 4 year relationship prior and was very careful (or so I thought). I am trying to figure out what it is that attracted me to him and really work through the “truths” of the relationship instead of the memories that are so biased to good times. It is difficult when you loved someone who is a bit of a surface level chameleon - and actually becomes everything that you had ever wanted and dreampt of and yet is not at all what you think.

    Serenity - Everyone makes fun of me because of all that I have been reading/doing since the break up. I have read many self help books, including the codependent ones, and just continue to try to understand EVERYTHING so that I may better be equipped for both a healthy fulfilling relationship and to better judge potential mates. I have no done the Relationship Inventory, but plan on doing it this weekend actually. Thank you for your understanding!!

    It just seems to be that for one week every month I recycle like crazy. But as Michael has said, it is also a reminder of why things wouldnt work out.

    Hope everyone else is doing well today.


  66. on April 2, 2008 at 8:08 am abbychaya

    Today am not so good :(… feel as if I am counting the days until he (they) leave.. and visualising them in their camper van seeing all the cool sites of spain/france whereever… I know more than ever that he did not up and go randomly last year and that he had someone else, for how long who knows?

    Feel like, if I have worked him out to be this personality disorder (it looked like a duck, walked like a duck and quacked like a duck, so must be a duck, right?) then how come he has swanned off into a sunset in a camper van with a new gf?

    I feel old and alone and like no one will ever want me.. or I will ever want anyone

    MUST I HAVE THIS THOUGHT IN MY HEAD!!!?

    I am a mess…

    Axx


  67. on April 2, 2008 at 8:31 am Kalo82

    Abby,
    It’s been 2 months sincemy break-up and I’m starting thr thoughts again. It truely is like a roller coaster ride. You always hear that analogy but can never truely understand it until you go through it.
    Lately I’ve been going to bed later and just tihnking about me ex and just what happened. Thinking all the good thoughts about him. Granted, I’ve come a long way b/c I’m not crying when I think these thoughts….they are just there.
    I hope this will not eventually lead me to sending him an email…asking him how he is, etc….or just trying to contact in some way.
    It’s hard.

    Have you dated since the break? I went out with one guy—but it was too much. He was really nice and all, but just didnt compare to what I had with my ex of 4 years….but maybe it was also b/c I just wasn’t ‘there’ yet as far as my emotions and development in the grief period.

    I don’t know. I feel old sometimes too…
    and I havent thought too much abuot being alone….but those thoughts are floating around, I know they are!


  68. on April 2, 2008 at 8:45 am 'Nese

    Abby: you are not alone. You feel old and alone because you feel abandoned. But you are not old and you are not alone. Many of us suffer similarly and these destructive thoughts keep creeping into our heads until we become stronger.

    It is a constant work in progress. My pain lessens daily…I finally feel it but it is true that something can trigger those emotions and throw you right back into the emotional dumpster.

    I work with my ex. When I really look at things, he didn’t handle the split well or with the level of integrity I would have preferred but I also have come to see he is trying to move on for his health and future desires. I choose to believe that what we had was real at the time and meant something at the time but he now wants needs something else….which isn’t me and I cannot provide. It hurts just the same…especially since he is seeing someone in the office where we all work….so, for me it is a daily reminder from which I cannot escape. He only went on 3-4 dates with her and now he is spending every nite at her house……he didn’t waste much time. (I know all this BECAUSE we work together despite my NOT wanting to know all this).

    But, I can say that I have moments of less pain so I am hopeful. You must remain hopeful too and try to get through each day looking to the future with positive thoughts.

    Peace!


  69. on April 2, 2008 at 11:32 am abbychaya

    Kalo and Nese.. thank you so much.. your words mean a lot.. Today is a BAD day.. but I know I feel this way and it will pass..

    Kalo.. its been 9 months now, so this is a long way down the lne to still be thinking about it, but the pain has lessened its true.. For me, the ex did not handle our break up well and for a 40 something man he behaved like a total teenager who gets the girl to break up by being hostile and then five minutes later is dating someone else..

    It has destroyed my faith and trust and no I’m not dating Nese! although I’ve had some interest.. I’m waiting until I’m healed and have fully put this in the past

    I think after May 1 when they leave it will be easier somehow.. Or maybe its never going to be easier.. I fully accept that he is moving on/moved on for his future desires.. its just that the day before we broke up, I appeared to ‘be’ his future desire.. I see that is just not so now..

    I will turn this around.. dancing dancing and more dancing

    Thanks again
    Abby xx


  70. on April 2, 2008 at 11:33 am abbychaya

    And Nese, I am sorry you have to see your ex’s new gf, that must be tough.. you also sound like you have self respect and are affording this guy a lot of grace, saying what you have said.. His loss then for losing someone as together and wise as you

    *sigh*

    my ex didn’t even express any regret or sadness at ‘losing’ me from his life, because he didn’t ‘lose’ me he totally wanted me out. Which is a very hard thing to stomach

    peace abbyx


  71. on April 2, 2008 at 12:14 pm Michael.

    abby-

    how did you load your picture next to your name ?


  72. on April 2, 2008 at 12:34 pm Kalo82

    Abby,
    Just re-read your last post/s: you were with a guy who behaved like a teenager; someone who couldn’t man up; someone who left you for another woman so easily. You have to remember that you didn’t want to be with him anyway.
    What if you two were still together? Looking back–is this the person you want?

    I look at my ex and think that he was/is still a wonderful guy—but the fact that he had doubts and didn’t tell me until I asked him (after 4 years of dating)–and the fact that he didn’t try to fight for the relationship or to try and make things work–that shows me that I didn’t want to be with someone like that anyways.
    Today I was thinking…if I were him and I had doubts but truely loved and care for who I was with–I would want to try and make it work. I would have suggested counseling…or just talked more to my significant other…but he didn’t. He chose to not open up to his feelings. And I can’t be with someone who doesn’t man up to this feelings/emotions or fight for a relationship…or for me (simply put!)


  73. on April 2, 2008 at 12:43 pm 'Nese

    Thanks Abby….well, I don’t know that I initially behaved with a lot of grace. Mostly a lot of tears, then anger, then sadness, then relief, then acceptance, then more tears and more sadness, etc. Seems to go round and round.