Friendship marks a life even more deeply than love. Love risks degenerating into obsession, friendship is never anything but sharing. ~ Elie Wiesel
I replied to Bill on the post “On The Dark Side” but wanted to elaborate it here. I don’t know if Bill’s friends are being catty and difficult for no reason or if they are feeling that he is pulling away from them and they don’t like it. I don’t know. I’ve seen it go both ways. Friendships can be difficult when we get into relationships or out of relationships. Friendships can be difficult when one of us succeeds while the other is still finding their way. I’ve ended friendships when I felt that I was being asked to not be who I was and not to have any feelings/thoughts about my friend and their relationship and it’s impact on us. Friends are important and should be a priority in one’s life, not a placeholder until the person of our dreams comes along Our friends deserve their relationships. Everyone needs to have a well-rounded life that involves both friends and relationships. It’s very sad when a relationship forces friendships out of one’s life or, less often, when a friend forces you to choose between your relationship and their friendship. I’ve beaten the drum of BALANCE so often on here. Often our attention to the balance in our lives suffers when a new love comes along. Suddenly we become willing to chuck it all to cozy up at night and be swept up in the excitement of new love. Yes, it IS exciting! But it’s important to pull back some and give some time and attention to you, to your special treatment of you and that incudes time with your friends. If you get into a series of relationships and each time you lose your focus and ignore your friends, they start to feel used after a while. BALANCE BALANCE BALANCE. A good and healthy life includes friends who are a priority in that life. Friendships are like relationships in that they often need work too. They often need us to look at it and work to understand our friends’ feelings. We want one thing from our friends (being happy for us) and when it seems like they are not, we immediately are ready to end it. Most of us are much more tolerant in relationships where the other person is asking so much more from us and giving less. WHY IS THAT? Friendships feed our soul and don’t ask much from us in return except for our time. We give up friendships so much more easily than relationships when good friends are usually harder to find than a boyfriend or girlfriend. We need to support our friends when they get into relationships. We need to be honest and upfront. We also need to understand that not all of our friends will just take the seat furthest in the back because we don’t need them that much anymore. Friendships can be just as complicated as romantic relationships, but they should NOT be second best. Ever. We all need our friends. I have some wonderful friends. I have one friend that I have had for over 15 years and my best friend and I have been friends for many years (going on 8). So these 3 that I’m going to talk about are not representative of my friends but these 3 were very close friends of mine once upon a time. These 3 scenarios read like relationships and I think that with each of these people we were closer than many (most) relationships I’ve been in. I don’t think that friendship endings get the respect that romantic ones do. Like romantic breakups, I learned a lot from these friendship breakups. They were all sad endings but some were more emotional than others. And there was a grieving process when each ended. FRIENDSHIP ENDINGS HAVE TO BE GRIEVED JUST LIKE RELATIONSHIP ENDINGS!!! And like relationships, we take some endings much harder than others. Most of these happened years and years ago (I don’t get into friendships with people like this anymore, so it’s a non-issue. I’ve recovered in friendships as well but it was actually harder than recovering in relationships): 1. Friend A and I were friends through many difficult times over many years. We both got into serious and semi-serious relationships during our friendship, dated people and helped each other through those experiences as well as spent time being single and enjoying each other’s company. People we worked with would tell us that we should be a comedy act. We played off each other and could make each other cry with laughter. We were there for each other during being single and being in relationships. We were inseparable most of the time. It was truly a nice, close two-way friendship. We both agreed that our friendship was a priority in life. Then he got involved with a woman who did not see things that way. I started to realize this whenever I invited him to lunch, they would both show up. I had to have lunch with both of them and we never really got to be alone again. I asked him for some time alone so I could speak to him about this, and my requests went unheeded. During one night out with a group she made a lot of nasty comments to me that he couldn’t hear. She made it very clear that she didn’t want me in his life. I asked him, again, if we could talk and he never accepted any invitations out alone. He wouldn’t tell me he wasn’t allowed but I pretty much knew that was it. I eventually just stopped talking to him when I couldn’t resolve it. I was never a friend of the couple and didn’t want to be. They asked (yes “they” — he never asked anyone by himself) mutual friends what was wrong with me. Mutual friends told him (Yes just him) to ask me himself and he never would. They married and divorced. I tried to rekindle the friendship and wanted to let him know what happened way back when but he really didn’t want to hear it or revisit it. Okay, I can accept that. We had/have a very surface communication now. He was and always will be a special person to me. I’m sorry we could not become friends as we once were but that is his choice and that was my choice, long ago. 2. Friend B was a friend for many years. I helped Friend B for many years on many levels. Friend B got into a relationship with a guy who was better than other guys (all of whom I heard all the drama about). But they fought a lot and had issues. B would call me and go on and on and on all day about this guy. We would go away on the weekend so she could get away from him and talk to me about it. We talked and talked and talked. I would drop what I was doing to talk to her. She once came for my birthday and seeing all the presents from my boyfriend depressed her. My boyfriend was going to spend the night and we were going to go to breakfast the next day but because she was so depressed, I asked my boyfriend to downplay the happiness in front of her and to go home so we (she and I) could spend the morning talking. Boyfriend was furious (and can you blame him? I was wrong here and often did this to him for her.). After two years of listening to her go on and on about the things this guy did to her, she announced to me that he had proposed. She described the proposal as by the lake, under the stars, and how romantic it was. Instead of thinking this was just HUNKY DORY, I was stunned. I didn’t say congratulations. I just questioned her about it. It was SUCH an about face and she immediately focused on the wedding, not on marrying this person. I mumbled something and we hung up. All I could imagine was the next twenty years of my life listening to her being upset about him. Most of our phonecalls had been about him. I thought she would get it and be done with him eventually. Not so much. A week later she called me and said she was very upset that I was the only one of her friends who did not offer her congratulations when she told them her news. I said I was the only one who had heard all the intimate details of their relationship issues and I found it difficult to be happy about it. She didn’t like my answer and I didn’t like her comparing my reaction to so many others who were not privy to all their problems. We were at an impasse. I was furious that she wanted me to disregard my feelings and all that she had told me about him and just be happy for her. I had no idea how to do that. She usually called me once a day. After that second phone call she didn’t call me for a few months. I was in graduate school and the relationship I was in at the time took a swan dive shortly after that. My life was busy and complicated and she was off doing whatever. I knew it was all about her, always had been, and I wasn’t interested in dealing with this while I was so busy and my relationship was ending. After 3 months, she called and she was very cold on the phone. I had a feeling she called to tell me off but she didn’t and we had a surface, uncomfortable conversation. I wanted her to tell me what she was thinking of feeling, but she never did. I expected that even if she was mad at me for not fully endorsing her relationship, that she would understand as she told me every last thing this guy ever did to her and that with all I had done for her over the years I would be forgiven for not jumping up and down for joy. Wrong. I never heard from her again. I was expected to be happy for her and nothing else was acceptable. A few years later I talked to a mutual friend who said that she told everyone I couldn’t handle her being happy and that I was only happy when she was having problems (something Bill mentioned in his post). She said I would never be friends with anyone who wasn’t a “project” and that when her life got better, I was gone. That was completely wrong. She didn’t get it. She HAD been getting better all along and I had applauded it. I thought she could be even better and deserved someone better than that guy. Even if that was not my place to think so, I HATED so many things he did to her–all the things she told me about–I wanted someone who had not done these things to her. How could I be a friend to her and still like him and be okay with the fact that she was marrying him after all the things she told me he did that hurt her? I guess I was just supposed to forgive and forget him as she obviously had done. Very hard. And did I want to? Did I have to? Just because his mistreatment of her was okay with her didn’t mean it was okay with me. What was I supposed to do? Just sit down and shut up? Apparently. Well, I didn’t feel like it. I couldn’t be happy after all she told me. I expected, at the very least, that she would TALK TO ME ABOUT IT. I was hurt that she would think it was okay to just dump all those things on me about this guy, to expect me to NOT be happy when a boyfriend gave me a gift, to do so many things for her, and then she couldn’t even let me not be as happy as everyone else. She had NO desire to work this out with me. I saw B on AOL a few years ago and tapped out an instant message thinking maybe we could talk. The minute she saw my name, she signed off. I never tried again. 3. Friend C and I were friends for many years. I became her friend when her best friend left her for a relationship. They had lived together and had been inseparable. Then her friend met this guy and disappeared. C would say she now lived with her friend’s furniture. She was devastated. I went over there almost every night to talk to her and help her through the “breakup”. I had experienced a few deaths that year and was also grieving. We supported each other. We cried together and laughed together. The friendship was very important to our healing. We became fast friends and promised to NEVER do to each other what her friend did to her. We promised not to disappear for a relationship. Even when I was in a relationship I spent so much time with her. We went through thick and thin together. I was probably closer to her than I had ever been with anyone in my life. After 8 years of being closer than anyting, she got into a relationship and she knew I was sensitive to being abandoned and knew about Friends A&B (and sided with me at the time and went away with me and friend B many times and listened to what I had listened to and was just as surprised as I was when she announced her engagement). After her relationship started, she virtually disappeared. She would come over on Saturdays while her partner was working and I would watch her watch the clock. We had a standing Tuesday night outing and she just stopped coming out on Tuesday nights. I was just supposed to be okay with that. It took me a long time to allow myself to realize that I wasn’t okay with it and that I missed her and that a huge part of my life had gone away. Not only was Tuesday night gone but we used to call each other all hours of the day and night and now her partner insisted they go to bed at 9 pm and there was no way to call after 9 pm. There was no way to call during dinner or most other times. All of a sudden, she was gone from all these times of my life. Despite her promise to never do this to me, she was doing this to me. I expected that she would realize it or would miss me and it would stop. I kept thinking that she would just figure it out on her own. I believed in her that much. HUGE mistake. She would never ever take time away from her relationship for me. The only time I saw her or talked to her was when her partner was working. I felt like something she did while waiting for her new love to come home. Everything changed and the thing that bothered me the most is that it was okay with her that I was now relegated to this tiny spot in the corner. It bothered me that her relationship replaced our friendship in the same way her friend had done it to her. But unlike her, there was no one there for me when she did it to me. I tried, for two years, to just put up with it. I did not want to give up. I thought that once the relationship was no longer as new, she would come back. But they continued to be enmeshed. And it continued to get worse. Many things went on that drove me further and further away. Because of our history and what we said to each other, I gave her every benefit of every doubt and just waited for her to come back and be present in my life again. She told me that her partner did not like her referring to me as her best friend. Her partner wanted to be her best friend. It was not hard for me to see that the partner’s influence and the jealousy of me was also playing a big role in it. But someone asked me years later if I hated the partner. I said no, the partner did not betray their true self. I knew this person was like that AND the partner had no loyalty to me nor did I expect any. It was my friend who betrayed me. Even under the spell of her partner, she still allowed it to happen. If your partner is unduly influencing you and affecting your relationships with others, it’s still your fault. You are allowing it. You are deciding it’s okay. I met my husband and he got along with them but it then seemed like the expectation was that we would be friends as couples (though they blew us off when we tried to plan a weekend away). There was SO much that went on that hurt me, angered me and upset me but I said nothing, trying to be the supportive friend. The time we spent together was less and less and less. Before I met my husband, I went over there one night very upset over a breakup and she said to me, “You know we have to be some place tonight.” This is someone I would have stopped the world for and it was very hurtful. In fact, her partner gave her a look when she said that, not really believing what she said. And I kept going in the friendship and tried to forgive her everything. When she finally said to me, the last time I saw her, “I know I said that I wouldn’t disappear into a relationship, but this is different.” it was over for me. I said nothing. I was on my way to the airport and spent a week thinking about things but for me, it was over. The person I knew, the person I loved, would have never said that to me. I knew she was never coming back. She had changed in every way. I didn’t get in touch with her when I came back (very unusual). She sent me a note saying that they couldn’t go on the trip we had planned (the four of us). That just sealed the deal for me. I never answered her and she never asked why. After a few weeks I knew it was over and it was very painful for me. After we stopped speaking a mutual friend told me she was angry with me. The friend reported that C said she should have known that after what I did to Friend A and Friend B that she would be next. She said she understood my actions with Friend A&B but now I was wrong. She backtracked on almost everything she had always told me. I felt that not only wasn’t our friendship a priority in her life but that once she was in a relationship, I didn’t matter at all. And that hurt. I thought I held an irreplaceable place in her life and I was so wrong. Apparently giving it two years was not enough. She wanted me to accept only the bread crumbs she threw me and when I refused, she said very nasty things about me to mutual friends. I was beyond hurt. It was one of the hardest things I ever went through. It was like a death to me. I never trusted anyone as I had trusted her or believed that she simply wouldn’t do what she did. I used to say that anyone is capable of anything at any time but I truly believed she wasn’t. How wrong I can be sometimes. Those are 3 scenarios of when friendships ended because of relationships. What I learned about these 3 friendships was that I should have done things differently. I felt as if I was a very good friend to all 3 and had not deserved how I was treated. But I couldn’t just sit around feeling sorry for myself or sailing away on the good ship self-righteous. I had to take responsibility for my part in what went wrong. If nothing changes, nothing changes. Love is as love does. Friendship is as friendship does. In these 3 instances, it didn’t do much when a relationship walked in the door. Although all 3 said they cherished my friendship, they should have said, “Unless I get into a relationship.” I took the ending of my friendship with friend C very very hard. I grieved for 2 years and when I met my current best friend I did not want a friend because of what happened with C. My current best friend basically chased me and kept asking me to go to dinner. She would call me and I didn’t call her back. She made me laugh and we became friends despite me. She basically made it happen; and I’m glad she did. I met a friend later on who had recently ended his friendship with his best friend because his friend got into a relationship and disappeared. They talked it out but the friend did not understand and wouldn’t change the fact that they didn’t see each other anymore. He said to him, “I know that x gets 99 percent of your attention but I want my 1 percent.” I overstood. He and I became very close friends. We each get our 1 percent. But in light of what I teach and live what is the point of this post? Well, for one, I think that it’s important to be sensitive to your friends, especially if they just nursed you through a bad breakup, when you get involved. Second, if this happens to you over and over again as it did happen to me 3 times, it’s time to change things in YOU. What have I changed? I’ve changed my expectations of my friends and steer clear of codependent moves (like telling a boyfriend not to shower me with gifts because my friends can’t handle it). I’ve stopped thinking that just because someone says they are loyal, they are. Loyal is as loyal does. And if there’s no competition for your time and attention, loyalty really doesn’t mean a lot. When friend C got into a relationship, she basically replaced me. Meaning that what I had been to her wasn’t special at all. I was just, for years, the closest person to her. The thing that hurt the most was that I was that expendable. It didn’t really matter who was closest to her, just that someone was. She refused to make my friendship a priority in her life and I thought I deserved to be more than an aferthought and I do. Her message to me was: you don’t matter. And that was something I could not accept. I have to matter to everyone in my life. For me, the grieving over friend C was long and arduous. I annoyed someone who tried to be friends with me at the time because I could not shut up about it. That was poor performance on my part but like relationships, I was not ready for a friendship. It works the same way. If you’re still thinking and talking about the last relationship (or friend), you’re not ready. The other thing is that I was processing and needed to process, but like relationship breakups, you need to process in APPROPRIATE places. I was so angry at myself for just spewing about this all the time to anyone who listened. I just couldn’t believe what happened. I kept wanting someone to tell me something to make me feel better. I was also upset, as I know many of you are over a relationship breakup, that I could not seem to get over it. I was hurt and angry for over TWO YEARS. I was sensitive and not really “there” in friendships that I did make. It was a time process and I had to let it take what it took. The process DROVE ME CRAZY. I wanted it done with. I felt like she didn’t miss me and after she got into a relationship, she didn’t care if I was there or not. And I was the one left with the pain (sound familiar? I’m sure a lot of you know how this feels!). UNFAIR! Another friend told me, years later, about something painful that happened to Friend C and my reaction was that I really didn’t care. Sounds cold, but the opposite of love is not hate. It’s apathy. I did my grieving. It took what it took. And I moved on. C’s problems or hurts were not mine. I tried to care and considered sending her a note but I was done. I knew I had to do my grieving process with C, but It seemed RIDICULOUS to me that I needed TWO YEARS of being very hurt to get over this friendship but that is what it took and when I was done, I was very done. And I learned…and I picked better when I was ready for friendships. It is a REQUIREMENT of mine that I matter to my friends, that I am not just a placeholder until the love of their life comes along. The friends I have today are WONDERFUL and I love them dearly. I just had a wonderful night out with two very dear friends (one who just got into a new relationship) that lasted ALL NIGHT LONG! It was fun fun fun to spend that much time, like we were teenagers…out all night! But I am always happy when I get to spend time with people who value my friendship as they do and who will say, “I want to stay up all night and talk to you!” We had a GREAT time! Friendships need to be healthy just as relationships do. As I got better in my relationships I transferred some of my codependency to my friendships but did not see that for years. I had to get healthy with those as well. I had to really think about listening to a friend, as I did with B, ad nauseum….just thinking and hoping that they would “see the light.” I had plenty of reason to give up on B but never did. I should have pulled the plug a lot sooner. Sooooooooooooooo…………………… If you’re in a new relationship and your friends seem resentful…PLEASE talk to them!!! Maybe it can be salvaged and maybe it can’t. But don’t hurt people who have been there for you before. AND if your friend has just gotten into a relationship, try to understand and if you’re feeling abandoned, tell your friend, or at least try to. In other words, no matter what side of the street you’re on…DO THE RIGHT THING. Try to understand each other. Give your friends their one percent…even if it’s not convenient for you…try to go out of your way for your friends who were there for you before your new love came along. If your friend is in a new relationship, cut them some slack. If everyone tries, the friendship can be maintained. We all need our friends. Take care of each other. peace,
Sometimes when things start going well for us, friends are not that supportive and it hurts and upsets us. We don’t get how they could NOT want us to be happy. However, sometimes we pull away from friends as if we don’t quite need them anymore. When a friendship is threatened by a new relationship, it can be very problematic. Both sides need to try to understand the other’s feelings.
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Susan
12/13 TFTD ~ On Friendship
December 13, 2007 by Susan J. Elliott






My best friend broke off our friendship in a very dramatic and surprising way – 5 years ago, at my 40th birthday, he gave my soon-to-be-ex husband a four page letter to give to me telling me that he could no longer be my friend. I was separated from my husband for one year at that point, and my friend knew all the details about the divorce. he was also friends with my then husband. He and I were friend for almost 20 years and I trusted him more than anyone I had ever known. I had no idea whatsoever that he was thinking about breaking off our friendship. I was stunned for a year – it made the divorce uglier- and it took about five years – that’s about right now – to heal from this. I could not trust anyone for a very long time. He sucked my spirit right our of me. I am at the point now of not caring about what happens to him – apathy – and I am glad for it. But it is something that I will never really understand. I was griedving my lost marriage and my lost friendship. Those were some dark days, I can tell you. People can be awful. That is what I learned. I am not bitter, but I am careful. I do wear my heart on my sleeve which is a curse and a blessing and I will not change that about myself.
The friends I have now I have been friends with for over 25 years. They got me through that bad time and are still standing next to me as I stand next to them with acceptance and love and tolerance for all the mistakes we might make. I still can’t understand how I could have been so blind. But while the break-up of my marriage was certainly half my fault, the break-up of that friendship had nothing to do with me. I know that for sure, although it’s cold comfort.
Sometimes seasons of life are very difficult. As a high school teacher, I am able to have empathy for all kinds of drama that occurs in my students’ lives. There’s the blessing from the mess.
Thank you again for writing this blog. It has gone miles in helping me finish healing.
THANK YOU so much for this post! I was starting to go crazy thinking this kind of thing ONLY happened to me. Every breakup/relationship book is all about breaking up a romantic relationship. I’m glad you addressed this. Breaking up with M has been vastly worse than any boyfriend. There’s a closeness and trust that’s peculiar to friends. Again, thanks! This helped!
Thanks for posting this. I’ve gotten my “heart broken” more times by close female friends than I have by guys I was seeing. I am sure it’s not a coincidence that I haven’t made a new, close female friend in over 5 years. I make casual friends easily but not in that same all-encompassing close way I used to. It can be really hard to deal with the kind of betrayal that comes with close friendships. Because it’s not like romantic relationships where you can’t talk anymore because you were in love and it didn’t work out. Whole other ballpark, almost a more personal one.
With that said, I have actually been fortunate enough to mend the female friendships I’ve made in my adult life. Not to say we’re nearly as close, and that all is repaired, but we speak on a here-and-there basis. Same goes for strained relationships I’ve had within my family. The only person I feel I cannot talk to now or possibly ever again is my ex-boyfriend, and that is ridiculously hard on me. I am hoping it gets easier over time to come to terms with it, but since it’s never really happened to me before, it’s not something I can readily accept. Oh well.
Well, Susan, I am glad that I read your post. I am almost 30 and your post hit upon issues that I’ve been facing in my own life. I don’t know how old you are or what your frame of experience is, but I’ve watched steadily as friends from college have moved on with their lives; and, unfortunately, their “moving on” hasn’t included me. Like you they don’t call as much or write as much. I don’t see them as much as I used to either.
I am at an age now, though, where many of my friends and acquaintances have started to enter serious relationships. Many of my friends are now either with serious girlfriends/boyfriends or are married. It has been hard for me because I have had to accept the fact that they won’t be as emotionally available to me as they used to be. These friendships do change because their significant other become more important.
Does this make them selfish? No it doesn’t; but, ultimately, when friends start dating , enter serious relationships, or enter into marriage, their focuses changes to their husbands and wives. When they have children their energies shift to their kids. It’s part of life. That doesn’t meant that these friends no longer care about you, just rather that they have other priorities now that come first.
As I am in my late 20s, however, this issue rings a bell with me. I’ve been single a lot in my adult life. Mainly that’s been because I’ve had significant family problems and other personal issues that I’ve had to work through on my own. I am honestly enough to realize that I’m not ready yet for a serious relationship, as I still have to get through my past. Still it is hard because my other friends seem to be moving onto what I perceive to be the “next stage” in life, while I remain stuck or slowed down.
What seems to have happened in your story, Susan, is that your friends found significant relationships. And when they entered those relationships they changed. I can cite one example of a friend that I lost in similar circumstances. There was this girl that I went to college with, who had become a really good friend of mine. Through most of the seven years that she and I were good friends. She was also dating this guy and, although I at first didn’t like him, I grew to accept him.
But over time, as she moved to another city, the two of them drifted apart. After they graduated from law school they moved near me. But they changed once they started working full-time. They were making more money than I did. Over time they became very materialistic, buying very expensive items. They were attorneys making good money. Because they happened to live next to a NFL player and his wife they acted like they were better than everyone else. To make a very long story short, about a few years ago, they planned their wedding; and I wasn’t invited.
What she told me was that, because they were having the wedding in another state far away from where we lived, she didn’t invite me. She also said that the groom’s family was all going to be there and there were just not enough spaces for all the people that she would like to invite. (The wedding was taking place at a very swanky hotel). However, she did offer me an invitation to an “after party” near the rural small town where she grew up for her and her other friends. What I later found out from the groom’s brother’s ex-girlfriend was that the couple basically invited their “lawyer and attorney” friends and forgot about their other friends. All the girl’s friends from her hometown were shunted off to the “after party” and that that NFL couple ended up being the best man. In sum her other friends and I were no longer “good enough” for her.
I won’t forget that this girl was a really good friend to me. However, it did suck a lot to see her change the way that she did. I probably changed myself. She and her husband are not the only guilty parties here. I made some mistakes along the way, but it sucked to lose her as a friend. But I realized that she had allowed her now-husband to change her. She was never as materialistic before she started dating him, but that is now under the bridge.
All that I can really say is that we really have very few honest good friends in our lives. I can count on my hands the number of people who have been there throughout my life. Like you I’ve also suffered the disappointment of thinking highly of other friends, only to be failed by them later. It sucks to have our expectations shattered and to be let down.
But thank you for the story. I can identify with it all too well.
One other thing. I wonder if there is a difference between male to male friendships than female to female friendships or between male and female friendships. Are they dynamics different?
Hi Susan! Thanks so much for the post. I will read it later tonight when I can digest, and if possible, post a bit more info regarding my situation. I am still feeling bad and not sure where to go from here. – Bill Roush
Bill–I read your post. In regard to that woman you are probably much better off without her. While you didn’t pick up on the “early signs” or were “in denial” you are much better off without her. You deserve someone who is going to love you and be there for you, not this woman who apparently used you.
As for your best friend, could it be that Kevin might have sexual feelings for you? Based on reading his email and the fact that maybe you have been “friends for 30 years”–I’ll assume that you’re both middle-aged–I wonder if Kevin may be saying that he might be romantically attracted to you and not know how to handle the situation. Did you ever pick on any indication that he may be gay or bisexual?
I read this email again and this part sticks out to me:
“There are some things that you and I have been experiencing lately as friends that I don’t believe I am thinking clearly about. And so I don’t trust my opinions on. One part of me says to talk to you about it, but the other is telling me that wouldn’t be fair to you, me, or our friendship. Respect”
It seems like Kevin might have feelings that he is ashamed or embarrassed about. I am thinking that he might be sexually attracted to you or coming to terms with issues related to his sexuality. Otherwise I don’t know why he wouldn’t “talk to you about it”. It might be very hard for him (if this is the case) to admit his feelings for you.
The best that you can do with Kevin is send him an email, a voicemail, a letter, and maybe even card telling him that you value your friendship with him and that, whatever happens, you’ll be there for him. Say in a very matter-of-fact way since he is a man, and men aren’t emotional, that you will support him in anyway that he cans. And if/when he does want to talk, you’ll be there for him.
Whatever you decide to do, if you want to keep Kevin’s friendship, don’t be negative, judgmental, or accusatory in your email to him. It seems like he is in pain and needs you. Being anything other than positive will drive him further away.
Yes, it would be great to be understanding and patient with a friend under normal circumstances as Oceanblaze suggests, but what is normal about a friend who sleeps with your girlfriends? I don’t know any of the particulars in terms of how you were able to repair the friendship after he slept with your girlfriends, but I’m wondering: is this a friendship worth fighting for? You suffered some difficult betrayals on the part of a long-term friend and your ex-girlfriends (the ones who slept with him and the most recent, who appears to have cheated on you at least once).
You deserve better than that, Bill.
Kathy–you make a good point. But we are all sinners in some way. It could be that Kevin redeemed himself in the past. But Ialso honestly believe that we don’t turn our backs on the people we care about, no matter what they do. Yes you may have to stop enabling people or withdraw for a while, but you also never give up.
Hi Oceanblaze. I appreciate your position. I think we’re on different pages is all. I believe that sometimes people do give up on relationships, and for me that’s o.k., even the best, healthiest choice in some situations. I guess I look at it more as letting go if it needs to happen, rather than giving up. For me, there are deal breakers in romantic relationships and platonic friendship alike. I don’t give up easily, but a serious betrayal (esp. if committed more than once) would most likely be a deal breaker. Once a relationship ends, forgiveness can happen for me privately. I feel no obligation to share my life or my forgiveness with the other person, nor do I expect this of them, once a relationship ends.
peace,
Kathy
I see your point and respect position, but you have to remember that we don’t know if Kevin slept with Bill’s ex or not. Reading between the lines–and I could be 100% wrong–I think that Kevin might have issues with his own sexuality and might actually be attracted to Bill.
LOL! K has never demonstrated physical attraction to me… I hope you are not on to something there Oceanblaze… I am taking Susan’s advice and “keeping the light of friendship on” until he figures out what is going on… that means checking daily to see if he emailed or not and getting past the dread of potential bombshell. Thanks for all the feedback and thanks to Susan for putting it together. This really is a great board. If there are any new developments in the situation I will post comment here. Bill R….
Bill–I only theorize that based on that excerpt from his email to you. That one sentence made me wonder. I could be totally wrong, but it looks like he is very confused about something.
Oh, goodness, Susan’s post REALLY hit home for me!
As a single adult who has spent more time single than in relationships, my friendships have been my constant rock in life. So it’s been exceedingly painful when friends have pulled away to devote their full time and attention to relationships and downgraded me to a second-class citizen in their lives.
I truly believe that the isolation of the nuclear family is something of an historical aberration, a situation that would never have occurred before the mid-twentieth century, when people lived in small communities centered around extended family and friends. Due to the elevation of the nuclear family as THE center of emotional life, I think couples who would previously have distributed their emotional needs among many family members are now relying on just one person, their spouse, to fulfill those needs. Hence, it’s become customary for friends to refocus ALL their attention on a boyfriend or girlfriend in preparation for him or her to take on that all-important spousal role.
The resulting enmeshment isn’t good for them, and it’s not good for us, the friends who are left out in the cold. Since my circle of friends is small to begin with, I feel it especially deeply when I “lose” one of my friends to a relationship. But so often the bottom line is that the “third wheel” needs to just accept those bread crumbs or lose the friendship entirely. I have to admit that sometimes I just accept the crumbs rather than throw the baby out with the bathwater.
The method I’ve chosen, I guess, is to downgrade the friendship in return. I guess I’m employing a bit of that “reject the rejecter” mentality. If a friend who previously hung out with me regularly every week now only calls when she’s not busy with her boyfriend, my response is to agree to hang out if I’m free as well. But if I already have plans, even if they’re just plans to work on my blog or my Cafe Press business or whatnot, I stick to my plans. My rationale is that if my friend is going to let other things take precedence in her life, so will I. By not dropping everything and lapping up whatever crumbs I’m thrown all the time, I maintain my own self-respect.
Nevertheless, it’s still sad to me that this downgrading has to take place at all, and I wonder continuously how much to resist it and how much to compromise. No matter what, it’s a delicate balance.
Well, after not hearing from K for 4 months (and my life improved quite significantly during this time) I left him a voicemail saying I did not deserve this treatment and I needed to know if our friendship was over. The following week I received this response from him:
Got your voicemail last week and you are def right, after 30 years you don’t deserve me just blowing you off like I have. I sent a lengthy email to your Comcast but had it returned a saying you are “no longer a customer” or something like that. What email is best for you? Also, I take that as sign that the email was not meant for you (after many edits and much heartache) so I would like to email you something shorter and to the point. If you are interested, let me know…
Thanx,
K
So my mind was again wondering and dreading what his message would say. 3 days later I got this:
Hey Dude-
After 30 years of friendship, there is no way to put into words how odd and displacing it has been to be out of contact with you lately. If feels, at the least, empty. I can go into a lengthy explanation of how pathetic I view my own life for the last many years. Remaining positive about the past, present, and future is a daily if not hourly challenge for me. I am not one to assign blame for who I have become, nor do I expect anyone to understand. Including you. To sum it up, I have no friends, no family contact, and no social life whatsoever currently. There are a multitude of reasons for that, and I am fully aware that some of my current life situations are self-imposed. While also realizing that negative environments are mostly to blame.
In the many relationships I have shared with others- be it family, friend, girlfriend, casual f**k- I have brought myself to the conclusion that people either grow together or they grow apart. I don’t believe there is much of a middle ground to that. If I were to sight an overall but not all inclusive reason why I feel about our friendship like I do, that would be it. Again, details on that are futile to discuss due to my negative creepiness. I have made both medical and mental attempts to correct what I am hoping is only a temporary skewing of brain chemicals, and thus far have failed. What is most difficult for me to face is how all that sh*t has bleed into my outlook on my friendship with you. You are the best and longest friend I have ever had and most likely ever will. I can offer no reassurance to you that my mental status will change soon. So in fairness to you and your life, I must bow out of it. I originally had no intention of being out of contact with you for this long of a period. I can only tell you that I am truly sorry I didn’t get back to you sooner, but again I was hoping I would view our friendship in a different way by now and I haven’t.
I respect any opinion you may hold over all of this and do not necessarily directly hold you in any negative context. My judgment is clouded and doesn’t seem to be improving with time. I wish I could explain better. The worst part for me has been the past recent missed opportunities to come down to CA and talk to you about stuff face to face. Phones and email don’t do it for me. And they certainly cannot do justice to our long friendship. I believe that the miles between us over the years has not helped as well.
For now and a while, I don’t feel worthy of your friendship. Out of consideration and respect for you, I cannot be friends with you. My local attempts at friendships have also failed, and no friendship I have developed with others over the years can compare to what I have shared with you. You are more a brother than a friend.
Later,
K
So…. I replied, “If you need someone to talk to, let me know”. It still feels like he is hiding something but I am happy I did not get an email attacking me or confessing to having something to do with my breakup. I have some other friends that say he is a very manipulative, depressed and messed up person and I am better off. So I will keep a light of friendship on (although it seems to be getting pretty dim) and deal with my already started grief process on the loss of this friendship. Thanks for the website Susan.