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Getting Past Your Breakup: 10 Things To Do To Move On NOW!
Even when we see a breakup coming, it can be devastating to suddenly be alone.
Perhaps we were still holding onto hope that it would last.
Perhaps we were just deep in denial about everything that was going wrong.
Perhaps we were trying to get it together before the clock chimed midnight and weren’t fast enough.
Even if it’s a breakup we wanted and think is for the best, it can be devastating. Gone are the hopes and dreams that you had at the beginning, gone is a person whobecame part of your life. There are shared memories, shared friends, shared traditions and often, shared children.
It can be tough whether it was a welcome sigh of relief or the most devastating thing that has ever happened. It’s even harder around the holidays. Whether you broke up today or last March, the first holidays can be rough.
Ten Things To Do After The Breakup To Get On With Your Life:
1. Know that grieving someone and missing them does not necessarily mean you want them. It means you hurt because you’ve had a loss. Perhaps that loss is the best thing but it’s still a loss. Don’t mistake grief for love. It’s normal and natural to grieve any loss…even if the relationship was the worst in the world. Don’t let your grief cause you to second guess your feelings. Part of the grief process is “review and relinquishment” where it is necessary to process through the relationship. Unfortunately this review comes in the form of having the ex on your mind constantly. It’s a “working through” and it doesn’t mean you’re not going to get over it, or that you still love the ex. It means your mind is doing the work it needs to do to process through it and get over it.
2. Even if you do still love him or her, you don’t have to act on it. You don’t have to make contact or find ways to see the other person. Grief is a long, hard process and often contact will TEMPORARILY alleviate the pain or take your mind off the pain you’re in. But it’s not really alleviating it. It’s just postponing the inevitable.
If you are afraid of the pain, it most likely means that you have unresolved grief or abandonments in the past and that makes this loss hurt all the more. Take this as an opportunity to grieve your losses and face them and get through them once and for all. Running from unresolved losses does not make them go away.
TIME does NOT heal all wounds. Only working through the grief and loss and allowing yourself your feelings heals all wounds. Your life will be so much better if you work through unresolved loss. The emotions of grief are anger, pain, confusion, searching, pining and anxiety. There is a roller coaster ride of confused emotions before you end the process. Be gentle with yourself. Sometimes you think you are done and then you recycle. It’s normal. You’re not doing anything WRONG. Trust the process.
And remember this is about YOU. This is your work and your “getting over it.” Detach from the ex and what he or she is doing. It’s none of your business and what you are doing is none of their business. Do your work for you and concentrate ON YOU…not on them or what he or she is doing. If people are telling you what they are doing tell them to stop it. If you’re communicating with the ex, stop it. Concentrate on YOU.
It’s hard but don’t text, don’t call, don’t email, don’t send “jokes” or chain emails or funny emails and if they send them ask them nicely to stop. Just don’t communicate.
3. Try not to date or get into another relationship right away. It’s tempting but know that another relationship is not going to help until you get over this one. Everyone does the “rebound” relationship once or twice in their life but it’s usually not the best thing. When that ends, you might have two relationships, instead of one, to get over.
Not dating includes not sleeping around. Many times we use physical attraction and “the chase” as a distraction for our pain. It’s a very temporary salve. Afterwards we might feel used and even worse than we did before (or we might contract an STD making us feel MUCH worse and MUCH less attractive!). Having sex with people you’re not terribly emotionally attached to is never a good idea, but it’s a fact that people do it when they’re scared, bored, hurt, have low self-image etc etc etc.
There are a myriad of reasons why people wind up having sex with people they are not in a relationship, but the worst time to do it is when you are emotionally vulnerable because it can add to the problems instead of alleviating them. It is human nature to want to prove we are still attractive and can still “get someone” to have with, but try to avoid physical entanglements because the person you “get” when you are on the rebound is usually not a great choice.
Some people will say, “I just want someone to hold me.” and use that as an excuse to bed down with Mr. or Ms. Wrong. The price for someone to “hold” you is very high. It brings emotional and maybe physical consequences. Right now you need to be healing from your breakup and not adding any fuel to the fire.
4. Journal. Pour your heart and soul into a journal. Write letters to your ex in the journal. BUT DO NOT SEND THEM.
Write down the things you wish were different…the things you’re angry about and hurt about…write down the things you would like to be forgiven for…write down any significant statements you’d like to make…work on the letter a little every day…pour your heart out. When you are getting to the end of the lists, write a letter to the ex asking for forgiveness for what you did, forgiving them for what they did and again DON’T SEND IT but read it out loud to a friend or a therapist. Then burn the letter. Rituals like this help you move on. This is about YOUR closure and you moving on. It is NOT about them.
Other ways to journal is to make lists about things you want to do. Buy books on grief and loss and relationship recovery. Journal about passages that resonate in you. The journalling is a processing of the relationship…let it out.
5. Take a relationship inventory. Write down all the pros and cons of the relationship. All the good points and bad points of your ex. All the highs and all the lows.
Look at it as objectively as you can……Use this breakup as a LEARNING experience. LEARNING ABOUT YOU. Ask these questions:how this person was like other people you had unsuccessful relationships with…what does this say about you? What early warning signs did you ignore? Why did you ignore them? What will you do next time if the same early warning sign comes up? What do you need to work on in you and in your past? Is this person like a parent? What unresolved issues with your parents or early caretakers (could be teachers or older siblings) are playing themselves out in your life. What do you need to look at/ work on. How did you get into it? What unmet needs of yours were running the show? What does that say about you? How can you avoid this in the future? What work needs to be done?
6. Find support groups. If you have a therapist, ask him or her if there is a group (for women, women’s groups, for men, men’s groups) that you can join. It doesn’t have to be a therapy group. Find a hobby group, a reading group, some social group to be involved with. This is not the same as keeping busy. This is rediscovering who you are and that there are people like you out there. Remember, social and hobby and therapy groups are not the singles scene. Go with a clean objective–to rebuild your life–and not to be on the prowl.
7. Putting yourself out there is hard. Oftentimes we have no energy. Ending a relationship and doing grief work is hard. Sometimes we go out with high expectations that we will feel better and come home feeling worse. We didn’t like the people, the group was awful, no one liked us. There were other people who were clicking and that makes us feel more alone. Maybe they’re not your people. You will find your kind of people. Trust the process.
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That doesn’t mean that no one will ever like you or that you should stop putting yourself out there. It only means THAT group wasn’t for you. Keep looking. And when you’re journaling ask yourself if you’re giving everything enough of a chance or are you at a point in your life where you just hate everything and everyone that is not the ex. If so, just keep going out there. One day you will wake up and find you’re not so cranky and finicky.
8. Be good to yourself. Give yourself a treat. Buy a new book or something nice to wear. Take a bubble bath. Go to a movie. Play a rousing game of golf, or pool, or basketball or raquetball. Join a gym. Make sure you are eating right and exercising. This will not only make you feel better, but look better. Do something that says, “This is important to me.” If it’s something that your ex loathed, EVEN BETTER. Do things for you on a daily basis, but also schedule a “me” night once a week and stay committed to it. If you need to relax, do that. If it makes you feel better to be active, do that. But give yourself ONE NIGHT A WEEK where you make a date with yourself to do good, validating things for you….things that say, “I’m okay and I deserve this.”
Sometimes after a breakup, our self-esteem takes a big hit. We start to think that something is wrong with us. We start to blame ourselves for things. If our ex is the type to tell us what is wrong with us, we feel not only dumped but dumped on. Two things to stop this particular train wreck: a) stop communicating with the ex…tell the ex what she or he thinks of you is none of your business and b) do positive self-talk and affirmation exercises to keep your self-image up. Don’t buy into any scenario that places this breakup squarely on YOUR shoulders. Don’t let this breakup drive your self-esteem into the ground.
Being good to you includes positive self-talk and rejection of criticism by others (esp the ex!).
Know that you will not always feel this way. There is life after a breakup–a very good life. Stay optimistic that maybe today is not the day you’re over it, but that day will come. And be good to yourself in the meantime.
9. Avoid revenge. As hard as that might be…as many scenarios play out in your mind…avoid it like the plague. It will just come back to haunt you. You can write about it, talk about it and dream about it…but don’t DO anything about it.
Similarly–avoid trash talking and spreading rumors. These are destructive behaviors that will only get to you in the end. Suppose your trash talking or rumor spreading or revenge story gets around and months later you become interested in someone who had heard about it…do you think they’re going to want you? Do you think healthy people will be attracted to you? No one wants someone who has revenge / getting even in their portfolio. Everyone will know (friends and lovers alike) that if you’re capable of that, you can do it to them.
But the most important reason to avoid it is because it’s not good for you. It’s just not…so talk about it, write about it, think about it…but don’t DO anything about it.
10. Remember the only thing that is the end of the world is the end of the world. Breakups are inherently painful. Your hurt is not necessarily a measure of your love for the other but rather a measure of your humanity. The fact is that we are humans and we love and we become attached and when we lose a love and have to un-attach, we hurt.
Pain after a breakup is normal and natural….even searing pain and abject misery is normal and natural..pacing the floors, not being able to sleep, having anxiety attacks…difficulty concentrating…these are are normal and natural grief reactions…what is not normal are suicidal thoughts and deep depression…if you have these reactions, SEE A PROFESSIONAL.
Everyone going through a breakup can benefit from a counselor or therapist but if you are plunged into a deep depression or have suicidal thoughts, GET HELP IMMEDIATELY.
If you’re not suicidal or clinically depressed (just feel really really awful and incredibly sad), know the pain is temporary and that the only way out is THROUGH.
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Great post. I am forwardeding it to several friends. Merry Holidays!
a six-year old relationship just ended yesterday. the end actually started almost a year ago .. now i see the breakup resulted because we both were wrong. we both didnt love each other enough to make it work.. we were both controlled by our own respective insecurities. he was so self-centered adn i was just focusing on strengthening him to overcome his insecurities. he and i forgot about my insecurities which led me to betray him – even though i loved no one like i loved him. at the end, i admitted to him that his way of making me feel so insecure drove me to self-destrcutive deeds. he never forgave and he left. i understand his point but he was never fair to me. anyway, i started already applying many of the advice above and i will work on some more. but i cant help the feeling that i need something good to happen. i need someone to come, take my hand, lift me up and heal the pain. i feel i will never ever be loved or be able to love again. i feel i am aging – just turned 34 – my biological clock is ticking – i may get old and not be able to have children – and i dont feel i have anything good to be loved.
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I am an emotional mess. Yesterday a 2-year relationshiip ended with a married man. I have asked myself for forgiveness for allowing the relationship to start, I have tried to understand myself for allowing it to happen in the first place. I feel horrible after the breakup and even worse for committing an absolute sin. I love him to no end, I gave him my heart and my soul- 200%. The last time he ended it he said he loved her and was not going to leave her …that was back in Oct 2006…less than 2 weeks later we were at it again and seeing each other alll while he was still married. What is wrong with me…I have lost all morals and self respect. I am an idiot who can’t move on. He continues to call and email me saying he loves me and that we;ll get through this, that we;ll find a way to be together for good. I don’t beleive him, but I easily fall for it. I can’t eat, concetrate, I feel weak and can’t sleep. I wish this pain would just turn to anger right now…it would be easier to deal with it.
my boyfriend just broke up with me lastnight and I feel like I cant breath. I cant believe this is happening to me! how can someone who is “madly in love with me” and “wants nothing more than to be with me forever” allow his temper to just snap and forget about all the love and how much I love him and just quit. its like it is so easy for him to just kick me to the curb like I am just trash to him. He just goes about his normal routine like nothing happened. Like losing the “love of his life” isnt so much as a bump in the road?!?!
And the saddest part is that he had so many flaws and put us through so much but not only did I stick by him through all of it but I cant even seem to see all those negatives about him through my sadness. I dont think I can do this. it physically hurts.
This cant be happening to me again! He did the same thing the last time when we were together after 2 years, emotionally distanced himself and was self absorbed and blamed it all on me. How did I fall for it again?!?! I am a stong, independent young woman. Why would someone beg for so long, almost a year of flowers and loving words to get me back and then just throw me away once he did? I cant help but feel as if he missed some false, idolized vision of what I was and then the person that I actually am now is somehow not good enough for him? I gave him my all, my whole heart every day and it just isnt enough?!?!?!?! how can that be true?!?!
Will I ever run out of tears???????
My dear Andrea,
I know exactly how you are feeling. When the ex broke up with me two and half weeks ago, I sobbed uncontrolably in my bed asking God to take me out of my misery. Yes, I actually wanted to DIE. I am not joking here. Now, please don’t misinterpret, I was by no means suicidal. I had just never felt pain like that before other than the loss of my father. I know EXACTLY how you feel when you said, “how can someone who is “madly in love with me” and “wants nothing more than to be with me forever”…..leave you??? Gosh, I have been asking myself this same question for the past two and a half weeks. I was dumped in an email…imagine that! After being called my ex’s “true love,” etc etc. I am soooo sorry you are going through this break up at the moment. I am glad you have found yourself here on this blog to interact with others who are going through the same painful process; or people who have been through the process and who are here to share their joy of being better people after having gone through it.
It will get easier as time passes. I am at the stage now where I only cry here and there. I am still VERY VERY sad inside tho knowing that it is over. Just make sure you deal with your emotions in a healthy way. I hope you have a strong network of friends and family who can help get you through this tough time. Have you been in contact with your ex?
Greek goddess,
I can not thank you enough for your response. I feel so alone and it makes a world of difference to have your support. I just feel so betrayed. I never would have done this to him, I would look past problems and indiscressions and “work on them together”… bull shit. it was all bull shit because he just took the first hard thing for him and quit. it feels like he was looking for an excape… could I have been so horrible?
We had been together for 2 years (a year ago) and broke up because he was so selfish and focused on himself and his career that he just pushed me away and acted so cold and careless. Then he comes back to me in the fall begging to have me back, claiming to be different and better. he sent flowers and cards and took me out when I would let him for MONTHS! and we got back together again after new years. and now, its like deja vu! its like someone flipped the switch on his heart and he is done. he claims he has too much stress in his life to deal with the stress of us and he doesnt want to put in the effort that I need from him. but all I ever asked of him was for him to be a good, kind hearted man and my partner. I dont think that is too much to ask but I am left here feeling like this is my fault AGAIN!!! he even claims that this is because he cant get over the people I dated LAST SUMMER… seriously?! I mean, really? it feels like he is grasping at straws to push me away. could I really be that bad?
You put exactly how I feel into words, miserable. I asked God the same thing. and I feel even weaker that I am letting someone else have so much control over my life and my happiness. He isnt the only one who is stressed, he isnt the only one who has things to get over! but how am I the only one willing to work it out through anything!?! am I really that stupid? its like I dont have a line that he could cross because I love him too much and make too many excuses for his behavior.
He broke up with me via hateful text messages after he screamed at me and hung up on me on the phone. After an exchange and many tears on my part he claims that he “isnt happy with himself” and needs time.
I have friends and family that care but they are more busy with themselves and getting sick of hearing me cry and all my up and down back and forth drama. They have seen me take him back when all of them warned me and I think they just want to say “I told you so”
I always thought that when people refered to being a “fool for love” they meant it in a good way. Now I see that I was a fool for this because I looked over and forgave everything and put my all into someone who wouldnt do the same. and the sick sad part is, thatall I still want is for him to go back to being a good loving kind man and work things out… how can I be so stupid???
Help me, any advice or commiseration would be appreciated
Andrea,
Your emotions and situation sound pretty similar to mine. My ex was so stressed out with studying for the mcats, taking his last premed class, working and meeting with tutors that I think he just didnt want to deal with working through our problems.
I don’t understand how it is so easy for guys to just walk away, especially when they profess their love to their SOs. Are they THAT arrogant that they think it will always be THAT easy to come back to us, as if we are always going to be waiting around? Or is it that they think there is someone better out there for them? Either way, I can’t even imagine walking away from any person that I love, especially as much as I love my ex.
I feel foolish too. I understanding everything you are feeling. Don’t beat yourself up about taking him back the last time. How were you to know that he was just going to up and walk away again? You said that he said he had changed, and I am sure you believed that at the time. Love is love, and it makes us do crazy things. As unhealthy as I know this sounds, I feel like a part of me would really want to work things out with my ex if he came back to me. But deep down I know that I deserve better, and know that I couldnt respect myself if I did that. I just don’t want to be one of those ppl who never experiences this love again. I know ppl say that there is always something better out there. I believe this, but at the same time, I know ppl who have married and who dont share that love with their partner that they once had. I dont want to get married just bc that is what ppl do. In fact, I refuse to do so.
I am sorry that he broke up with you in such a cowardly way. I feel your pain since my ex sent me a cowardly email. Its like, seriously??? Was that all I was to you??? It is like night and day when I think about who my ex is at the moment compared to who he was for the last two years. Can ppl really just flip a switch and turn off their feelings and change JUST LIKE THAT??? It makes no sense to me either, Andrea.
My family members and friends feel the same way. They are have been telling me how he is a loser and I deserve so much better. The hard thing is that none of them were there for the two years to know what exactly we shared. I know they just care and are just looking out for me, but sometimes it is just better for someone to say I am here for you, instead of saying how they cant wait for you to get past this ordeal.
So you havent heard from him at all? When did you guys break up? How long has it been?
I feel your pain with saying that you are willing to work through anything and how it is BS that he isnt willing to work through tough times bc I feel the same. My ex even told me that his OWN PARENTS didnt love him as wholeheartedly as I have! Can you believe that? How do you just treat someone like this in the end if you recognized how amazing someone treated you?
I wish I had more positive advice to give you, Andrea, but I am in the same boat. Going through the emotions of sadness, anger, bitterness, etc.
I will never understand how time apart really helps two ppl work through something. In my exs case, time apart obviously meant that he wanted to go sleep with other women while he figured out whether or not he wanted to get back with me later on. Or maybe he already knew he was through, and in that case, it was obviously something that had been on his mind bc there is no way a stupid fight like the one we had was a deal breaker. What a coward…..
Andrea, I hope you can somehow find peace through all of this. I am hoping to find the same peace at some point. Aren’t you glad that you are such a better person that him? Can you imagine going through life not dealing with issues head on, and instead dealing with them by running away? I will never understand how ppl hurt the ones they love. Love is all anyone needs in this evil world. Why would you hurt someone who made a committment to alway be there by your side through thick and thin. You know what??? they will figure it out at some point in their lives…when someone breaks their hearts, they will remember when they broke ours. Sad that it works that way, that is that ppl only recognize their behavior when it comes around and bites them in the a**. *sigh
-Greek
Greek
Thanks again for your response. I guess knowing you feel the same way and can understand makes me feel better. None of my friends love him, so they dont understand why I am putting myself through this. knowing you feel the same makes me feel like maybe I am not crazy after all. ha.
My ex actually told me the same thing about his mom! that no one has loved him like I have and no one has his heart… could that all have just been BS? I find that so hard to believe and that is what just keeps me stupidly thinking that this cant be and he is going to come to his senses… but am I stupid enough to still be here waiting? I want to be strong enough to say no… but I honestly dont know if I am. I guess I know I cant count on him to do the right thing and be a good person all of the time. its just a matter of me admitting that. but I want so badly to believe that people can change and be better…? is that possible or am I holding onto false hope?
But I honestly dont know and dont believe in my heart that I can find a better match than he and I were… so what am I supposed to do about that feeling? cause im just sitting here wishing he would be better and realize he does care enough to put in effort.
And I am wondering if I am making up all of these things about him and painting him to be the bad guy simply because it makes me feel better and not blame myself? like if I slander him then it makes me really feel better… but did this all happen because I just wasnt good enough for him? and he will move on and love and adore someone better than me? oh god my mind is spinning… I might be crazy.
He and I were on and off for a week like being on a frickin YoYo until he finally had it and hung up on me and we have exchanged texts since then… which I know I shouldnt do. I just cant help but want him to know how I feel… and is it working to get him back or is it just making me look like a pitiful desperate idiot because his mind is made up and hes sitting there making fun of my desperation?
How long has it been since you had contact with your ex? do you know what he is doing now? I am tormented by thoughts of my ex moving on already….
thanks again for everything. I cant tell you how much it means to me.
I believe people can change and come to their senses, but it is a matter of when and if it will be too late. In my case, my ex lost my trust and our relationship was turned upside down since then. He didnt cheat or anything, and I dont think he really saw the extent of what he did to this day, but little things often turned into big things over the course of the last few months. I read a disrespectful comment that he had written on a blog. He didnt get how it was disrespectful. I def think the fact that he is 5 yrs younger than me had a lot to do with him not understanding why I was upset. Then there was the fact that I had snooped in his stuff and that is how I read this comment. This is the fight that led him to ignoring me for 6 days and then breaking up with me in a freaking email.
I think what isnt allowing me to move on is not knowing what the truth is. I think Id rather have someone say they no longer were in love with me than tell me they are confused and need time apart. Or maybe that was just an excuse so he could get out of the relationship easily and then go sleep with other women. I dont know how two ppl can talk about being each others best friends only for one to turn around and completely abandon the other without reason. I guess that is why I am all over the place bc I was left with NOTHING, no explanation, nothing.
We broke up 3 wks ago, but I havent seen him in a month. I can’t believe it has been that long already. I havent heard from him since the night he broke up with me in a email. I had written him a couple of emails, and sent one txt all of which he never responded to. Talk about making me feel like a complete idiot.
I realize the only way for me to get thru this is to continue to remind myself of all of the negative things about him bc anytime I think about how much I love him or any of the good times it gets me nowhere.
When you asked about whether or not something coule be BS, it reminds me of how I feel like everything he had said for the last two years was BS. About how I was his “true love” about how he wanted to spend the rest of his life with me, blah blah blah. I go over every detail to try and find SOME clue to a change in his behavior and I dunno, I can’t say anything regarding our intimate moments or anything changed. I think the stress of everything changed him and his priorities. He obviously just wants to be free from any responsibility in a relationship.
I udnerstand you holding on and wanting to keep that fantasy about having him realize how badly he wants to be with you and comes back to you. I think all of us who are in this situation and are in love feel this way. Why would we want to start over when we have built this foundation and love with someone else? I am scared out of my mind about the thought of getting back out there in the dating world one day. I have never been scared about that. It was always something I found exciting to do. My ex made me feel so safe in this evil world, and I feel very lost without having him by my side. It isnt a matter of being alone. I am ok being alone, but he was my buddy and my partner and I thought what we had was meant for an eternity. Maybe what this older man at my work said to be is true (who is currently goinbg through a divorce), he said, “nothing lasts forever.” I went from being so happily in love to being that nothing lasts forever. I am miserable at the moment and waiting for this pain to pass.
I say def dont stay in contact with him during this time apart or whatever it is bc he is just having his cake and eating it too. He needs to be completely without you so he can know what it truly is like without you. I dont think talking to him will make you feel any stronger either. In fact, it will only eat you up even more.
If only these guys knew how great we are and how rare we are. It is sad that they are willing to just so easily give us up. My previous ex before this ex would NEVER have let me go. He def knew how amazing of a person I am, unfortunately I didnt love him the same.
UGH..this situation sucks
ps: is it too much to ask to find someone who is as in love and as committed to love as I am??? and the sick sad part is that there is no way to know if they are until after it is too late and your standing alone (usually in a puddle of tears) UGH
Dear Andrea,
It amazes me how similar you’re story is to mine, and just about the same day except for some things. I actually thought you were my ex haha. Her name is Andrea also. Unless this is you and you lying about a few things ha.
The difference with your story is that your ex has a career, I’m self centered but don’t have a career.
I was actually having a panic attack reading your post thinking it was her and the craziness of how I was reading the same thing she did. Also, because she would have been lying on here!
Buuut, I am self centered, its a disease lol. And we both have had problems for a long time and it all started by her complaining that I dont show her enough love and all she did was great things for me, no amazing things. It took time but slowly I started making changes over a year and a half to put it short. I admit I still lacked in doing things great but I was tyring and she even said she knew it but of course it wasn’t enough.
We ended up going on and off for a couple hours or a couple days and one time a week and that really takes a toll on a relationship because you both know in a satisfying relationship, that should definitely not be happening.
I must have taken too long in changing because as I would change I noticed she was too. Except she began to show less interest and stopped doing things for me. I didnt hold it against her because I knew she had been hurt by me earlier for not being a good boyfriend so I kept on going without bothering her. Don’t get me wrong from time to time we still had some good times but it was slowing.
About last week she was being really quiet and at points nasty, and I asked her if she was ok and she said yea. I let it go. Later that night I was in bed and she just got done with her homework and came in bed, turned to me and pretty much said real calmly, “Actually Im not fine, I dont think I’m happy with us anymore.”
Now heres where you wont like my story. I heard her out, I got really quiet, because thats how I get because I cant stop thinking, I have a history of anxiety and panic attacks. Then, sadly, I agreed. And slowly over the next few days we briefly talked about it and what we were going to do and I said I was going to move back to our hometown. We both were sad, but she was more because shes a girl and Im a guy, I told her it hasnt hit me yet but I know it will (It has trust me.) I moved out May 1. Every second gets harder and harder.
Im writing this to you because you were asking why your ex would do that even though he says he loves you. I want to say he does very much. And I’ve heard that love is all you need and wanted to believe that, but for me it wasnt. I love my ex very much but like I said, the more we kept going on and off, the love was still there but it wasnt burning bright anymore. It hurts knowing that your relationship’s good days aren’t winning against the bad days. The bad things become bad habits, such as yelling at eachother instead of talking. Yes, things you can work on but from the start, things that should never have happened. And we tried changing those things but there was no helping it i guess. I dont know your ex but a lot of people generally are alike and I think he was growing tired of seeing the relationship hurt so badly as I did. Like me, he probably is knowing it is for the best interest for both of you to move on. Trust me, he is not thinking about himself right now more than he is thinking of you. He just knows what is right for you two and is fighting so hard to not call you because he knows it will end up in a fight and cause the pain to be prolonged. Just because he wont answer you or isnt talking as much doesnt mean he doesnt care about you. You are not human to be with someone for that long and not care and feel for that person. I know I’m struggling to call my ex everytime I feel that horrible empty feeling but I fight it because I know we arent right for eachother anymore. I admit I’ve sent a few texts here and there wondering if she was okay (even though I know shes not but it feels good hearing her say shes hanging in there.)
My point is it may seem that what he is doing is cold, but really there is no easy way to do it. No matter what he does from this point, you are going to take it the wrong way and say hes an asshole but in a breakup even when you are trying to do the right thing you are still the jerk. Im just trying to show you that me and him are probably thinking the same things and wouldnt want anything more than to see you girls happy, because we couldnt work. And most of all and the worst and hardest of all is that not talking is sadly the best thing. At least till you have healed some.
My advice to you is try and forgive him, and go through your sadness without hatred for him, and slowly move on. Good things will happened just as it did for previous good things.
Dear Grace;
I feel ur pain an dur lost, I been there…I ex-broke up with me 2 months ago and it is not easy to go true the day…He was married also same as me, I never ask for any comitment but , he got to into it, and then presuring me….To make the story short, One day after almost 2 years and half, he broke up and leave behind all those happy moments …I felt terrible, I end up in a big depresion, I still taking antidepresant, But I feel much better then 2 months ago, when the pain was to hard to take…I think of him everyday, but at the same time, I’m trying to forget him, cause if i dont that link will stay there for ever….Is hard and is all about time…U need to heal….Take care ur self….See the positive of the situation i know is hard, But trust me u can do it…I did it…If u want to felt for him again go head, But trust me, they always said what we want to heard, just to have us close…And thats not love, is an obsession….Is an addiction….And i still working on it, To break that cicle…..This is the perfect time to find ur self, remember who u are, who u was before u meet him…..Hope this help u….And feel free to chat with me..I understand u
Dear Grace, I can empathise with your situation. Have you seen a counsellor? I think it would be very beneficial right now. No matter bleak life may seem to you right now, know that you are not alone. Everyone suffers and face crisis at certain points in their life. When life gets tough tell yourself you are strong. Things will get better. I wish you all the best.
Thank you Eve for your message to Grace. Grace I am glad you are here. Please listen to the Moving On Series podcasts. They will help. Peace Susan
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Thank you !!! I hurt so much and I did find comfort Thanks for this Blessing Robert
What a great relief to find GPYP. It is an answer to a prayer.
Thanks!
I have been crying for days and days listening to him telling me it is all my fault but now I have learned so much from just reading this I was doing everything wrong, I thank you for heading me in the right direction. I know now I can move on and I am the better person. Thanks you so much I can start a new life and I don’t need a man in my life to do it just yet. My prayers were answered. GOD BLESS
Nancy
What a fabulous entry. I am married now for several years, but have tried to remain friends with a distructive ex off and on over the last 10 years and within this last year those attempts blew up in my face. After getting into some issues about being in touch with me by HIS wife, he basically ripped me apart and went from telling me what a valued friend I’d become over the years (something he never told his wife) to telling me that he never wanted to talk to me again. Basically insecurities from his wife compounded the issue and in the end he ripped me up one side and down the other and when I tried to seek forgiveness for whatever I had done (to this day I’m still not sure as he never would tell me), instead of forgiving me he name a new list of things I had supposedly done. It was very painful and I have sought a peaceful resolution for several months now to no avail. He does not respond and I know now that part of my problem has been trying to stay in touch with him on any grounds! He always said we had to stay friends or that meant I was weak or something, but I know feel re-affirmed after reading this that sometimes an ex is an ex for a reason.
Thank you for your encouraging and enlightening words of wisdom and your wise words to NOT TALK TO THE EX IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM! It will bring heartache not closure. Thank you for putting that in there as it is a mistake many people make (I know several friends have made it along with myself).
I agree with Nancy that your post is an answer to prayer.
God Bless
As with others who have posted an opinion in response to your post, I have tried to keep in contact with my ex with a view to salvaging our broken relationship. Although I was aware she had met someone else, I conveniently ignored this and kept the communications channels opened. What has become apparent having read your straightalking advice is that there is only one option – keep focussed on moving forward and refrain from contacting her. I can’t thank you enough for inspiring me to regain control of my emotions and appreciate the fact that recovery is made up of a number of stages, some of which I still need to go through. The key to this is the acknowledgement that what I am suffering is a natural period of grief that will only resolve itself if I learn to let go without harbering any regrets. Your post has provided me and others with a renewed outlook on life and for this, I send you my most heartfelt thanks.
Peace!
My heart was smashed not so long ago, I lost best friend and a lover of 7,5 years. We said goodbye as most in love people ever… Heartbreaking. Why he left me? His MOM wouldn’t leave him alone and wanted him back. Ever been dumped for a mom?
My life crashed into pieces, I was living on water for 2 weeks. Then I started my life all over again, slowly climbing up. I already made some changes in my life, but the sadness and dissapointment stay. How long does it hurt?
Best luck to all heartbroken.
Susan, Everyone Reading On this Board…
Thanks for writing back; I wish I could’ve read this during my breakup as we both went back and forth doing revengeful things. This was BEFORE I signed my NO CONTACT agreement; revenge was flying through the air. I have read recently about something that I think I am suffering from it is called Obsessive Relational Progression where you can’t let go and move on until you have devastated and have taken out revenge on the other person.
This was the case before I read your article, I deeply regret hurting her, but she sought the revenge 1st and I and her went back and forth like saying “who can hurt each other more?”
She finally ENDED it and we prayed and forgave each other but I NEVER did that in any relationship I was in and I think I did it because my meds were off. Now I see how bad it was that my meds are finally working (too late in time for us but who would want a relationship like that anywise?)
I hope if anyone can glean some insight from this, PLEASE DON’T SEEK REVENGE!
Talk about it, seek counsel, write nasty letters and DO NOT SEND THEM or CALL THEM! Journal and get it off your chest by having an Accountability partner WHO when you get the urge to call or write, IM, or email that one who ripped your heart out, CALL OR EMAIL THEM!!! If no one is available, WAIT until they ARE available or call a crisis line and TALK ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS AND GET THEM OUT! and AVOID hurting that person more by dropping to their self-destructive level!
Here’s a link to the article that is helping me along with my therapist. http://www.relationshipaddict.com/Obsessivelovewheel.html
My therapist says I probably have some OCD (Obsessive Compulsive Disorder) and the fact that I was very hurt by my recent breakup led me to wanting to seek revenge, that and the ol’ Devil.
I feel every relationship is different and that some people can be friends, but other have too many problems that unfortunately you do not see until you are going through a med adjustment and are well, then you SEE IT ALL CLEARLY!
Why in the world would you WANT to be friends? UNLESS they split amicably and peacefully telling you it wasn’t your fault they just didn’t see a future with you. Hey I think it is best to just make a CLEAN BREAK and NOT remain friends, UNLESS you both spend at least 1 month’s time AWAY from each other and can HANDLE being friends WITHOUT interfering in each other’s lives.
As far as you TornApart, How long does it hurt? As long as we dwell on it and FAIL to grieve daily for like 30 mins and then find other things to do. DO NOT start another relationship when you are vulnerable and on the REBOUND. You are just trying to “Anesthetize” you pain away, but if you are a girl go out with girl friends if a guy go out with guy friends….
Avoid going to places that remind you of them, or playing music you both loved or spending a long time viewing old pictures when you were together. Grieve and take time to grieve, then eventually get RID of all traces of them if you are comfortable doing so. There is NOTHING wrong with keeping Good memories of the good but you need to forgive ALL of the bad and tell them you forgive them, then forgive and love yourself because you are NOT a failure and you can and will go on. Each person is different and a breakup takes time, which heals…
If they gave you some gifts everytime you look at the gift disassociate ANY feelings of good and instead say, this person HURT me ALOT and I WILL NEVER EVER GET INVOLVED with that type of person or that type of relationship EVER again!
Just remember that you are better off WITHOUT the dead-end relationship and you will eventually be more careful and have learned something from your past mistakes.
I have and I know I will NEVER let myself get to the point of revenge as I did with this one which was the only relationship that I sought revenge outta like many others that I have had. Many other had breakups as well but I never let them get to me because I was allot more stable at the time.
When we are not well mentally we have “tunnel vision” and ONLY see the person as hurting and we must help them, that is NOT healthy at all! If we were healthy, we would NOT be attracted to that type of person in the 1st place, hence less headaches… Know what I mean?
Guard your heart and stay busy, keep good memories and learn from what made you feel this way and say to yourself, I will AVOID this type of Obsessive Relational Progression like the PLAQUE!…
I Know it is HARD to let go, but we need not be codependent to exist and we are NOT failures because 1 person in the entire world makes us feel that way!
Now if I could only PRACITCE what I PREACH!
Life is a series of good and bad, the main thing is that we learn from the bad and seek help to IMPROVE ourselves thru getting help, loving ourselves and learning NOT to OBCESS about anyone. This that will ultimately end up DESTROYING whatever we have if it is suffocated or they are suffocating us.
Life is too short to have a relationship that gets physical right away BEFORE we truly find out what that person is all about.
Go slow and AVOID INTIMACY until you are married, If I did that I wouldn’t be typing this now. Breakups are ALWAYS more painful when you share more than just a friendship and are CLOSER because you were intimate in that relationship.
The main thing is pray and seek God’s wisdom about the right one for you, and don’t give up and love yourself no matter WHAT Anyone DOES to you!
Learn, and share and help someone else who is going thru the same thing, that is WHY God gave you the bad experiences in life, to learn from it and help others so they can AVOID the same mistake we did.
Ciao!
Matt
Here is My NO-Contact Agreement I Made Up!
Feel Free to use it and copy it, It could SAVE you ALOT of grief later!
Surviving A Break-Up
The “No Contact” Contract:
I hereby pledge that I will not prolong my anguish by attempting to contacting my ex or to orchestrate any elaborate “accidental” meeting with him or her. My healing has now begun and I will avoid re-opening those wounds like I would avoid punching myself in the face. I promise that, by “contacting my ex” I mean every single form of communication from phone calls to IMs, to chat boards, to friends passing messages. I will not call or write emails or snail mails. I probably will think about my ex… quite a bit in fact. But I promise that this pain and the need for contact with them will diminish over time. I will Block their emails, IM’s and NOT ever call them again.
I will daily take time to grieve until I am healed and forgive them. I will read a list of all the bad things that we had in our relationship and not look back. I will not drive myself crazy by attempting to “undo” what has happened or loose my dignity by crawling back, begging or lowering myself to their level by trying to get revenge.
I WILL call my therapist/friend every time I get the urge to contact them. When I talk to my therapist/friend it will be so that I do NOT prolong the agony of a relationship that will never be. I may or may not eventually throw out all their pictures and delete them from my life entirely. I will NOT take them back since I could never trust them again after the pain they put me through and all the pain I put them through. I need to go on alone or with another that is more together. I will find someone who loves me, trusts me and accepts me as I am and that I love myself. I need not feel that I am a failure and that no one wants me. I am a good person, but the relationship was just was not a good fit. I will take it slow and not rush into another relationship until I am more healed. I can do better than the relationship
I had and I have become stronger for it.
Signed: (Your Name Here) __________________________________
Dated: (Today’s Date Here) _________________________________
In other words, the other person saw long before I did that our relationship, however great it seemed that I wasn’t The One. Part of what hurts so much about being dumped is that it wasn’t your decision. It’s essential to remember that God works in mysterious ways. Sometimes, He gives you the clarity that a relationship isn’t meant to be. Sometimes He gives it to the other person.
If you trust that God loves you, you’ll want to go wherever He takes you and understand that He’s taking you there for a reason. You Will Survive!
Accept what has happened, if God wants you back together, he will make a way; if not then accept the fact that your relationship was just not meant to be. Say the time we spent together we had a lot of good, but the bad outweighed the good. If someone has problems but will not change, there isn’t anything in the world I can do to make them change or love me. Make a list of all the things they did that drove you crazy and what you did that drove them crazy and why your are not together now, then read it several times a day. Stay busy, Let it Go and move on, and find another when you are healed and expect good things to happen.
These are excellent Matt. Thanks for sharing and thanks for being here.
i’m new to this site, so bare with me. My ex and i broke up almost a year ago .. stupidly, i am constantly trying to contact him in hopes that he’ll realize what a mistake our breakup was and we’ll get back together. i text, instant message, call, check his myspace and his facebook. i know i’m only like this bc i cannot have him and if i could, i wouldnt want him. It’s obvious to me that he has moved on .. dating wise & etc. I on the other hand havent been on a date since him. i just dont have the drive to move on, i’m too stuck on him. We dated for two years and i pretty much lied about myself until i fessed up and he was over me. Honestly, i lied bc i didnt think it was gonna be long term but i ended up falling madly in love with this guy and i just couldnt tell him the truth after two years. He doesnt believe that my feelings for him were ever genuine and he thinks im a complete bitch for lying. i am, i should have never ever done what i did but i was stuck in the moment. I cannot take the pain anymore, seeing him with someone else .. happy with anyone but me kills me inside. ive been a cutter for years but too scared to completely kill myself. But these days i figure why not, maybe if i do, he’ll realize i really did love him the entire time? Probably not. i know killing yourself over a guy is completely retarded & why should i love someone who doesnt love me back, right? but i cannot come to terms with it .. its almost been a year!! he’s moved on, why cant i?!!? most recently i called him in hopes of putting my feelings out on the table and thinking he’d fall back in love with me but he told me he doesnt love me, he’s over me, he hates me, his family hates me, his friends hate me and that i ruined two years of his life. the worst part is that i still want to contact him .. Sorry for rambling on .. this probably makes absolutely no sense at all but it felt good to get it off of my chest. thanks
Elle, I am glad you are here. Have you been evaluated for depression? If not, please see a professional. You need some psychic energy to move on…it sounds like you are clinically depressed and mightbe helped with some medication…then you can do the work involved in getting over it. Please have an evaluation. YOU CAN GET OVER THIS AND HAVE A WONDERFUL LIFE. But first you must take care of you. PLEASE SEE A PROFESSIONAL or talk to your doctor. PLEASE. Please feel free to email me privately.
Thanks for your feedback. honestly, im ashamed to get help. i shouldnt be, but i am .. i wouldnt even know what to say or how to deal with it .. this is the closest ive been to saying my feelings in a year.
You are right, there is nothing to be ashamed of. Unexpressed grief festers within us. The only way out is to express it…talk about it, let peple know. You can do it…please do not be ashamed…we all have been there. Hugs to you.
Your post helped me nd makes a lot of sense. I feel dumb for being so upset about a relationship that only lasted 6 months, but I am having trouble sleeping and don’t want to eat. The hardest part is that the relaionship went from being incredible with him introducing me to his family to wanting a “break” all within a week. During the break, I called and sent text messages constantly and, even though I really want to continue seeing him I realized I was driving myself mad, so I wrote a break-up letter and hand-delivered it yesterday. It made me feel like there was some closure which is good, but I am still really depressed.
What makes thing worse is that I am supposed to go on an international trip next week and see places I’ve dreamed about. He was not going to come with me, but still the sudden break-up has been so hard on me emotionally and physically I don’t know whether I should cancel it? It is hard enough not being able to sleep at home I am worried not being able to sleep abroad would be terrible. Any advice?
Also, what are your thoughts on age gaps? I am 30 and the guy I was dating was in his early 20s. I am attracted to younger guys but am wondering if in the future I should avoid this? I always thought it was the person that mattered and not age, but I wonder now if he was just too young to know what he wanted?
Thanks so much for your wonderful advice
to S in CA:
I hope you go on your trip. I’d hate for you to miss out on a great opportunity. As for grieving a six month relationship, please don’t judge yourself or minimize the importance of the relationship or your grief.
I’ve been doing the journaling grief work for a couple of weeks now and I feel much better. I think getting away will be amazing for you. It could change your perspective and it’s a great way to be good to yourself!
As for younger guys, I’ve tried it and it wasn’t for me. Maybe not dating for a while would be good for you? That’s what I’m doing and it feels good.
take care of yourself…..huggg
Well this information was most helpful. Me and my boyfriend broke up and I suffer from depression real bad and my anxiety has been horrible.I need to keep my head up but I still want to talk to him, hear his voice, just look into his eyes. But, we haven’t seen each other adn the only reason we are going to is to split the bank account, at least he didn’t take my money as in previous relationship. But, this is hard because truely he was a good person always there for me but I made several bad choices and he always still stood by me but this time it was to much, I pushed to envelope to far. i Miss him terribly, this website is real helpful though
Hi, about two months ago, my ex girlfriend broke up with me she said she lost feelings for me, and wanted to remain single. This relationship was long distance, and it was hard to spend time together. We still talk, and email me each, and I do like her as a person, but my feelings for her have gradually passed since the break up. This was my first relationship. Do you think it would be okay to meet with her, to talk. I want to be sure about how I feel, and I don’t want her to be the one that got away.
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How do we email Susan? She mentioned in an earlier post that someone was welcome to email her, but I can’t find a link to her address.
The man who i thought I was going to marry left me, high and dry, with no explanation other than saying we were not compatible. Three weeks later he is with another woman, (she moved in across the apartment from him, and she is gorgeous). I did thinkgs with this man that I believe should only be between a husband and wife, but because I was so confident that I was to marry him, I aloud myself to. He has already done those same things with the new woman. We share mutual friends, (his roommates and their girlfriends are my close friends). This is the third week that every morning I have woken up Ihave thrown up. every day. i. throw. up. I am now down to 98 pounds and I do not know what to do. I pray everyday, I read everyday, and I still hurt. My body is aching. I cannot sleep, I cannot eat and when I force myself to I cannot keep my food down. He recently said some hurtful words through text messages, calling me crazy and telling me no wonder it was so easy to drop me. (all i ever asked him for post break-up was an explanation). This man has changed, and I am so confused because he was so amazing and I lvoe him so much. Someone, anyone. please help. Im wasting away. and I am scared.
I heart breaks from reading your post. I am newly broken up as well, but my ex went about the break up in a very dignified and mature way. i am devasted from the breakup, more than anything i wanted to be with this woman. i started reading Sharon Salzbery “The art of happiness: loving kindness, and have started meditating and seeing a counselor. Please go see a counselor immediately.
love
ardis
Hi there I am one of those sorting out through a recent break-up of 6-months relationship. Reason? We were supposed to move in together this June… In May I found out that it wouldn’t happen, at least not it June, because (and I am not making it up!) he is in 9 years relationship with his secretary, who lives with him… Naturally, he said that he wanted to be with me, but she had nowhere to live so he needed to buy her something and sort this out before we could be together.
After storming out of this conversation I made all possible mistakes: I stayed in touch with him, I called him and texted him, I even had sex with him – by the way it was really bad and I never felt so miserable in my life. Yesterday I finally did what I should have done month ago – I deleted his number from my phone so when I am tempted to call him again I wouldn’t be able to do it. Luckily I don’t remember his number by heart. We had “no-e-mails” policy – now I know why – so e-mail contact is also out of question. The biggest challenge for me these days is to stop hating myself for not ending it in a dignified way, for staying in touch, for my neediness. What was I thinking? That he’d understand his mistake? Silly! Anyway, I am writing this to tell you that “no contact rule” is THE rule to follow after the break-up although my experience shows that we do slip it is never late to start fresh. Do it and you WILL feel better. I am also trying to keep myself as busy as possible – thankfully my job gives me plenty of opportunities. It hurts, it really does, but somehow I feel more optimistic now. I made this first step now I just need to keep moving. God helps us all! Irena
I broke up with my girlfriend a month ago. We had an interesting relationship. The first time we met was 13 years ago in a french busary program. It was magical…see each other across the room bit. We spent an amazing summer in 94 as lovers. We were both young and foolish and did the long distance thing for an year and like all good things…it came to an end. She moved to my city for university and I had trouble letting go. I became crazy dude….constant phone calls asking why we couldn’t get back together b/c we still love each other.
Fast forward 10 years later and about 8 relationships later…I was in a limo on my way to Bolivia…when there she was walking across the street right in front of my limo. I ran after her and both our eyes lit up. We exchanged contact info and I hop back into the car b/c I was late for my flight. I was travelling in South America for 2 months all the time thinking about our chance meeting. When I got back I instantly contacted her…unfortunately we were both in relationships at the time. We waited another 4 mths (what’s 4 mths compared to 10 yrs) until we both broke up in our repective relationships. It was an amazing 10 mths…the most beautiful and happiest time in my life. Then she got a job in the west coast in a place where I couldn’t get a job in my profession. We decided to do the long distance relationship again. During this time she had an emotional affair(email and telephone) with a guy from the west coast. She finally told me about it and it broke my heart. I mean we were given a 2nd chance at things…why would she do that…she said she has never been happier then she is with me. It took mths but I finally forgave her and we were in a very loving and supportive relationship until the guy(she had an emotional affair with) came back to the place where she is living. I found out they went to dinner together…I snapped and told her “Good Riddance!!” Then I called her looking for an explanation but she didn’t have the compassion to answer the phone. Then she somehow finds out the guy is a womanizer and has STD’s from it. Instantly she tells me she made a big mistake and totally loves me. But she still hangs out with the guy. This went on 4 or 5 times until I finally stop being a doormatt…and told her ‘I wish her nothing but happiness but please stop contacting b/c it breaks my heart everytime’. We had no contact until yesterday when she text me…asking for patience and to allow her time to think things through. I didn’t reply.
This was the love of my life…I know that since I have never loved someone before…even in my previous relationships. She always said we were destined to be together while I said relationships take hard work…but it’s all worth it when you love someone. Even after all the things she’s done to me…I don’t think she’s really a bad person…just confused and lonely being in a long distance relationship is not for her.
She just needs to stop using me and stringing me along. While I need to stop the pain.
James: The reason you can’t love someone else (8 relationships??) is because you never let her go–Let her go already! If you don’t – there will be another 8 + “dead end” and unloving relationships in your future…
James, your words strike a chord. I am in another city on business and guess how did I spend 2 hours of my flight? Thinking about my ex and what happened over and over again. Yes he did use me – I didn’t mention before that I was a free business advisor during those 6 months – and he did lie to me and he did string me along.
Still it was me who ignored all the signs, deep down I knew that something was wrong for quite some time but didn’t want (or was afraid?) to confront him. And at the end it was ME who behaved silly and irrational – really, I cannot forgive myself for that. I wish I could apologize for my silly behaviour even though I know that he doesn’t care anymore and probably chalked me off as “this psycho I dated some time ago”. And (thank God!) I don’t have his contact details anymore.
So all what is left is to take the challenge, accept that it was not meant to be… eventually the pain will stop. I know it will and after days / weeks maybe months of agony I’ll be fine. What doesn’t kill us makes us stronger, right?
I came across this site today at work because I was dumped about a month ago and have been having a hard time moving on. One minute Iam in bed with this man who is telling me he loves me and 4 days later he informs me that he has asked someone else out and they have been together every since. We have been off and on for over 3 years. This last time I told him I didnt want to rush anything and we needed to learn to trust eachother and enjoy eachother. We agreed we would go to counseling and we did one time, to which the counselor told him he was high school in his mentality with relationships and he had a problem being intimiate with someone. (not sexually, but allowing someone to be close to him before he pushes them away) For so long I felt like I gave my whole life to please him and did whatever I could to show how much I loved him only to be told that was all a lie and be accused of lying and hiding things. I really felt after not seeing eachother for 5 months it could be different when he started calling me again and for awhile it was. He was so attentive and so remorseful, yet I kept telling him that I didnt want to rush back into something. That was all good with him for about 2 months and then the pressure of are we or arent we a couple started and it went all down hill from there.
I feel embarassed that I feel back into this situation again and once again Iam the one who is hurt and a wreck while he is off having a great time with his new girlfriend…
And of course he has totally blown me off like I was just a piece of trash and thrown away!!!
One last misery to this is that we work right next to one another and do business with eachother so daily I see him outside or deal with his work a couple times a week… I feel like I cant get away from him, even though he isnt bothering me in any way, I just feel like I cant move forward with having him not only in my thoughts constantly but working beside him as well.
Any words of advise would be so much appreciated…and I feel like I was meant to find this site to help me learn to let go and never go back.
Much thanks and love
tsk, is there an option of changing assignement (temporarily) or going on an extended business trip for few months?
Dear all…
This website has been very helpful to me. I just experience a terrible broke up as well.
I met this guy over internet and we went from being friends to steady girlfriend and boyfriend. he was my 1st steady boyfriend and i’m 27. only 2 mnths later i found out that he was cheating on me. He had another girlfriend for 3 years behind my back and once i found out, i confronted him. He literally avoided me and told me, he will settle thing. I trusted him and gave him time to clear what he told me was a misunderstanding.
but when 2 days pass and he didn’t clear the issue with me, i confronted him again and he confess to me that it’s true. He mention he has no choice but to marry the girl as the parents and family were all against him from breaking up with her. It’s so stupid and one of the most idoitic answer i can hear. But nonetheless, we did broke up.
I was devastated and sad. He still wants to remain friends with me and he say he cannot afford to lose me as he treasures our communication and friendship. I am torn as i do feel i still love him but i cannot allow him to hurt me anymore. I’ avoiding him now and i felt terrible that from a loving and caring person, over night he turn into a stranger whom i never know.
He could afford to lose you when he cheated on you. If he treasured you, he wouldn’t have cheated on you.
Do not allow him to hurt you anymore. He wants what he wants when he wants it. He cannot have you. That’s all. He made that decision with his behavior months ago. Do you want someone like this as a friend? A selfish cheater?
A healthy person holds their friends up to standards too. Cut this guy loose. He didn’t say he wants to be friends because of what it will do to you, but what it will be for HIM. He’s only thinking of himself…think of yourself…cut the ties.
hugs and peace
Susan
Irena,
Unfortunatly I don’t have the option to take a leave or transfer if only temporary. I am going on vacation in a few weeks for my sister’s wedding and will be gone for a week. In one aspect I am looking forward to it and in another I am overwhelmed about being away. I almost feel like even being close to him even if it is just because of where our companies are that he might be seeing me as well and missing me.
I know that is probably crazy and I shouldnt even worry about anything like that but I do
tsk,
I think being away will do you good, it will take your thoughts off your ex and will give you an opportunity to think about you and what do you want without daily reminder of your past. Please don’t hang on hope that he misses you.
Hello everyone,
I’d like to say what a great breath of fresh air this site is and so comforting with much sense shared by you good people. Thank you.
I live in Sussex, south of London, England and to be honest, there is nothing like this website targetted at Brits. Sometimes I wish my fellow citizens would wear their hearts a little closer to their sleeves and not be so stoic about things as trivial as relationship breakups.
Grace – in an earlier post – touched me so much with her candor that I felt compelled to write. Thank you Grace.
The relationship with my ex-partner of 11 years ended two years ago and since then I have struggled to come to terms with the loss of her, the children, close friends and her family, my home and my career.
I have made so many mistakes and caused so much hurt I don’t deserve forgiveness, but I feel I must tell someone before my sanity gives out and I lose my soul forever. I’m not seeking sympathy and I don’t feel sorry for myself but at times in the past I felt the world would be better without me, but then I have already run away too much for that and I’m trying to face my responsibilities probably for the first time in my life.
When I first met my partner, I was already dating someone else but because of my insecurities and selfishness (which I know now came from my childhood), I fell into the trap of starting another relationship before finishing the first. Not through being evil or manipulative, but through fear of being on my own. The irony is I genuinely did not want to cause pain to either party and could not bring myself (cowardice) to be honorable and tell them.
This carried on for two years and in that time I genuinely fell in deep love with my ex-partner. But guilt was eating away at me. She had two small children from a previous marriage and I loved them all dearly. As fate would have it (because we did take sensible precautions), the person who I was also seeing became pregnant and decided to keep the child. I felt totally out of control of my life but it did catalyse my decisions. Worst of all I finished with my pregnant girlfriend by deciding to make a life with the woman I did love.
I paid maintenance for my son (and continue to do so) but did not tell my partner about his existence again through cowardice, self protection and stupidity. We set up home together and I vowed to myself to do everything I could to give my partner and her family a beautiful home and a secure and loving environment for her children. But for several years I rejected my own. I was in deep denial and the guilty conscience kept on building.
After four years, I finally broke and confessed to my partner. She was devastated as you may imagine. She tried to come to terms with it and for a while it seemed that we could remain together, but I know now that she was really putting her children first whilst she got back on her feet. She is a strong and courageous woman. One of those stoic Brits.
Because of the years of suppressing guilt, denial and my conscience eating me like some uncontrolled cancer, I went into a deep depression which only compounded our relationship problems. It became an uncontrolled spiral, the deeper I went into depression, the more understanding I needed from my family, the less I got and the depression deepened. I lost a highly successful career and matching salary through that depression and at one point considered ending my life. Selfish through and through.
So no surprise (or it should not have been) when she took control of her life and ended our relationship two years ago, it was at a low point in my life – or so I thought. She told me that afternoon, she had already left me years earlier.
I had already sought counselling and was beginning to pull myself around, when I discovered she was seeing someone else. A guy 15 years her junior – sweet revenge. To me he became everything I was not. Tall, handsome, youthful, with honour and integrity, loyalty, selfless, courageous although I’d never met him. All the things I wanted to be but not part of my character. Unfortunately, her knowing I was depressed used the knowledge for revenge and retribution, playing on my insecurities by forcing me out of my home, forcing me to sell my property portfolio and giving her fully half of everyting which I did willingly in the hope of salvaging our relationship.
I know I’m not a bad person, just a weak one. I did support her fully through a full time university degree and business school while we were together, put her children through private education, bailed her out of financial trouble when she ran up credit card bills, gave her a beautiful home, holidays and loved and looked after
her children, looked after her parents.
But I lost them all.
The hardest day of my life came when finally moving out of the family home in March and having to do it on my own with my ex, her boyfriend, his friends, her family – all helping her and standing supporting each other.
The one good thing that came from all this is I have been able to develop a loving relationship with my son. I don’t ever want to be estranged from him like I was with my own father. He is beautiful, sensitive, intelligent and caring.
I will always have to live with the guilt of what happened, but I know that I cannot alter the past only my future is determined by my actions from now.
I truly wish my ex finds lifelong contentment and love with whomever she choses to be with. I have apologised in person to her and the children, her family, my son and his mother, my friends, my family for all the hurt and pain I have caused and don’t expect forgiveness from any of them.
I know full well that my actions in the early days of that relationship, ultimately sowed the seeds for destruction of both the relationship and self so many years later.
All I need to do now is forgive myself so that I can move on with my own life.
Take care good people.
Marti.
I broke up with my girlfriend of 2 and half years because I found out she was emotionally cheating on me with another guy for months through email. Then I found out as soon as we broke up she began dating the guy(within the week)
I was so hurt and upset because I thought she was the love of my life. She was the person I trusted and loved most in this world…and I never imagine she would hurt me like this.
So I went insane. She gave me her password to her email account a long time ago and she forgot about it but I never used it. After she cheated on me I used it and saw the email exchange between her and the other guy (you never want to see that, it just added to the pain…trust me). I just wanted retaliation, which is awful (it just makes you feel worse)…so I created a fake account email a group of his friends and her saying shit about him. Turns out he was really a shitty person…a lot of his ex-girlfriends responded and said terrible things about him. But this didn’t make me feel better…it made me feel worse…so I went back to my ex’s email and started deleting all the emails from the fake account. This is when she figured out it was me. She’s not 100% sure but she’s pretty sure it’s me. She’s been emailing the fake account asking to reveal who it is or otherwise she knows it’s me. I feel sick to my stomach having done this. Yes she cheated on me but what I did was insane. I never done anything like this and I still can’t believe I did it.
I still can’t believe how crazy I went.
Should I confess to her?
after 10 years of being with the girl I truly thought I was going to marry she leaves me a note on Tuesday stating she took some clothes to her moms house and that she was spending the night—a phone call later I asked when she was coming home and she responded “I’m not this isn’t working for me” That is the only explanation I received, so after 10 years, 2 dogs and a condo I am now left with no dogs, but all the responsibilities of this condo. Everywhere I turn there are things that remind me of “us” what do I do? how in the world do I move on???
Uh, did you ever give her a ring?
I am sitting here reading all of these letters and its very strange to say – but it feels good that I am not the only one feeling like the world is going to crash around me. After 6 years with my partner; he told me he wanted to have a ‘break’ when I came to visit him 2 months ago. We have spent 6 years travelling the world, meeting way back then in England, and then moving back home to Australia (I am Australian), then back to England and finally last year to France (he is French). I really wanted to settle in Australia but he didnt, so we moved back to England and after nearly 2 years in England he wanted to head to France and even though I was working in my dream job and didnt speak French, I headed over to join him. I know that its terrible to have these feelings, but I really hated giving it all up and moving to France and the idea really made to negative about the move. I knew that we were not getting on as well as we had, and I really thought that moving to France would bring us back together and fix it all. I was so wrong, and together with having problems with the language, he constantly told me that I should change the way I dressed, that I should wear more maekup etc etc… After spending 5 months here, a met a lovely man who told me many things that I wished my partner had told me, and this made things worse for me. I could have kissed this guy, but he had the honestly to tell me that he would never start a relationship with me while I was still in my current relationship – and looking back I am very lucky that he was like that. My partner found out and after a terrible Christmas, I was offered my old job back in England and we decided that it would be good for me to take it – and that we would work it all out. When I returned to France I was told that he wanted a ‘break’ and that he had started a relationshiop with a friend of mine and that she had moved into our place, with all of my clothes, books, furtniture and even my cat still in the flat!!! I am totally heartbroken by all of this, and he tells me that he doesnt love her and that it was her idea to move into the flat. Right now I am in France to try and sort this out, and have even had to get my mother to fly in from Australia as I really feel that I cant cope with this. I knew that there were problems, but I still love him so much. Friend have told me to never go back to him, but I am very scared that I will. There are things that I dont love about him but there are things that I cant get out of my head.. and it breaks my heart! My family back home tell me to return to Australia, but I feel like I am running away!! How do I do this and how do I get over the man that I thought would be with me all my life??
I suggest joining our getting past your breakup group (purple link on the right) for a great group for support!!!
This is the best article I’ve seen on break up. This has been EXTREMELY helpful and insightful.
THANK YOU SO MUCH!
I’m glad I came across this website. My boyfriend of one year broke up with me two months ago claiming it was because he was tired of compromising when we had disagreements. He wanted to be right more often and get his way, and didn’t like the fact that I would stand up for myself and my beliefs. Up until the minute we broke up, he was telling me how much he loved me, etc. When we broke up, he cried and begged me not to take away our friendship. Now he contacts me over IM and wants me to come over to his house to fool around, but is adament in saying that he doesn’t want to “lead me on”. He says he wants to be friends, but refuses to do “friend-things”. He only wants me to come to his house when he wants and do what he wants–which is very “un-friend” like. I am appalled at this and can’t figure out what is going on in his head. I know he is being a jerk, but yet I miss him so much and love him like crazy that I just can’t get over him. I’m not proud of it, but I did go to his house a couple of times thinking that maybe he wanted to get back together–wrong. He was just using me for his own physical pleasure. It seemed like it was easier to deal with this right after the break-up, but two months later it hurts more than ever. Any advice?
It’s been 2 months but I find that it is a constant struggle. A constant stuggle not to think of you, with either love or distain. A struggle not to curse you or to call you. I wake early in the mornings with a sense of exactly what my day will entail – another day passing the minutes but experiencing none of them, false smiles and cheerful words – happiness an emotion no longer achievable. A struggle even to decifer why I am so unhappy: is it because the one person who could bring me that elated emotion is gone or because I fear I am uncapable of bringing myself to that same level of joy. A constant struggle not to collapse into the pain which surrounds my every move and the biggest stuggle is to stop my mind from constantly drifting to thoughts of you – your words which could help me to soar above all, only to rip me down later, your touch so natural and gentle – or so angry and damning. I fear there will always be this gap where you once were, and that I will always be searching for something to fill it, although nothing quite fits. I hope the cliche that time heals all wounds rings true, for the alternative is unimaginable. Through all my years of heartbreak, it is not till now that I view this particular love, as a curse. As I mourn us, I will not regret you
I came across this website just a few hour ago…and i’m really glad about it.the article and all the comments trully helped me to figure out that i was not the problem in our relationship (my ex: you’re the one who gradually ruined it all) and that i’m actually going to be fine (as soon as i really start focusing on ME).
it’s just hard to realize that he is not a part of your life anymore (and will never again be), after 4 years it is hard!
but i guess i’m doing it quite alright…
take care….
thanks
WOW! James….I think you pretty much covered how I feel exactly with what you have written. However, I do not believe that time heals all wounds…I believe we have to heal them ourselves…one…day…at..a…time! I can honestly say that reading this blog and it’s feedback has just now opened my eyes to other possibilities….positive ones. Thank you!
Thank you for you blog, It is helping me to move on now more then before. I was in a relationship for almost 6 years on/off with a married man . We both Married. We were co-workers not anymore. He decide to breakup our friendship with no explanation what so ever. I know it;s problably the best thing that this happen, however it does hurt… a lot. The pass few weeks I was still sending him e-mails and I even try to see him a month ago he scream to me over the phone the did not care about me,the he did not love me. I just can’t believe after all the good that I did for him. He treat me this way. But I am the bigger person. I do feel a little better now it is been 2 months since he broke up with me. I am trying to do everything in my power to move on and following your advices. I know that I deserve Better!! Thanks again for the wonderful advice. I hope some day I wont care it all about him or waht he think about me.. Working on it. Thanks!!
I have just come out of a 3 year relationship with someone who I met early on during my time at university. I think we both knew for a while that is was over but I was the one who finally said it. The moment I said it I knew that I had done the right thing but I feel terrible for upsetting him so much. The first few days and weeks were exactly as this website says, I think I was in shock and my brain literally wouldnt let me think about it. I spent alot of time with friends and family who have been great. Now, almost a month after the break up, I think I am finally really feeling it. Seeing pictures of him with friends on the internet hurts alot, even though I want him to go off and enjoy life. I also feel bad for enjoying myself so soon after and feel like I’m punishing myself for that, and how must he be feeling seeing me enjoying myself so soon after? How is it possible just to forget someone who you were so close to and who never really did anything wrong. We just weren’t ment to be. We dont hate each other, we were best friends. I know I’ve done the right thing but I just miss him so much.
I definately think your website is helping though. Its explaining that these feelings I’m having are normal. These feeling of grief and loss arent because I still love him, Its just the healing process. In a bizzare way it also helps to know there are so many people out there who feel the same, and they get through it. So thank you.
its been about 2 months since my ex gf and i broke up. We were together for 2 years and “I” being basically the guy in dani’s story above is lost. I read everything up top that you had to say, but still i feel like i AM in love with her still. I actually feel like im in love with her for the first time. I can picture the time in our relationship where she was deeply in love with me, and quite frankly, i missed it. I understand her feelings and maybe went just werent meant to be, but how long will it take for what feels like love to go away. All ive prayed for was one night with her in love with me again, one chance to make her feel like she’s the most important thing in the world. You hear stories about couples getting back together and i know thats not a good topic on a site meant to help people deal, but i honestly dont mind the hurt if it meant having another chance. I’m not being needy to her, she knows how i feel, and she initiates talking sometimes. We both are fairly young and she has never really had freedom at this stage in her life. I dont understand why i couldnt HOPE for a chance again, but even if i dont anymore my heart isnt going to let me forget.. ive cried, ive stop looking at everything to do with her, we stopped talking for a while, ive done everything healthy i could and she’s all i dream and think about still. The MAIN thing is, i know i’ll be fine eventually, but honestly wouldnt mind waiting even if it wasnt fair to me, even if a time comes where she has clearly moved on, i would choose the pain over forgeting
I think im in a process of breaking up with my boy friend. I just happened to go through the above text. It really gave me a LOT OF strength. Im feeling much more stronger now. Thnks a lot :)
My ex left me 3 weeks ago without an explination of why. We were engaged for 1 and 1/2 years dating for 2 and 1/2. I suspect from emails that he was cheating, but only for 2 weeks. He told his parents so many lies such as I abused him and that I used drugs and alcohol I don’t know why he is doing this. I really enjoyed the advice, but my ex-fiance fraudulantly stole $10.000.00 out of my personal bank account I am not a revengeful person, but I also need to protect myself the police are involved, but he doesn’t know yet and I am scared that he will get angry. I am seeing a counseler, but I don’t know if I should go through with the charges? Some how I still have hope that we can work things out, but I don’t want the charges to affect what might be. Please give me some much needed advice. Amy
Amy, why do you hope things will work out with someone who stole $10,000.00 from you?
Amy, take care of yourself. He’s a thief, a liar and a cheat. If he gets angry because someone says, “Oh no, you can’t do that.” then so be it. Don’t let a possible reconciliation stand in your way. Ask yourself why you want to reconcile with someone who is so reprehensible.
Are you afraid of his anger? If you do press charges, tell the police that. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE take care of yourself.
I don’t have to live with the aftermath of pressing charges, you do…so only you can make this decision. But make sure you make it for the right reason. Make sure you understand that this person is a lowlife and you are so much better off without him.
Take care of Amy. Think this through. You deserve so much more. No deserves to be cheated on, lied to, broken up with with no explanation and then stolen from. NO ONE. And anyone who does that to someone else is a lowlife loser.
You can do better. Trust me. You could swing a cat and find someone who has more moral character (just about anyone).
Bury it, find someone good in your life and be good to you.
Great advice, good to remind myself of it every now and then! Thanks for the blog, really helpful stuff.
Uhh! It just suck sometimes. Two girls I know just announced their engagements. Though I try to feel happy for them, I can’t help but to secretly feel like a failure inside. I mean, I loved my ex boyfriend. I was faithful. I was good to him. I was willing to commit to making the relationship work. I thought we had something special. I would have done what it took. So what the heck did I do to deserve getting dumped for someone else rather than get an engagement ring? It just sucks. How come I’m so easily discarded? How come some other girl gets to have the guy I loved and built a relationship with? What if he’s treating HER like a queen? Just not me? It feels like everyone else has found their special someone but me. I’ve found someone I loved twice in my life and still I have to start all over again when I didn’t want to either time. I tried so hard to make both of those relationships work. It’s so frustrating! Blech! I just don’t understand sometimes. Just venting…
Lisa Anne
Lisa Anne, You are not a failure because of this one event in your life. I have taught myself that recently with my breakup, at first I was feeling the same as you. After thinking about it I decided it is just a failure at this one relationship in my life, that does NOT make either of us a failure. I am sure on a lot of other levels you are a great person and have many attributes. Yes, if you are like me this was a MOST important portion of your life. But I hae decided I was being too hard on myself and letting that one incident define my entire being. AFter thinking of it more, I decided my breakup was just one facet of me, not the whole me. I lived with my ex for 10 years, so this has been very hard, but they are no longer the center of my universe. And, I am rediscovering the real me that has been hidden all this time. Something really great may be around the corner, dont miss it girl.
Thanks R. I hope great things are around the corner for the both of us.
Lisa Anne.
I just came across this website today. My boyfriend of 14 months broke up with me last month right before Thanksgiving… over the phone. The last time I saw him all was fine. Two weeks before he broke up with me was my birthday. He cooked me a wonderful dinner and had candles and roses on the table. After dinner I opened my gifts and he said “I didn’t know what to get you.” Well I was feeling confident and happy so in a happy voice I said “I know what you can get me, an engagement ring. I love you and want to spend the rest of my life with you. We can get married in your parents’ backyard and honeymoon in Hilton Head.” It all came flying out of my mouth. We hadn’t even said “I love you” to each other. I opened my mouth and it came flying out without thinking. He said “I love you too, but I have never been engaged.” Well neither had I and I thought that was an odd response. Just to let you know I am 43 and he is 41 and neither of us have been married or even engaged. Everything seemed fine and he flew out the next day to a corporate meeting. After he returned I noticed the change. He was distant and busy with his parents. He is an only child of parents who divorced when he was 2. His mother has been married to a wonderful man for 10 years who he calls his “dad.” Well anyway the last weekend we were together he started on me about things I needed to do and that he didn’t want to act like my father or boss. Things like looking for another job (I had been doing and still am), getting a parttime job (done), and then little stuff like my withholding on my paycheck, donate to Goodwill for tax reasons… stuff like that. Well the Sunday before Thanksgiving was the last time I saw him. He got in a discussion with me over the phone about how I needed to get my brother’s help. Well I talked to my brother and went down to him house for Thanksgiving. The next Sunday we talked on the phone for 2 hours and he said he did not want to be in a relationship, he couldn’t deal with the fact I handle things differently than him… what, looking for a new job?? Anyway he said he wanted to work on some things alone and not date anyone and “Maybe I shouldn’t be in long term relationships.” What?? After 14 months of the most perfect relationship I have ever experienced… we went on numerous trips, some with his parents, we campted, hiked, everything we shared we both had a wonderful time! I don’t get it!! That week I emailed him that I needed my photos off of his computer because he had been downloading all my photos on his computer. He said he would bring them over Thursday eveing. At the last minute I emailed him and asked him to bring the discs and all my belongings at his home and leave them in my garage. I didn’t hear back so I left him a voice message and started crying during my voice message. I said it would be too painful to see each other. He emailed me back a very cold message that he would leave everything in the garage and didn’t mention anything about feelings or me, just matter of fact that he would leave my things in my garage. I sent him back a very emotional email about how I miss him and love him and how hurt I am. No reply. That email was the last contact I received from him on December 6th – it is Christmas Eve! I just don’t understand how one minute we were great and the next minute over. I could definately feel the tension after I proclaimed my love for him. Should I have held back and not told him?? He became my best friend as well as the love of my life… I thought FINALLY at 43 I had the man I would marry and we would be together forever. How do I move on from this??
A classic case of commitment-phobe, that’s what he is. You really are much better off without him Marie, and to inspire you, you will move on and get over him, I assure you! I was also dumped 5 months ago but I am in a much better place than I was. Believe me, it will get easier as time goes by.
For now, please stick to NO CONTACT so your healing can start. This site has a tremendous amount of gems to help you achieve this. Make GPYP your daily routine from now on.
Simone,
You are right NO CONTACT. In fact, I have no desire to even speak to him at this point. After being such a support to me and being so loving and caring and to do this, he is not the person I thought he was. The last email he sent was the day before my mother’s birthday and 11 days prior to the 2nd anniversary of her death. Knowing how upsetting this time of year is to me he ended the relationship like turning off a light. One day on and fine, next day turned off cold and over. I do not want to talk to someone who would treat anyone with that way. I feel like I have been discarded out the window on the side of the road like trash. My use to him ran out and when I mentioned commitment forever, out the window I went! No, I have no plans to ever contact him. I am seeing a great therapist and this time is all about me and moving my life forward. I am in a lot of pain over the rejection and the fact it came out of nowhere, but it has been a month since I have spoken to him and it is getting easier. It is just so hard this time of year. Last year we had a fantasic Christmas, one of the best Christmases I have had in my life and it was one year after buring my mother. She died Dec. 17, 2005 and we buried her on Dec. 23rd – two days before Christmas. 9 months after my mother’s death I met my boyfriend and it seemed perfect from day one. We did everything together and spoke on the phone everyday and if we were both in town we were always together. we are both in sales and travel so there were a couple days some weeks we did not see each other. We had just spent a week in Hilton Head, then my birhtday, then the end. I didn’t see it coming. It was like a blow out of nowhere. But now as the fog is slowly starting to clear in my mind I see the controling things he started doing to push me away. The hints of his intentions NOT to ever marry me. I just feel as though my time is running out to ever marry and that is something i have always wanted. Not to just anyone, believe me I am picky, but the right guy and that is what I thought I found. Plus, I didn’t only lose him but also his parents who treated me as a part of their family. They were so wonderful to me. This is his decision and I know in a month or two things will be much better. Things will be much better as soon as it is January 2, 2008 — get through Christmas and New Years! Thanks for the post, it feels good to get feedback on my situation. I have never shared my experiences with the world like this before.
Merry Christmas!
Well, i had a 2 year relation with the most gorgeous girl in the world.A month ago she moved to another country to work.After two weeks, no ‘i miss you’ no ‘i love you’ no mails no pictures,just 5 word offlines on IM.She became very distant.After much questioning i found that she was living with another man in the same apartment, sharing the same bed. I mean 2 years don’t mean anything? Well, this was my Christmas present. .I dont know what i’m going to do.All my future was with her.Now there’s no future.
I can’t sleep i can’t eat i can’t go to work. Everything is just gone,i’ve got nothing now.She was everything to me.What am i going to do now?????????
Gorgeous is as gorgeous does. She doesn’t sound gorgeous to me.
What you do is go through the grief, work on your own life so you don’t make anyone your everything again, and get back on your feet. Not eating and not sleeping is normal but should soon pass (if it doesn’t, seek professional help),
She may have done you a favor by showing you the true her. Work on you, get healthy and attract healthy people. You CAN do this!!! Be good to Sebi.
Peace,
Susan
I met him on Skype almost 8 months ago, we started talking everyday using our webcams and suddendly we fell in love. He is from Canada and I am from Venezuela. After 4 months talking everyday, I decided to travel there. We met on august, we made a tour visiting different cities and everything was perfect. He even proposed on our 4 anniversary. I had to get back because summer was over, but everything was perfect. He started his master on september and I went back to university. We had plans to see each other again during xmas. The plan included me going there and after that he could come here with me to meet my parents. Anyway, everything was completly normal until 7 weeks ago, when we were talking about getting our tickets and then we started to fight because he told me that it was a better idea if he came during his spring brake insted of xmas, so I told him that his parents didn’t want him to come here (because we always had problems with that) so he got mad and quit the conversation wituout even saying goodbye and stopped talking to me since that day. After that, he hasn’t talked to me. He only sent me one email a week later saying that he was tired of us and that he moved out of his house and quit his job. I kept calling him, but he never answer his phone. I called his dad and he told him to talk to me (because I realdy had my ticket booked for this december), he sent me another email telling me that he was tired of us, and that he was sorry. I still don’t understand why he did that, he told me that he didn’t even know why he doesn’t feel like he always felt with me anymore. He is 23 and I am 22, I am finishing med school and my plan was to move there with him once I was done with classes. He is an engineer and just started his master this year. We were so in love, we were engaged, he was so perfect and then he changed into this weird person. I feel so bad, I am so depress and can’t get over him. Please, I need some adviced.
Mariana: You CAN get over him. It takes a while, but it’s possible. Some people don’t get weird until after you marry them, so you have dodged a bullet here. You can see that this weird person is who he is. It’s easy to fantasize and pretend to be someone you are not in the beginning of the relationship, but when the “long haul” begins is when people’s true colors start to show.
He showed you who he is. Someone who is fickle and not dependable and overly influenced by his parents. Do you want someone like that? No you do not.
You are on the cusp of a brilliant career and a wonderful life. It is going to be FABULOUS and you are probably lucky you did not allow this guy to hitch his wagon to your star.
You can get over this. Be good to you and know that he is the one who lost out. Eventually you will find someone who appreciates you and is worthy to share your life. He’s not it.
Be good to you.
Peace,
Susan
s0000 this is my love dilema… im in my ealry 20’s and have recently ended a relationship with a guy who i was with for 4 yrs off and on. we now have been broken up for 2 months. usually we brake up for 2 weeks and were back on but not this time. and well in the the last two months he has pretty much made it impossible for me to forget him. he broke up with me claiming he needed time to be alone and thought it was our time to end things, because things never ever really worked out between us. i of course was completley devasted. well to make a long story kinda short, he first started contacting me 3 weeks after the break up by texting me with stupid excuses to see me. i finally gave in and decided to see him, which lead to a night that shouldnt of happend. he then told me to just relax and he’d call me and we would sort everything out. however about 4 days later i see him hanging out with another girl who was freinds with one of our mutual friends. i felt even more terrible. soon after he started to call me for about a week straight, but i would not answer, so finally when i felt ready to comfront him about it, he pretty much said that he was just started to date this girl and it was nothing serious. and he was sorry i had to see that, but it just happened. so he pretty much bull**** me into feeling sorry for him because he started telling me how he wasnt very happy and was going down hill . so once again i end up seeing him out of stupidity i guess you can say. i just missed him and felt that if i saw him he would realize. but after the night was over i just felt worse and relaized that me and him cant really be friends. it’s just way too hard, im not over it, and i realzied that he doesnt deserve to have his cake and eat it too. since then he has tried to call me many times. leaving messages like i dont know why your ignoring me and i just wanna talk. and text messages as well saying im going to your house, be there! and the last time he contacted me was too let me know that he was upset because i didnt call him for his b-day and acutally called me and pretended he didnt know who he was calling and then texted me saying in other words that was mean for not at least saying happy b-day too him. i felt bad and simply just responded by saying ” way to keep it civil” and he simply said i was a fu**** up person. so Now i dont if i should call him or not. i miss him and i still like him, but i dont understand whats going on, and why he keeps calling me if hes dating other girls…someone help what should i do?
My boyfriend left me after seeing each other for 8 month. He is heart-brocken from his previous relationship and can not move on with his life. He left me right after X-mas without any expanations. Just said: nothing is between us anymore, it isn’t you, I’m not happy with my life. He was super sweet the whole time, even when he new that he is going to breack up with me. I did loved him so much, he was everything I looked for in the man. I’m so in pain right now. I do want to call him so bad, ask him for explanation, – what went wrong? or another chance???? But I do not. I try to cut it off as you say in this site. But he called me,….I was crying loud how much I wanted to pick up the phone….but I didn’t. Should I if he calls again? I wish he would changed his mind. So much wish. We never fight, we never disagreed on things, …absolute piecefull and so loving realtionship I ever had.
Naturel: ignore him. He’s not ready to grow up. He made the decision to breakup and should respect your wishes for no contact. Do not allow him to goad you or guilt you into contact. Forget about him. Go your own way and you will find a guy who is more mature than this. You guys were together at a young age and are growing in two different ways. It’s normal for that to happen. For now, take care of you and forget him. Don’t respond to him at all. You’ll do fine! Take care of you.
Amy, if he’s not ready he’s not ready. I would just let it be because contact will hurt you. I watched my middle son go through this just recently. He broke up with his girlfriend who was nice and wonderful and he had a good time with because he wasn’t ready. He got in too soon from his last relationship because his ex girlfriend was in a relationship and he wanted to show her. He met this lovely young woman and then couldn’t quite commit to it. He admits she is lovely and wonderful and I never met her because he said I would love her and then it would be even harder for him to let it go.
Sometimes people are just not ready and no matter how wonderful we are or the relationship is, they can’t get there from where they are. I’m sorry this happened to you. Take care of Amy.
Naturel,
He sounds selfish to me. He broke up with you and has started dating again. You have tried to set boundaries and he is crashing them and judging you for having them so he can get what he wants, which is to have you in the background and offer you crumbs in return. That is not very considerate or respectful of you. You are also not being very respectful of yourself when you take him back for a night knowing that he is not offering you a relationship and is, in fact, dating other(s). You have also participated in a back and forth, push/pull kind of relationship with him in the past if you have broken up for 2 weeks at a time and then gotten back together. You have to decide for yourself if you are willing to wait in the wings or if you are going to go on with your life. You have to get real with yourself about your own role in this drama. It’s not a good relationship if one of you is “sort of” opting out. You can stop the craziness if you stop communicating with him completely for a good period of time (months, probably a good 6 months). I’ve been in a couple of relationships that were like this and it never gets better. When 2 people are good for each other, they don’t play these games.
Be strong and advocate for YOU.
Kathy
TO SUSAN & KATHY:
thnx to both of you for your insight …. it really has helped realize that my ex is immature and never knows what he wants. i was a really good girlfriend and was 100% loyal no matter what and stood behind him through thick and thin and all hes ever done is hurt me. so at this point i realize that were both young and hes not ready to stop playing games….and im ready to live my life without him in the background, i just hope i can stick to my guns. thnx once again!!!
I have to join this group but computer on blitz.i would love to get emails and post any comments.thank God i found this site!
Shannon, glad you are here. Click the purple button on the right to join the Getting Past Your Breakup email group….glad you’ve found us!
Dear Susan,
I can’t see a purple button… could you let me know more specifically where I can find it?
Thanks
I wrote a longer version on another topic site but, I would appreciate any feedback.
Please help.
I have been with my boyfriend for 6+ years. When we started dating in two months, he was already proposing to me – I told him it was too early and we were too young (21). In the fall of 06 we bought a house together with the agreement that we would get married within a year. In the winter of 06 asked me to marry him. He always talked the talk – It is me and you against the world, I want you to be the mother of my kids, I am truly committed to this relationship.In the spring of 06 he asked to set the date. In july 06 he wanted to ‘postpone’ the wedding. I got a new job in summer 06 in which I would have to travel in sept for a month. I come back from my month of business travel and we break up due to him not communicating why he wanted to postpone the wedding – all he said was ‘I don’t know’ – during this time he is talking with co workers on why he couldn’t marry me ( I didnt know this at the time – I wished that he would of spoke to ME) . I find out that he starts to date another girl ( a girl he was talking to about ‘us’) three weeks after our breakup. Unfortunately, being in the same house, we speak and one of our conversations turned into the infamous ‘ why conversation’ – ‘why did you do this now, why date someone so quickly?’ – Now he tells me ‘it feels right’.
How does one deal with the NC policy and their own moving on process when you are under the same roof with an ex who is clearly thinking of himself and moved on?
PS Two months later, he is already writing letters telling her that he sees her as his wife and the mother of his kids and how he wanted to be with her because didnt want a single life because that means he would be ’single’.
He is basically doing exactly what he did to me 6+ years ago. There is something really wrong with him.
I wrote a week ago about my problem and I really apreciate Susan’s answer. It really helped me. But I am getting more confuse now, because this guy has been sending me mails (he won’t talk to me, or answer the phone at all) saying that he was sorry but this wasn’t worth it and we were not meant to be at all, because according to him I was mean the day we argued and he can’t believe that I could talk like that to somebody I love so much, so he left. Today, he wrote me saying that I have nothing be sorry about, that I shouldn’t apologize and it wasnt my fault, and also that he thinks of me everyday and won’t ever forget me, but he was sorry that his feeligns were like this. I didn’t understan what he wanted to say with that. I’m so confuse now, I don’t know if he is trying to be look like the good guy now but he is saying at the same time “you were nice to me, you make me feel special, I won’t forget you but I don’t feel anything for you anymore”. It’s really making me feel even more confused. I hope you can help me with this one. Thank you so much :(
Mariana,
It sounds like he is processing the breakup out loud to you. He should keep it to himself. His confusion doesn’t mean there is hope for you two to get back together, although it would be very easy to over-analyze it and insert “hope” in there. Don’t be tempted. Insist that he do his grief work on his own, not at your expense. Be strong and be good to yourself. Set clear boundaries with him (go NC), unless you want to help him through his feelings of guilt and loss until he’s ready to let go completely. But do really want to do that? Doing that will leave little room for you to take care of yourself and begin your own healing. Focus on YOU, not on listening to his confusion or processing the breakup with him. He shouldn’t be leaning on you for that support. It’s not fair to you. He ended the relationship and he is not doing anything to reverse that decision. He doesn’t get to lean on you for emotional support anymore. Take care of YOU, not him. Don’t look to him for answers, clarity, closure or to feel better. Go to your family, friends, and other healthy people and activities for comfort and strength. You are going to feel better some day. That day will come sooner if you cut him off now.
Kathy is right. He’s guilty and trying to process it out through you. Don’t take what you are not responsible for. Tell him to shut up and go away!
Thanks to Kathy and Jannadol. I know you are right. I should take care about me and stop getting confuse about how he feels, but how am I supposed to do that if he keeps sending me emails (still not talking to him) saying that he thinks about me everyday, he misses me so much, that it’s been hard for him as well, he said that he knows I must hate him, but he knows I am not the one for him. What does it mean? It doesn’t make sense at all, how can he think about me, miss me but not love me. I think he feels guilty about what he did, he is trying to apologized but his proud won’t let him talk to me. The confusion it’s getting bigger in my head right now. I really need somebody who gives me their opinion. Thanks :(
Dismiss all of it. Don’t let it confuse you. He’s trying to work through his guilt. He doesn’t care about you, only about himself. Block his email. There is nothing to be confused about. He’s selfish and you’re taking the rap for that. Don’t listen to anything he says…he’s trying to explain it to you so you approve of his behavior and then he can go on, guilt-free.
Ignore him. Block his email.
Hi Susan–can you email me at:
campbell5005@hotmail.com
Thanks
Today has been a really hard day for me. Feels like a major relapse. It’s been a little over 3 months since we broke up, and I am missing him a lot. I’ll have a really good week and then a horrible day, which lets me know that I shouldn’t act on it, but it still really hurts when it hits. I’ve done everything I should be doing–therapy, hanging with friends, moved to a new place, took a trip, pampered myself, etc–but I still can’t fully shake him from my head. I know it’s only been a few months compared to half a decade we spent together, but days like this are just awful. I did a fair bit of crying, journaling, and then peeking at his MySpace page and forum posts, despite knowing that I shouldn’t. There’s no point because anything he says or does is unsatisfying. If he seems sad, then it makes me think neither of us is better off not being in touch. If he seems happy, it makes me sad because then it seems like he is moving on and is fine without me, whereas I don’t feel the same on days like today. It’s lose-lose.
I know he is not the right guy for me and vice versa, but I miss him so much. I just wish there was some way we could be friends. It just doesn’t seem possible. I’ve held firm with the NC rule (though I broke a few others, such as fooling around with another guy, which brought me no real satisfaction) but sometimes it’s just so tempting to break.
I won’t, but believe me, I want to.
MovingOn; Oh I know! It hurts and it’s hard and we want it to be OVER before it’s over!!!
Your resolve is so good and you’re so strong. You can do this.
We all have bad days and you will get through them. I’ve been where you are, just WISHING for it to go away or for the ending tohave been better/different/more…
AND IT SUCKS!!!!
But DON’T GIVE UP THE DAY BEFORE THE MIRACLE HAPPENS! And it will happen.
Trust the process.
peace,
Susan
Thanks, Susan. It does give me hope that you have come such a long way in your life and have found the guy who is right for you. I find your blog very inspiring and that is why I keep coming back, even on days/weeks when I am feeling fine. It keeps me grounded and keeps my head clear.
I am in pain today, and that is to be expected from time to time. There is no fast-forward button for grief, though that would be a hot commodity if it were ever invented.
I believe that a lot of what I am dealing with in my breakup is leftover feelings of abandonment/rejection from my growing-up years. I also believe I was drawn to someone unstable because it is what I am used to in my life. This is obviously a very bad pattern and I want to break it while I am still young.
The thing about unresolved loss and abandonment is that unless we deal with it, it rears its ugly head when we’ve had a loss. That is why I beat the drum of “resolve your loss, work through the grief process.”
Un resolved loss does NOT go away. It stays inside and festers. Then when we have a loss, it comes rushing to the surface saying, “LOOK AT ME!” because we are in a weakened state and can’t use our normal defenses to keep it at bay.
You’re doing good work and you are getting stronger even if it’s tough to realize on down days. Be good to you. ALWAYS!!!
That’s the thing…I thought I HAD dealt with it. I was in therapy, years passed where I did the work and tried to make sense of what happened, I decided to forgive my dad (for myself) and now we talk cordially every now and again. I think I got as much resolution on that situation as I possibly could at this point.
But then this guy comes along that is incapable of ever giving me what I need, and I cling to him like a lifeboat. It’s just all so confusing. I’m starting to think that if it’s not somehow crazy with men that I associate that with not being real love. It can’t be a coincidence that I’ve never once had strong emotional feelings for a stable, together man.
Sigh.
Hmmmmmmmmmm. Have you read Women Who Love Too Much? It also sounds like you are trying to win over unfinished business. A good book is Dance of Intimacy by Harriet Lerner.
I do commend you on thinking about these things. These are all issues I have had so I will say, unequivocably, it is possible to get beyond all of it. You’re doing a lot of work here. Be good to you.
Thanks Susan! I will check out those books you recommended. I am happy to hear you had similar problems and overcame them.
Have you read “How To Break Your Addiction To A Person” by Howard Halpern?
No because I’ve been person-addicted free since the mid-90s and it was published a couple of years ago (I think). :) But if you have read it and think it’s a good read, I will check it out to recommend to others! I am always interested in broadening my reference material to recommend to others.
Thanks for the reference.
MovingOn:
Don’t despair. I thought I had dealt with it, too. I said those exact words many times last spring! This could be the time in your life where your understanding (of your relationship pattern) “gels” and you turn a definitive corner. I, too, did therapy (individual and group at different times in my life) long before I ever met my last ex-BF, yet that breakup really knocked the wind out of me more than others. When I found myself back in therapy, yet again, after the last breakup, I was feeling defeated and STUPID, not to mention a little doomed. But the work I had done before to deal with loss and so many other issues was not in vain–I did learn a lot from past work on myself and it made me a quick learner this time around. With a great therapist and GPYP, I was able to understand more things about my past and finish some business (self work) that I had started years ago. I’m not stupid or doomed, there was just a lot of pain that I didn’t have the tools to work through quickly in previous attempts. It was a long process of gradual change marked by some great epiphanies and moments of significant change, especially this past year. I consider myself a constant work in progress, but 2007 did bring about a complete paradigm shift for me. I had to dig really deep to face some childhood hurt that I just hadn’t been ready to fully take on before. Now I’m looking at the world through a much different lens. Old and new tools (from old and recent therapy and self-work) alike help me stay on this road. A lot of things that really stirred up my life before don’t even come up anymore. Other issues are fading more slowly, but fading.
When I reflect upon my romantic relationships, friendships and work relationships over the years, I can see how they mirrored the degree to which old pain and loss were in charge of me and running my life. My relationships today tell a different story about me–they mirror a person much more healed and much more in charge of herself.
I think when Susan says “Don’t give up the day before the miracle happens”, she is referring to this kind of change; to the time in your life when all the hard work starts to pay off in pretty tangible ways. I think this kind of incredible change is happening in subtle ways when we are working at it (even with occasional breaks from therapy) and over time…and this is why it’s a process that we need to believe in and not give up on.
Trust that this is not going to suck forever. You are on the right path.
Hi Kathy,
I love reading your posts.
With your most recent post, what were some of your moments of significant changes – letting you know that you were moving in a positive way towards healing? I am like a sponge and would love to acquire as much information to help myself continue with the healing process.
You sound like you are so where I would like to be (but, I understand I must go through each step). You give me hope and a vision of the better days that will come.
Kathy,
Thank you for the encouraging words. It can get tiring to do the work and then realize you haven’t come as far along as you may have hoped. Like you said, we’re all just works in progress. It means a lot that you were in a similar boat earlier this year and then felt the change occur. I hope that happens for me as well.
For me, I got all my ducks in a row in most regards outside of my boyfriend. I used to be friends with wreckless, wild girls, whose spark I would find infectious, and inevitably our friendships would crash and burn. I have since made much better friends, of the more mature variety. I have a stable job that I have worked hard to succeed at. I now live on my own and that is going well.
But it’s like somehow I learned to distance myself from dysfunctional friends and family members (some of which I stopped talking to entirely), but it didn’t translate into the person who I loved, lived with and spent most of my free time with. I am hoping that he will be the final instance of “destructive lost soul” I let closely into my life. Only time will tell.
WorkingOnIt:
Thank you. I know what you mean about being a sponge and looking forward to the future with hope–I want to be where Susan is and have my s*** THAT together; she motivates me and her experiences validate my process.
I can’t believe some days how much energy I have invested in healing ME over the last 10 months. It’s like the past 10 years worth of (conscious) effort concentrated in 10 months time. But as I keep saying, the payoffs are huge.
You ask a great question. Some of the concrete markers include:
*people close to me began commenting on how calm and content I am. I’m pretty sure they enjoy being around me a lot more like this :)
*I began to notice that I was interacting differently with people in settings that used to cause me a lot of grief and anxiety. I now leave most interactions feeling good, instead of anxious or regretful of how I handled things. The best way to describe this is that I go into most interactions feeling SELF-CONTAINED. Owning my own stuff has made it easier to more objectively see that everyone else has their own stuff, too, and it’s NOT all about me, so no need to react so much or own their crap as if it were my fault. So my boundaries are better (”You begin and end somewhere, and I begin and end somewhere”).
*My friendships changed or ended. Example: I had a friend of about 10 years with whom I was pretty codependent but didn’t realize it. This summer, we met up on a trip and she drank more than I had ever seen her drink. 12 beers a day, and shaking and cranky when she was sober. Granted, I never lived with her before and didn’t socialize with her too often where alcohol was served, so couldn’t have known the extent of her problem, but in hindsight, pretty much everything about the friendship was screaming “codependency!” Well, when we were together this summer she was still pulling her old moves, moves that before would have made me weak (she ran out of money on the trip and made several subtle comments about this that were attempts to get money from me). This time, I didn’t rescue her from a situation she put herself in and I didn’t feel bad about it. I felt bad for her in a general sense, but I didn’t feel RESPONSIBLE for her problem. She makes the same salary I do and has no children, mortgage or car payment. Why would I, with 2 teenagers, 2 cars, and a house to pay for, give her money b/c she budgeted poorly? I do not have extra money to give to anyone in my life at this stage, much less to someone so unaccountable and who is clearly a user. I not only didn’t save her, I went on to travel for a few days on my own and enjoyed the heck out of it. I had budgeted for that extra traveling (it was not something she cared about doing). The end of my trip could have been all about her interests and taking care of her by foregoing the extra traveling and giving her beer money. I made a better choice and in the past I would not have had the strength or the wisdom to make that choice. I couldn’t say no to people without feeling angry or guilty. And sometimes I just plain offered to help/rescue without even being asked.
That “friend” no longer speaks to me. It’s the second long-term friendship that has ended for me in the last few years. The friends that are still in my life applaud the changes I’ve made and enjoy me MORE. One of these encouraging friends has been a close friend for 30 years. The friends who are not still in my life were threatened by the changes and forced me to choose between changing back or saying goodbye. I said goodbye to one and the other said goodbye (through silence) to me. So be it.
*I found myself, and still do, telling my story differently. What I mean is that I don’t feel like a victim anymore so I don’t tend to talk about myself and my life events from a victim’s perspective, anymore. This means I take compliments better–I actually take them in. I let myself feel them. This one is still hard sometimes, but much better.
*Where the breakup was concerned, I just gradually stopped thinking about “him”. My thoughts shifted from what HIS problems were to my own issues. Anger toward him subsided with that shift. Also the desire to see what he was doing (by visiting his myspace page)–that subsided as I focused more on me and started to feel better b/c of the things I was learning about ME, not him.
*Also in direct relation to the breakup and recovery from that breakup hell, my sleep eventually returned to normal.
*I could see my progress when I read what I had written/journaled weeks, then months, before and I no longer felt the same way or with the same intensity. I also eventually stopped writing poetry about the breakup b/c it no longer felt like a need. (That had been a comforting thing for me to do for a couple of months). So writing became a marker for progress and growth.
If I think of more, I’ll let you know. Hope this helps!
MovingOn:
I used to be friends with rather wreckless girls, too. For awhile, I was one as well. (Long time ago) If you’ve gotten those friendships out of your system, that seems like a big, important change to me. I think a change in your romantic relationship choices can follow, maybe it’s just been slower coming. There’s something in these choices for us, don’t you think? The drama and lack of real intimacy with people who are “wild” or unavailable in some other way…I’m not sure I would call myself a love or drama addict because I was aware that both drained me and I would take healthy breaks from them (sometimes long ones). What I do know is that the drama felt bad but FAMILIAR because it defined my parents’ relationship. I didn’t know any other way. Figuring out where it all started and getting down and dirty with the pain of all of that family of origin stuff was, for me, the key to changing what is familiar (what is now becoming my new familiar).
My college sweetheart of 4 years just broke up with me. We moved to NYC for his dreams and when he came back from Christmas at home he said that it wasn’t what he wanted and it was the best for both of us to end it now. I had no idea that it was coming. Now I am stuck here by myself because I’m not from here and he left me.
Right now I am dealing with abandonment, fear, loss, anger, and confusion. I want nothing more than to call him but I won’t. I don’t want to contact him for fear I might say something I can’t take back in case in a few months we could get back together. But I think deep down that won’t happen, so I am so confused. I have to go from thinking in a couple mentality to single mentality in a couple of days. He was my best friend, and I feel like not even enough time has passed to process that real pain. It is still so raw. I thought we were happy, I think we were but he didn’t want us.
So many tears, so much pain. I think I’m really sad over the loss of my future. I thought we were going to get married.
I am going to try some of the techniques. I do recommend one for anybody. When you think of that person, replace their name with I or me. Don’t worry about how they are feeling, replace it with how you are feeling. It is a cognitive behavioral change and I like it because it is something I can control, unlike the flow of emotions. It keeps me centered on my recovery and not on his.
My fiance and i just broke up after 6.5 years after meeting when we were 18. We had blow up fights two years into the relationship, we were so young it didnt seem like a big deal. But I remember the first huge fight we ever had we were in my dorm room and I was embarrassed because he was yelling. Anyway, besides that one fight we had great moments together, loving moments we really were truly in love. Then I moved to Boston, he moved to CT to start a company. Thats when he became work obsessed because he had to. He grew his company to employing 30 people in 2 years. We had a long distance relationship for 3 years. It kinda worked because I was hard at work at school and he at work and it was hard but we’d see eachother almost every weekend. Then I finished school and moved in with him to CT. We lived in a small apartment and I began to feel trapped, I couldnt get a job right away and when I did it sucked big time. I was very stressed and my dreams started to go away about what I was going to do with my life. Here is where we had drunkin fights, I would be pissed he was always tired and didnt want to listen to me at night time so I would poke him to stay awake until he would grab me and stuff and then I would be happy in a way because he would pay attention to me. But the fights got so bad I embarrassed to see the neighbors. WE would yell break stuff, it was horrible. Then we came to a realization that we were both abusive and started to want to change. And we really did for a while. THen he helped me begin my photography business and then we moved to a lovely town in MA and it was picture perfect for about 4 months. THen we had a fights that were horrible after 5 months of living there always after drinking. I became horribly critical because he was always stressed and working. ANd then he would go on trips every week so he was hardly at home and I was struggling to start a business by myself pretty much, in mostly isolation. I was beimg horrible to him a lot of the time, bitchy and irritated. But then we would still have our moments of sweetness too. Anyway, the final blow up occurred after I was really drunk and I went up to bother him sleeping and I started the fight and scratched him really bad on the face….i feel sick and ashamed about that and he slapped me in the end. I finally left the house at 3am and got on the phone with my brother. But he was calm when I got back and the next morning he basically told me to get out. I was going to leave anyway, but it hurt to see my bag already half packed and he was sobbing (which he never does). ANyway i called him to apologize for my actions and he said was so critical that I must not have loved him. That wasnt true. I loved him more than anything, more than the world. I just was stressed out and I was becoming this domesticated person who had no career future, even though my business was going really well, most days like I said were in isolation, so i always felt wronged in some way. ANyway I always thought of myself as this sweet loving person, but I cant anymore. I drove him away and blamed him for everything that was not happening to me. Now he hasnt called me in two days and not once since the incident. I am confused about whether to forget him or hope that there is a chance he might forgive me. But our personalities do clash, we are so similarly ambitious and nervous I am not sure it can ever work. So now I need to heal and I am seeing therapist next week about anger management and also to help me get over this. I feel for anyone who is breaking up. I just hope that we all find a way to heal and to do something good for this world once we are out of it. Thats what I hope to do, to take all this and find my true happiness….
is it normal to be scared that my ex is going to forget about me….often I find myself re-hashing our relationship in my mind, over and over and over again. The I get so paranoid that he will forget about me and us…..and I get the urge to remind him. Although I have been far more controlled with the contacting thing….I still worry all the time that I am being forgotten with the more time that passes…..
Did someone else in your life make you feel forgotten? Did someone in your past forget you?
Once when I was in kindergarten, my mom didn’t show up to pick me up after school. She was so late getting there, that is, that I started walking–and walked all the way (a few miles, and I was 5).
This is a memory that, once I revisited it, helped me get to one of the sources of my anxiety about
being forgotten. I had to process that to learn how to be less anxious about abandonment (or perceived abandonment) in the present. Lottie, I don’t think people forget us. Especially not exes.
But I think your fear of being forgotten is something to look at. Journal through this fear to help you get to other sources.
My boyfriend of a year and a half broke up with me about four months ago and i have not gotten over him at all. we started dating when i was three months pregnant with someone else’s baby. He treated my son like he was his own and he was a great daddy. The last few months of our relationship we fought everyday. We moved in together because an apartment became available that was the cheapest in town and my mom told me i had to go. we only lived there two weeks. a few days before we moved in he rekindled a relationship with a friend that he used to be attached at the hip to and this guy didn’t want him to be with me. his friend was a bad influence and during those two weeks if my boyfriend came home at all he came home drunk. finally he got his friend a job with him the very next day he came home drunk, told me off, and broke up with me because i said his friend couldn’t come over. to make matters worse three days later he purposfully went to my landlord and told her stuff that wasn’t true to get me evicted from my apartment that he paid nothing for by the way. i was devestated. its also when i realized that were really broken up for good this time and i was shocked that he would do something like that to me. he immediately got a place with his buddy and a new girlfriend and started becoming best friends with my brother who is two years older than me and has hated me for as long as i can remember i don’t know or try to know why its something deeply rooted. so now im still living at my moms house who is mentally unstable. i have a one year old, a lot of my friends have moved away, and i don’t have very much help. my ex contacts me every week or two. I usually don’t answer, but if i’m in an upbeat mood i think why not and sometimes i slip up and drunk dial him. if we end up hanging out we always have a great time. the next day he acts completely uninterested in me like dr. jackel and mr. hyde. he doesn’t even call me back the next day. he doesn’t have a girlfriend anymore, nor does he live with that guy but he does still hangs out with my brother. i know i shouldn’t contact him but one slip is all it takes and im back to square one. im so lonely that i can’t help it sometimes. i still miss him, i still dream about him, i can’t be around other couples. i know im very depressed because when i get depressed i lose weight and im wasting away. im 5′9″ and 115 pounds im not anorexic i’ve always been real skinny but when i’m depressed about something i drop ten pounds and ten pounds is a lot for a skinny person to drop. i just want my ex to either love me again or just tell me he hates me and stop playing games with my head. i can’t pull myself out of the depression for the life of me i have a one year old and i live with my mother who is verbally abusive. i feel so alone and scared. i started having random panic attacks as well when right after this guy broke up with me. i really don’t know if ill ever be able to stop contacting this guy to get over him i see a psychiatrist but not a counselor. i have so much anxiety about doing that period the psychiatrist is hard enough for me. getting out of my pajamas is hard enough. i go to college and when i go to class i don’t even get dressed for it anymore. i go in whatever i woke up in. i had this problem before with an ex it took me more than four times longer than we dated to get over them and it was only because they moved to another state. i don’t know what to do i just wish he would just go away. i know i probably sound like i think everyones just out to get me, but you’d be surprised. the only people i talk to on a daily basis are my family and every single person has some kind of psychiatric disorder or addiction.
this post is just sooooooo…great! I really need to know what must I do after get tired of being pinpointed and blamed from the past break up..I have finally found the truth that I am seeking for a long time. Thanks!
This post really helped me. Thanks.
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Hello all!
First I would like to say that this site is incredible. I suffered from my most recent breakup for almost a year until I saw this site. It has been less than a week and I feel great. I’m sleeping and eating and feel like I have a bright future. There may be more bad days ahead, but now I know that my feelings won’t kill me and the world will not end if Ijust EXPERIENCE THEM AND LET IT HAPPEN!!
My story:
I worked with a girl that all the other men were drooling over and she wanted me. This was nothing new to me as I had always had girlfriends that were considered very attractive to me and others. I wouldn’t have it any other way. The best thing (I thought) was that they would come to me. I never considered dating her until I was leaving the contract (I’m a consultant, she was also but became an employee at the same time my contract ended). We dated for about a year and then it ended. I was crushed. I had lost a friend, a lover and a confidant. She had never used me for money or anything else. She constantly offered to pay her own way and I respect that in a lady, although I feel that the man should pay for dates.
She said she wanted to move and that we couldn’t be married although she routinely asked if I would join her when she found someplace that she liked. Mixed signals, just what I needed.
I decided not to call her but I would take her calls. I was very non-comittal when we talked after that. I would listen and encourage her dreams but never involve myself with them. I thought I was giving her the space she needed and I didn’t want to interfere with her plans. After a couple of months, the calls stopped. I decided to ‘deal with it’ and move on. I did this by denying that I was hurt, rejected and crushed. I was doing okay to varying degrees for the next 10 months. I convinced myself that she had left town and I was feeling ‘good’ although angry with women.
Then it happened: I saw her. She had found a new job in a building next door to the one I am curently working in downtown. I was shocked and before I knew it I was calling out her name. I wanted to say hello and see how she was doing. She asked me to lunch and, again, before I knew it I was agreeing to go. We went to lunch and had a good time (I thought). She gave me her number again. Although I never called her, I was completely comfortable with being near her (I thought). I just left it to circumstance. If I ran into her again maybe we could have lunch, but I wasn’t going to call and I knew she probably wouldn’t either. I’m fairly easygoing and feel that it’s best for all to forgive and move on.
Fast forward two weeks and I was feeling crushed, rejected and filled with anger at her. She hadn’t moved. The primary reason for her becoming distant and she hadn’t done it! I became filled with feelings of anxiety and anger. I had been rejected. Probably for some ^&*%#$# that mistreats her.
My past:
The rest of the story is not about her or what she ‘did’ to me. It’s about my past because all of my inordinate pain and suffering at breakups is about my past. In fact every girl that I have ever dated has been about my past. It has never been as much about them as it has been about me. Read that last sentence again because I will bet you 10-1 that if you are suffering more than others seem to, you are probably the same way. I always wondered why my friends were ‘over’ their breakups in a matter of weeks, not months. I was clearly different in that respect. I have never even mourned a death as much as a breakup. You see, when someone dies they aren’t rejecting me. They kinda can’t help it.
My parents were divorced. My mother married the complete negative image of my loving, caring father. She married the biggest #$@%#^@$ I’ve ever known. He was both physically and mentally abusive to me. He called me the same names that the kids on the playgound did: lardass, fatass, ugly etc. At one point I told him that if he ever laid another hand one me or insulted me, I would kill him. And he knew that I meant it. I thought that statement should have come from my mother, not a 7 year old like me. My sister and I were moved to live with our father.
Please don’t misunderstand me, my mother never rejected me outright or had anything but kind, caring words of encouragement. me She was always available, kind, loving and willing to do anything for her children at any time. She simply did not have the mental strength to protect us from, or leave, this man. She denied that anything was wrong, I guess.
Since the time that we were moved to our father’s house, I had steeled myself against the playground insults and my stepfather. I thought.
My stepfather’s mental abuse continued during our visits to their house although it was more subtle. He rarely said anything outwardly cruel, but his ‘chores’ for me became cruel. I was made to do chores while my older sister (older by just over a year) did nothing. I was made to set and clear the table, do the dishes, take out the trash etc. My sister could do whatever she wanted. I was seriously like ‘Cinderella’. I can laugh about it now, but I felt like such a second class person. Less like a family member than a slave. I would go to my room after dinner and hide so I could cry by myself.
In high school I never had a date. I was overweight and had braces. I was ‘kindly’ rejected IF I even dared to ask a girl out. There seemed to be an inordinate amount of hair washing going on with the girls at my school, but who am I to say?
Once I reached college, I began to lose weight. It just happened, I didn’t really try. I was working 30 hours a week and going to school full-time as a student of Mechanical Engineeering. I was up long hours every day and the weight just started to come off.
That’s when I started to get attention from the ladies. I was shocked and woefully unprepared. My previous experiences had ‘taught’ me to be distrustful of women and my lack of self-worth in this area manifested itself as extreme self-confidence. Not that I’m not self-confident, I am; in my work. There are few who can analyze a problem as quickly and completely as I can and I know it. That sounds egotistical, which I’m not. I know it because I hear it regularly. I borrow this confidence in my work and apply it to my interaction with ladies. Confidence in my abilities at work is substituted for my lack of self-worth in that area. To people on the outside, I simply appear confident in all areas.
This problem of mine definitely attracts the WRONG kind of woman. This is amazing but I literally feel it in my stomach as a surge of adrenaline when I know that a woman is near me that will cause nothing but pain. A single look is all that it takes and I know everything that will happen. I could write the script, or at least an outline: 1.) I will attract her, no matter her current situation, 2.) we will date, 3.) I will become emotionally attached 4.) she will tell me that I am the greatest guy she’s ever known 5.) she will leave me for someone who mistreats her. It’s a simple recipe and reliable too!
You see, the women I attract have problems too. Their problems and my problems are perfectly ‘matched’ to create the maximum negative feelings in me. It’s not that I want it that way, it’s just that that’s the way my ‘energy’ is directed. This is going to sound wierd, but I now think that we can will that person into our lives unknowingly. I have determined that this is not necessarily bad. It just may trigger you, both of you, to take a long, deep, honest look at yourselves and why these things happen. Knowledge is power and once you understand something, you can conquer it, no matter what it is. The mind is incredibly powerful.
I have spent so much time, money and energy attempting to cure my past by dating very attractive ladies in order to prove to the world that I am worth something. When I would walk into a rooom and all of the men would just stare at my date it was like a drug to me. That huge empty space inside of me that should have been filled with self-love was filled with uncertainty and feelings of worthlesssness. Having other men envy me proved that everything that was said to me when I was younger was wrong. It said:
SEE ALL OF YOU #$%#$#%’s, YOU INSULTED ME BUT I AM BETTER THAN YOU AFTER ALL!!
I suffered all of these years, through all of these relationships to prove a point that no relationship could ever prove to me. I had to accept that I felt worthless and unlovable so that I could change it. I had to admit my anger and pain and let it out. It wasn’t losing these women that hurt so much, it was reliving all of my past hurt and rejection from my childhood. I’m finished with that. I’m done. I’m not going back. I am a smart, handsome, financially secure 39 year-old man with a bright future. Just as I can will the wrong person into my life, I can will the right person into my life. Or no one at all, if that’s what I choose.
SO CAN YOU AND YOU DESERVE IT!
Read these articles. Admit that your inordinate pain is probably not about the other person, but you and your feelings about yourself. Admit everything to youself, don’t be afraid of anything. It can’t hurt you and it’s the ONLY way to heal. Being afraid of my feelings did so much damage to me. The other person leaving you just validates what you already thought and that is what hurts the most. And the longest.
great Mike. This is where it is all at. Acknowledging that it is not about anybody else. It is about our ideas of ourselves and what we think of ourselves that are causing us pain.
It is looking at the parts of us that are in pain, distress and our rejection of ourselves. This has been the single most harsh and liberating thing, realising how much I dislike myself and even hate myself.
Now that i have been able to acknowledge that, I am now able to understand myself better and repair that broken spirit.
It is not that ‘they’ take away their love that hurts, it is realising that we don’t love ourselves. That is the saddest, most truthful part of it all.
WOW Mike. Thank you so much for sharing. That is incredible. I would like to put it on the main page of the blog if you don’t mind. Let me know. Thanks so very much for sharing.
Hello all!
First I would like to say that this site is incredible. I suffered from my most recent breakup for almost a year until I saw this site. It has been less than a week and I feel great. I’m sleeping and eating and feel like I have a bright future. There may be more bad days ahead, but now I know that my feelings won’t kill me and the world will not end if I just EXPERIENCE THEM AND LET IT HAPPEN!!
My story:
I worked with a girl that all the other men were drooling over and she was attracted to me. This was nothing new to me as I had always had girlfriends that were considered very attractive to me and others. Once I could get a date, that is. I wouldn’t have it any other way. ‘I deserve this’ I would say to myself. The best thing (I thought) was that they would ask me out! I never considered dating her until I was leaving the contract (I’m a consultant, she was also but became an employee at the same time my contract ended). We dated for about a year and then it ended. I was crushed. I had lost a friend, a lover and a confidant. She had never used me for money or anything else. She constantly offered to pay her own way and I respect that in a lady, although I feel that the man should pay for dates.
She said she wanted to move away and that we couldn’t be married although she routinely asked if I would join her when she found someplace that she liked. Mixed signals, just what I needed.
I decided not to call her but I would take her calls. I was very non-comittal when we talked after that. I would listen and encourage her dreams but never involve myself with them. I thought I was giving her the space she needed and I didn’t want to interfere with her plans. After a couple of months, the calls stopped. I decided to ‘deal with it’ and move on. I did this by denying that I was hurt, rejected and crushed. I was doing okay to varying degrees for the next 10 months. I convinced myself that she had left town and I was feeling ‘good’ although more than a little angry with women.
Then it happened: I saw her. She had found a new job in a building next door to the one I am curently working in downtown. I was shocked and before I knew it I was calling out her name. I wanted to say hello and see how she was doing. She asked me to lunch and, again, before I knew it I was agreeing to go. I was nervous when lunchtime came but not too badly. We went to lunch and had a good time (I thought). She gave me her number again. Although I never called her, I was completely comfortable with being near her (I thought). I just left it to circumstance. If I ran into her again maybe we could have lunch, but I wasn’t going to call and I knew she probably wouldn’t either. I’m fairly easygoing and feel that it’s best for everyone to forgive and move on.
Fast forward two weeks and I was feeling crushed, rejected and filled with anger at her. She hadn’t moved. The primary reason for her becoming distant and she hadn’t done it! I became filled with feelings of anxiety and anger. I had been rejected. Probably for some ^&*%#$# that mistreats her.
My past:
The rest of the story is not about her or what she ‘did’ to me. It’s about my past because all of my inordinate pain and suffering at breakups is about my past. In fact every girl that I have ever dated has been about my past. It has never been as much about them as it has been about me. Read that last sentence again because I will bet you 10-1 that if you are suffering more than others seem to, you are probably the same way. I’ve always wondered why my friends were ‘over’ their breakups in a matter of weeks, not months like me. I was clearly different in that respect. I have never even mourned a death as much as a breakup. You see, when someone dies they aren’t rejecting me. They kinda can’t help it.
My parents were divorced. My mother married the complete negative image of my loving, caring father. She married the biggest #$@%#^@$ I’ve ever known. He was both physically and mentally abusive to me. He called me the same names that the kids on the playgound did: lardass, fatass, ugly etc. At one point I told him that if he ever laid another hand one me or insulted me, I would kill him. And he knew that I meant it. I thought that statement should have come from my mother, not a 7 year old like me. My sister and I were moved to live with our father.
Please don’t misunderstand me, my mother never rejected me outright or had anything but kind, caring words of encouragement. me She was always available, kind, loving and willing to do anything for her children at any time. She simply did not have the mental strength to protect us from, or leave, this man. She denied that anything was wrong, I guess.
Since the time that we were moved to our father’s house, I had steeled myself against the playground insults and my stepfather. I thought.
My stepfather’s mental abuse continued during our visits to their house although it was more subtle. He rarely said anything outwardly cruel, but his ‘chores’ for me became cruel. I was made to do chores while my older sister (older by just over a year) did nothing. I was made to set and clear the table, do the dishes, take out the trash etc. My sister could do whatever she wanted. I was seriously like ‘Cinderella’. I can laugh about it now, but I felt like such a second class person. Less like a family member than a slave. I would go to my room after dinner and hide so I could cry by myself.
In high school I never had a date. I was overweight and had braces. I was ‘kindly’ rejected IF I even dared to ask a girl out. There seemed to be an inordinate amount of hair washing going on with the girls at my school, but who am I to say?
Once I reached college, I began to lose weight. It just happened, I didn’t really try. I was working 30 hours a week and going to school full-time as a student of Mechanical Engineeering. I was up long hours every day and the weight just started to come off.
That’s when I started to get attention from the ladies. I was shocked and woefully unprepared. My previous experiences had ‘taught’ me to be distrustful of women and my lack of self-worth in this area manifested itself as extreme self-confidence. Not that I’m not self-confident, I am; in my work. There are few who can analyze and solve a problem as quickly and completely as I can and I know it. That sounds egotistical, which I’m not. I know it because I hear it regularly (I become very shy at praise especially the public kind). I borrow this confidence in my work and apply it to my interaction with ladies. Confidence in my abilities at work is substituted for my lack of self-worth in that area. To people on the outside, I simply appear confident in all areas.
This problem of mine definitely attracts the WRONG kind of woman. This is amazing but I literally feel it in my stomach as a surge of adrenaline when I know that a woman is near me that will cause nothing but pain. A single look is all that it takes and I know everything that will happen. I could write the script, or at least an outline: 1.) I will attract her, no matter her current situation, 2.) we will date, 3.) I will become emotionally attached 4.) she will tell me that I am the greatest guy she’s ever known 5.) she will immediately leave me for someone who mistreats her. It’s a simple recipe and reliable too!
You see, the women that I attract have problems too. Their problems and my problems are perfectly ‘matched’ to create the maximum negative feelings in me. It’s not that I want it that way, it’s just that that’s the way my ‘energy’ is directed. This is going to sound wierd, but I now think that we can will that person into our lives unknowingly. I have determined that this is not necessarily bad. It just may trigger you, both of you, to take a long, deep, honest look at yourselves and why these things happen. Knowledge is power and once you understand something, you can conquer it, no matter what it is. The mind is incredibly powerful.
I have spent so much time, money and energy attempting to cure my past by dating very attractive ladies in order to prove to the world that I am worth something. When I would walk into a rooom and all of the men would just stare at my date it was like a drug to me. That huge empty space inside of me that should have been filled with self-love was filled with uncertainty and feelings of worthlesssness. Having other men envy me proved that everything that was said to me when I was younger was wrong. It said to the world:
SEE ALL OF YOU #$%#$#%’s, YOU TRIED TO PUT ME DOWN BUT I AM BETTER THAN YOU AFTER ALL!!
I suffered all of these years, through all of these relationships to prove a point that no relationship could ever prove to me. I had to accept that I felt worthless and unlovable so that I could change it. I had to admit my anger and pain and let it out. It wasn’t losing these women that hurt so much, it was reliving all of the hurt and rejection from my childhood. I’m finished with that. I’m done. I’m not going back. I am a smart, handsome, financially secure 39 year-old man with a bright future. Just as I can will the wrong person into my life, I can will the right person into my life. Or no one at all, if that’s what I choose.
SO CAN YOU AND YOU DESERVE IT!
Read these articles. Admit that your inordinate pain is probably not about the other person, but about you and your feelings about yourself. Admit everything to youself, don’t be afraid of anything. It can’t hurt you and it’s the ONLY way to heal. Being afraid of my feelings did so much damage to me. The other person leaving you just validates what you already thought and that is what hurts the most. And the longest.
Susan:
Thank you so very much for this site. I have already recommended it to a friend who is grieving.
As for my post, you may certainly use it wherever you would like. I would be honored, especially if my experiences help someone else. I feel that my post was the final step in afinally dmitting nearly 30 years of repressed feelings. As I said in my post, it has been less than a week since I found this and I feel like a new person. I have admitted my issues and will start to conciously improve myself.
One last thing. All of my experiences, the bad ones as well, have made me who I am today. I may never have been as resilient and driven to succeed without my past experiences. I think that helps to accept it more. Even embrace it as a part of me.
P.S. I would appreciate it if you would either change or remove my name. I never want my healing to hurt another person that may know me.
P.P.S. Sorry about the douvle post ;-)
Mike: You’ve said it perfectly. That’s what it’s all about.
Thank you for sharing that.
mike, your story sounds like my ex’s story and you are making me think that i am a bit too harsh on him right now because he has the same story and he functions in exactly the same manner as you have explained in your post. the difference between you and my ex though is that he would never sit down, reflect, analyze, understand and finally write down everything that you have described above. so this, on the other hand, makes me think that i am NOT really harsh on him :)
the problem i have is that my friends keep on telling me (consoling me??) that he will sit down, think and change to win me back. i really cannot hear this anymore because :
1) i believe it is one thing to sit down and think and even understand BUT it is another to change, and most people end it with the thinking part, and then go partying and trying to forget
2) i do not see my ex even sitting down to think, if he were to do it, he would have done it three years ago when he had the first red flags
i want my friends to stop saying stuff like this then, because they make me believe in miracles and i cannot get over this relationship. and besides, they do not really know him that well to say that with certitude, i know him better and he will not change
Hi waterlily – some of my friends and ALL of my family took this approach when my ex left me. They all told me that it was going to be okay – that he loved me and that he was going to come back. I have to say, it was the worst possible advice they could have given me! The reason I moved on relatively quickly was because of the friends who told me – this guy is a bastard for doing this to you, and you don’t want to take someone like this back, even if he came crawling. You’re right to preserve some dignity and value yourself more – stay away from friends who tell you that he’ll come back. The question you really should be asking is – why should you take him back, after what he’s done to you and your relationship?
When my ex left me I was willing to change anything and everything to get him back. I just wanted the pain to stop. Now that I have healed (not completely, but I am definitely on my way to healing) I am really grateful that I didn’t do that. And I am grateful to all my friends who actually pointed out that I deserve better than him.
yea, pigeon, you are right. i know it is really awful to realize that from now on your life continues without him and the couple identity is lost forever. but in fact, it is a more realistic view of the situation and at least you are not lying to yourself. the truth is, when we broke up three months ago all my friends said he would come back changed and i did not believe that. now he did come back indeed but HE HAD NOT CHANGED, HE WAS THE SAME AS BEFORE. and i know for sure that if he does come back like that the same he better not come back at all and i also know that if he is ever to come back, he can only come back like that UNCHANGED and i don’t want him the way he was. now that i sent him off again my friends keep on saying that THIS TIME he will really change for sure because now he actually got it. seriously, i just wanna tell them: when the hell are you gonna stop messing with my head??? this is indeed a bad advice because he is indeed a bastard and what i need right now is, like you, people to tell me bad stuff about him, not good stuff. i know all the good stuff that kept me imprisoned with him for years, now i wanna hear about all the bad stuff that helped me break free
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i read the experiences. please help what i do. i m stil in pain. we had the relationship of one year but complicated. he was already married but he had problems in his marrieage. he has also a one year daugther. We were working together and during tours he developed intimacy. I was clear that he is married i should not go over. but he was in bad state use to discuss daily about his family problems and the pain he is going through. He expressed he good he feels when he is with me. After two months he shared very honestly same feeling with his wife. As there marrieage was in trouble already, she decided to leave him She went. Then our relationship became stronger as he was in pain. i supported him but i always told him to go to his wife as he has a kid but he didnt want. Now he has decided to go back to his wife. but now i also in love with him. he dont want to continue with me now. i m still in contact with him. just help me what sdhould i do? i am in hope that if his wife will not come back then we will be together again but he asys no for this. i can understand him as i only pushed him to go back and now i am behaving like a stupid. please help what should i do? should i waity for him.
Just had a break uo,help me
Hello,
Wow what a journey…For the past 5 years I have been seeing and living with a woman who is 11 years younger then I (36 yo). She loved me with all that she could, loyal, trusting, a caretaker and much more..Through my lifestyle issues involving drinking and other things I have slowly pushed her out of my life. She broke up with me 4 weeks ago and I have been devasted. I have lost roughly 15 lbs and sleep an average of 4 hours a night. I feel like a crazy man.
The drinking I did was not the worst part, every 3 or 4 months I would relapse. I then would pickup the pieces and make a thousand promises. I would do my little song and dance and she would forgive me.
I have accompished a great deal with her by my side, I have built a life with a decent job, a new car, my own place and have even been going to school part time. She was so special to me and I wonder why I could not stop. I had tried going to AA while we were still together but it was a half hearted attempt she had seen before.
Over dinner we argued and I told her I didnt want to talk about my sobriety ( because I was full of BS ). I told her if she thought she could find someone better to be with then to do so, I even told her that most of the women in my life had had to break it off with me. We left the restaurant frustrated with one another and when we got to my home she told me she didn’t want to be in this relationship anymore. I could have seen this coming for some time, mayber I thought I could get around her again.
This time she means business and after quite a few talks and tears I realize she is ready to move on in life. She says her feelings of love for me have gone and she has nothing left to give. I am devastated and wonder how I could have sabotaged soemthing I wanted so much.
Since then I have been going to meetings everyday and have 35 days clean and sober. Too late for saving the relationship but the pain has launched me into a crusade for personal growth and recovery, I never wnat to bring this kind of baggage into a relationship again. I really loved her but apparently did not love myself enough.
I have lost a great friend and I hopw that we can talk in the future without my becoming over emotional and leaning or pressuring her to love me. I should be able to do that for myself. Lessons like this are so painful. I know she did the right thing and I respect her courage. She is very mad at me and tells me she was never happy with me, I do not wholly believe this as we did have quite a few good times and shared a alot of laughing and fun. I miss her :(
Bill: welcome to the blog. Throw yourself into recovery and you will be grateful for the gift of desperation. Worry about YOU as you are a full-time job. Best of luck in your sobriety.
Susan. Thank you for the kind words..I am steadily working on myself however the grief and anger at myself are still present. I do not know when we will ever speak again. I was totally immature and called her the other day at work only to make her cry..UGH ! Enough of that, I can see she wants to be left alone. Sadness fills my days../B
what do you do if you blame yourself for acting negative during the relationship? I was with him for 6 years. I know I did and kept on pushing him away and sabotaging it to the point that it has left a bitter taste in his mouth and he doesnt want any relationship with me anymore. In fact he has moved on. I want him back because he was the most loving, gently and supportive soul I have ever met and I do love him. He loved me to bits and would do anything for me and my family. I really regret my behaviour which I put down to fear of commitment and very negative towards him. I picked on everything and in hind sight know i was wrong.
I entered a relationship with a man that promised me, if I would only give him the chance, to quit smoking and overdrinking. I had been in al anon and recovery after my marriage years before, and ignored the red flags due to loneliness and the need for help with my house, which was upside down with renovations that were messed up. I also liked him, he was a nice guy, and I enjoyed hanging out with him most of the time. He showed up on the first date with alcohol on his breath, said it was an altoid, and then hung over when meeting my adult son. I told myself it was emotional drinking. He held down a job, good credit rating, was raising a teenage daughter. I wanted to believe that he would “change” for me. How nuts is that? Pseudo attempts happened, wearing the Patch when around me, but nothing really changed. It was good while I believed he was trying. Then it always stopped, due to one reason or another. I realized this, tried to break it up several times, but kept him around for many reasons, while my ego said “I could handle it” and I slowly lost respect for him. We were really on two different levels, I had gone through so much with my divorce and recovery.
I never thought I’d do this again, but there was a sense of coming in out of the cold, with his daily calls and weekend plans. I realized he wanted me as the therapist for his relationship with his daughter, who was getting busted over and over for drinking. Most conversations ended up being about his kid and whatever thing she was doing, or his ex, who he hated. I encouraged counselling for the kid and for him. He put her in it but never did his own work. He refused to do anything about his own daily beer drinking in the home and kept alcohol in the house, despite the kid acting out. It really got to me, and made me lose alot of respect for him as a parent. When the kid took a half bottle of tylenol while drunk, told him about it, and was put in a clinic for a week, she asked him to keep alcohol out of the house. About a week later, i called him and heard the slurring of words, and the excuse “I had a bad day” come out of him. That was the straw that broke the camel’s back. Watching his permissiveness in making the kid his friend, letting her smoke at 14,15 right around the house with him, really turned me off. I had once agreed to take him to gestalt therapy demo, and when I picked him up at 6pm, he smelled of beer. I was appalled, confronted him on it, and he told me to pull the car over, so I left him on a highway near his house. Not the kind of relationship I envision. Was he there for me? Physically, in many ways, always doing something together, cooking, watching tv, going to places that I usually initiated. Went on vacation. And yet I did not want him on vacation with me and my family this year, didn’t figure him into the plans, wrote in my diary that I knew this had to end. So I ended it. Then guess what? Contacted him, felt regret, wanted him to say I guess what he said in the beginning, that if that was my bottom line, he’d stop it. But he didn’t. He clammed up, men don’t have feelings like women or some bs, would never talk about any problem in the relationship. I was the one to do that type of work.
If I didn’t sleep with him, he never confonted me or asked why, just accepted everything. So why, after all of this, am I having trouble, five weeks after the event?
He called a week ago, I blurted out I missed him and loved him, he answered in kind, asked me to dinner, but i made him wait a week. I had plans with people from al anon
and all the new hard work I was doing of filling up my time, and I would not cancel those plans. When he came for the dinner, I had his leaf blower in the yard, so it would be in his car and out of here. We talked at dinner about nothing. I waited for him to bring up the relationship, his feelings, anything. All he talked about was his kid and his ex wife. Its so clear to me that we were more friends and leaned on one another for me–help with the house and companionship, him–therapy from me about his kid.
It stopped being about “us”, as it was in the beginning. So here I am , struggling with two parts of myself. The one who wants him back, and the one who knows I need to break it off and move on. I might add I have been single since 1990 and this year and a half relationship was the longest one I had since the marriage. I liked having someone there for me. But was he really? On a surface level, yes.
so I realize the work has to be with me, but i am having one heck of a time. I read the blogs here because it helps me with the NC. I’m just sick and tired of waking up sad or obsessing over this all the time, trying to read my diary to remind me why I don’t want to be with him. I know the psychobabble of me doing some sort of repetition compulsion, trying to get a different ending to a relationship that is similar to my childhood and marriage. I am in counselling, group and individual. I am going to al anon. I am hanging with family, but they don’t want to hear about this all the time, so I try not to talk about it. But I just am having a hard time, being the one who broke up, but hoped, somewhere, that he would get it together. I know I have issues in this, it always takes two. I just don’t know what to do with myself, kids grown and successful and healthy and on their own. I’m 50. I feel like I should just never get into another relationship because they always end with heartache. And I have such abandonment issues. I don’t feel like killing myself, which I did in the beginning. But I have such a melancholy about it all. Life seems flat. And I miss the feeling of security of a relationship. I know I have my stuff here, it isn’t all him, it never is with anyone.
How do I move on? How do I heal? Someone acted interested in me and I just don’t want to even get into that because I know there seems to always be breakup. On this site, so many of you write of the many breakups you’ve had. So why even go back into it? I’m thinking of just devoting myself to spiritual seeking, career development, family matters, and skipping relationships. They don’t seem to be in the cards for me.
And it makes me sad and like I’m defective due to whatever crap I learned in childhood. Well. That’s all I have to say right now. Thanks for reading this and for writing about your own stuff, because your stuff does help me realize I am not alone in this world with these awful feelings. Thank you. Kathy S.
Kathy S,
I think it IS harder to send someone away at midlife, and harder to believe in the future when you do. A lot of people here, including me, are in this same boat with you, and an arms around for how that feels. But it seems like you have your answer here in your own words: you are “the one who knows [you] need to break it off and move on.” The problem with being with someone who is addicted is that their primary relationship is with their drug of choice. You will always come second to that, and it’s not a good place to be. Wish him well and let him go. You’re going to need all the energy you’ve been expending to change him (you can’t do that; only he can) for your own life.
I know very well (as do many of us here) the flat feeling you describe, and the uncertainty over what’s to come. It’s great that you’re in counseling and getting lots of support while you try to deal with all this. You need to keep treating yourself as gently as possible. Try to think of things that will re-interest you in your own life. Yes, DO devote yourself to “spiritual seeking, career development, family matters,” and anything else that interests you and fills your soul.
But don’t think of it as a hiding place from relationships. It’s your LIFE. The only one we get. And the happier and more at peace you can become in it, the more likely you are to find good people to share it. But please don’t shut off your feelings or give up hope. I know it sounds counterintuitive, especially when you’re exhausted (I’ve been there too), but could you maybe try to be MORE open to your life? There’s such a difference between being passive about it and being truly open to it. Whether you’re with a partner or not, you’ll have the best life you can if you “dwell in possibility,” as the poet Emily Dickinson wrote. It’s just a better place to be.
Things will start to get better if you just keep treating yourself more lovingly than you ever have before. Think about how things make YOU feel. Ask yourself, What do I (emphasis I) want? Love your life, just as it is, as fully and completely as you can, a little more each day. You don’t know what’s in the cards for you. Nobody does. But the future isn’t something that just happens to you; it’s something you build for yourself, out of today. Make it sturdy and beautiful. What kind of house do you want? Start small, but start planning. You can do this! (-;
Love and hope to you, and everybody out there.
Hi bluebird,
I liked this expression you mentioned, “the future isn’t something that just happens to you; it’s something you build for yourself, out of today. Make it sturdy and beautiful.”
When you have a chance could you read my post and let me know your thoughts? Thanks a lot in advance.
Gina
Thanks, bluebird (of happiness:)!
I’m glad to get a response to the thoughts rambling in my head. Emily Dickinson is a favorite poet of mine…to “dwell in possibility” is a hopeful thought. How to be more Open to my life…that seems hard to comprehend right now. It is difficult at midlife, my kids are grown and on their own, the house is quiet besides the cats and when I turn the radio/tv on. What is possible? Is it possible I will finally let go of my need to rescue or fix another person, something I wanted to do with my mentally ill mother all my life? I know where this started, just haven’t figured out how to finally, completely let it go. Al Anon talks about this very thing, the need to fix or control, in order to get the needs met that were not met a long long time ago. All I can say is I believe I am doing the best I can for myself, using all my intelligence. I am in therapy, I am working on the issue. I want to change this once and for all. I want to heal from this.
Truthfully, all my life I was open to the possibility that a relationship with a partner was what I wanted. I wanted that more than anything. It is a human need, and it is real. Tonight I was downtown with my brother and daughter, saw all the women and men milling the streets, all the glitter, etc, and knew that is not what I want, at this stage. I want a partner to share the paper with, cook for, have friends over with, call everyday just to tell someone who I care about, who cares about me, about my day. I want to cherish and be cherished.
I want maturity and emotional availability. I want someone who has a spiritual side to them, to laugh with them, to respect them and admire them. Someone who is not adolescent or addicted. Someone I can be passionate with, who I trust and who is loyal. Surely that must exist somewhere, I can’t be the only person who wants that.
But until I let go of this part of me that gets attracted to a person’s “potential” and can not accept them for who they are, exactly as they are, I will not find what I want.
So that is my work. I need the courage to change the things that I can, which is me and my choices. I need to pay close attention to my wants and needs and honor them.
Thank you for your note. I feel better that someone heard me. Have a wonderful day, and one day I’d like to hear your story too…
Kathy S.
my ex and i broke up three months ago. i thought i was doing “ok” until this fruday, when i found out her is dating someone else. the crazy thing is that i brokeup with him, yet, this new information has hit me HARD. i feel nauseous. i just want this to be over. i don’t think i have done a very good job of realing moving through things…we were having pretty regular contact up until a month ago. i
HI Laura,
Yes, when they start dating someone else, even if you broke it off, it has a feeling attached to it that brings us to another part of letting go. It’s absolutely normal
to feel upset. I learned in one relationship, where I broke it off and he begged to remain friends, that even though we did remain friends, once he got over it, a year later, he went with another woman and dumped the “friendship” totally. I couldn’t believe how it hurt and it confused me. What I learned from that lesson and am applying now, is the NC rule.
It is a good rule, because it is true, it gives us a space to heal our vulnerable self and regrow our skin.
I’m new to this site, but hearing other’s journey towards healing has really helped me and I hope it will help you, too. No contact gets easier with time. Filling up the spaces with other friends, new interests, even going through the motions of doing something other than sitting around, and pining, helps. Therapy helps. Just know that what you are feeling is normal and a new part of letting go. I’m sorry it hurts and know that people here understand and are here to comfort and cheer one another on to healing.
Blessings and peace to you
MovingOn,
I was looking for a certain post and I found this. I was struck by how much your attitude towards your ex has changed from January 2008 to now. It’s pretty amazing! It reassured me about myself. I thought, Well, if MovingOn’s attitude has changed this much, maybe mine has changed, too.
Your posts now seem to be those of someone who is truly getting past her past. Someone who is confident and self-assured about what she thinks and what/whom she wants.
That’s good news to the rest of us, who are trying to get
there, too.
Thanks for being such a good role model, MovingOn.
Aw Seeif! Thank you so much. That really made my day.
The truth is that sometimes I forget just how far I have come. Like I know it on some level, and I feel it, but reading old posts really puts things into perspective for me. This place is a great way to chart your progress.
Also, I read my journal entries from the fall sometimes and I can hardly believe how much things have changed in the past half-year. I mean I could not stop crying for months. I remember walking home from the train once at night and just falling on the sidewalk sobbing, wishing I was dead. I don’t even know how long I sat there.
So I definitely know how hopeless and horrible it can feel to be in the midst of all that. It feels like it will never, ever end. But it will, and it does.
It’s a big part of why I still come to the site regularly. I want to help other people because I’ve been there and I couldn’t have possibly been more devastated and now I finally feel good again. And the truth is that another six months from now, I’m sure I’ll look back on now and be like “wow, I’m way better off.” It’s a long, arduous process.
You’re doing great though. I mean it. And thanks a lot for the kudos.
Hi Movingon,
I read all of your postings… I wish I could move on like you did.
I feel a bit better now after the breakup 3 days ago but still don’t have much energy and don’t have appetite…
I just posted one very long one at the very end. I am wondering if you could do me a favor of reading my story and give me some advice. I feel really sad because I moved to a different state for a new job a month ago (at the end of March 2009) to leave him but can’t focus on work due to lack of enthusiasm/energy. I’m very scared of losing my job. I’m spedning most of my time reading relationship books or thinking of what to do….
Thanks in advance.
Gina
Moving on,
I needed to read your post today…You are an inspiration to me.
Your sobbing on the sidewalk brought tears to my eyes, I so relate.
I have had a very bad week, almost 4 months separated, only a week NC, facing the reality and finality of my divorce is so painful.
I sat in church on Sunday with tears streaming down my face, for awhile I didn’t think I would make it through the service.
I know I will get through this, but most days, lately I feel so hopeless and alone I wonder if I’ll find my way out…you give me hope!
I won’t worry about not feeling much better day after day then, and crying all the time.
I will keep repeating ‘this is a process’.
katt,
I can relate. These days I feel rather weak, too. It seems as if the finality of it (having chosen it myself!) is felt stronger with each day that passes (over 2 months since breakup, together almost 5,5 years). I too cry virtually every day (I may suddenly burst into tears, with no prior “warning”), or think how much I miss him. I have not told him anything, and sometimes I scream “you have no idea!”. Well, it was kinda mutual, but still loving each other when we split. It was a breakup because “there was no other way”. Having fought a battle for so many years, a battle to stay together, but also – alas – a battle against each other. So much is unconscious, I think. He kept saying (when we both cried) that we have ruined it all. But I dont think that all can be “controlled”. We just kept reacting in an aggressive to one another, despite all feelings and passion. It just was not possible anymore. And the realization of that, or its finality, dawns on me more and more (whilst I am expecting this to become easier!). Probably more patience needed………..
PS: When I say “I scream”, I do this to myself….he does not know any of this. Sometimes the urge is so strong to want to “share”. But knowing I would never do that, also hurts in a strange way, as it reminds me of the finality of my own ways.
Katt and Greenroses,
I’m so sorry to hear about all the pain you’re in right now. I wish I could do something to ease it for you, somehow.
I think it’s a good idea to remember that it’s a process and to truly let yourself feel horrible when it hits….once I started giving myself permission to grieve, a few months in, the process was hastened. I took off 2 days from work once just to lay in bed and sob with the blankets pulled over my head. That is what I needed at the time.
Also, therapy was a great outlet. I’d go in there and just talk it out and cry, let out everything I’d been feeling and trying to keep a lid on, and it did wonders. Because friends will be there for you, but after a point, many of them won’t know what to say and will want you to “move on” before you’re ready. In therapy, you can talk about the same thing over and over and nobody is trying to change the subject, and they’re offering helpful feedback. So that helps.
I was so bad for a while that I considered going on anti-depressants. I mean I was able to function and go to work and everything, but my insides were screaming and the crying jags would hit without any kind of warning. It was unbearable. I never went the pill route but it probably wouldn’t have been the worst idea if I did either.
You’ll pull through this. Cross my heart.
When I went thru this the first time I agree with Movingon and how you go to work and get the pay check but your insides are screaming, people are telling you to get closure (I ask closure from a N I dont think so) and your head is constantly playing the whole thing over and over and over again every minute. I also thought of going on anti-depressants but chose to go thru the pain and feel it and then get thru it. This time it is no different except 5 more yrs together and 5 more yrs of memories and its worse because of that but with therapy and one close friend who is my break up buddy and I can say whatever I want to as many times as I need I will get thru this. See there really isnt any other choice and everything is temporary….even life is temporary, this pain will end and happiness will come back, just not today.
Hi Everybody,
First of all hugs to everyone who is going through the pain and trying to work through the process. Some days we don’t feel like we are moving forward but we do it – just not as fast as we want.
Five years ago when the first banana head left me, my dad died 10 days later unexpectedly, and a year earlier our son was diagnosed with kidney cancer I too didn’t want to try the pill route. However I finally accepted that I needed them. It was hard for me to admit that. I still felt the pain; I still went through the process but they helped me focus. I was on them for a year. I guess I want everyone to know that if you need them please do not take them because of other’s perception. The chemical imbalance may just be temporary. I wish each of you joy, hope and grace. We can do this and we will.
mlm2004, I completely agree if you need to take the pills totally take them…they were described to me as they just help you keep your focus and keep things on an even keel. I may even end up on them in the next month who knows…for now I am just trying to get up bruch my teeth and pay the bills and focus on breathing, this process sucks but I know it will make me stronger in the end.
In 19 days it will be a year since my partner left me and the pain I feel now is just as intense and just as raw as it was when it first happened.
I miss her so much. She was incredibly cruel in the aftermath of the break-up, entered several new relationships and slandered me as much as possible.
In spite of all of that I still care for her and as the big one year anniversary draws closer I find it harder and harder to face the prospect of starting another year feeling like I do. I carry on, despite not wanting to but have to say it feels more like Im just existing rather than living. How do I deal with this emptyness, the fact that I’ve lost all trust… I don’t know anymore. I need help.
J,
do you not feel any anger? You say she was “incredibly cruel” to you.
Greenroses,
It was more than incredibly cruel, it was like I was trapped in an episode of Melrose Place, yet each blow, and I’ve had almost a year of them, has just left me more and more shellshocked. I have been waiting to get angry but it has never happened. I just feel profoundly hollow. I thought depression was just feeling really sad, I now know it has this horrid, metallic, chemical quality and is level of internal that makes life very very hard.
J,
have you seen a therapist? What you describe sounds hard to conquer on your own. If you are suffering of depression, you need to see a therapist. Never getting angry at being treated in a cruel way does not strike me as healthy.
Wishing you all the best!
PS J,
Susan has written about depression, try this post:
http://gettingpastyourpast.wordpress.com/2007/11/19/are-you-depressed/
J, it also sounds like trauma bonds.
What is going on inside you is much much more than what happened in the past with the ex. It sounds like your ex pulled up a lot of mess from your past. I echo Greenroses in urging you to get recommendations for good therapists who will help you start to sort this out. I also recommend that you buy Susan Anderson’s book (see the list of books recommended by Susan Elliott to the right).
Also, you need to get up and get moving. Do you walk? Do any exercise?
The pain you feel is the same because you have not been doing anything to work on dissolving it. Time is not going to heal the wound well. Put this in the search box to the right “Don’t Give Up the Day Before The Miracle Happens”.
Join the YAHOO group- see Susan’s button to the right.
You WILL feel better. There is light at the end of the tunnel.
So I was with my ex for 6 months when all of a sudden he wanted space. That was the end of April and we continued to get back together and split until finally on June 4th he called it quits. Said he is lost and confused and not sure what to do and what he wants out of life. Well, even just a week and a half ago he started calling again, texting all the time, emailing me and then once again he backed off. So on the 4th of July I told him I am going away. Basically he will never hear from me again. Well, today July 7th is my birthday and he text me at 12:36am which simply stated ‘Happy Birthday’. Then at 10:44am he sent an email saying he just wanted to take a second to wish me a happy birthday and hopes all is well and i deserve the best. I have not responded to either contact and am an emotional wreck. I have been seeing a counselor for about 3 weeks now due to so many unresolved past issues and now this horrible end to a great friendship and who I thought was the one. This is a tough day for me….35 is not easy as it is then dealing with the emotional rollercoaster has made it worse.
Serenity, you could be right with trauma bonds, the fact is while it is nearly a year since my ex and I split we worked together right up until the end of February, so the whole thing was dragged out.
I do exercise, it doesn’t stop the way I feel. I thought she was the girl I would marry I didn’t think she would ever do the things she did.
I still love her and miss her, despite everything and I hate life without her.
Yet her take is the opposite and that cripples me with pain.
I was hoping that Susan would write about trauma bonds someday, it’s an amazing subject.
This article has helped so much. My ex broke up with me after 2 years. He said it was because his mom did not like me. He wanted to stay friends. I wanted to so bad but I have taken the advise of this article and not contacted him. I need some space. A week ago he called and text me because he was angry about me hanging out with another guy, (who is a mutual friends and is going through a break up). I called him and told him we needed to talk face to face. We meet and he apologized and I told him that I forgave him but he has no right to get angry at me for hanging out with other people because he ended our relationship. Since this I have seen him once and it has been much better. I still do not plan on hanging out with him for a while. I am taking some me time. If any one has any advise I would welcome it.
God Bless yall
Deveri
Deveri,
See if you can keep a lot of space between you and your ex for at least 6 months (no texting, calls, emails, meetings) so that his feelings of “ownership” and any attachment you two have to each other can dissolve (since the relationship cannot work, it is best).
Now it’s time to take time for yourself and take care of yourself, as you so wisely have said. You might find doing the Relationship and the Life Inventories on this site insightful. Susan also has another posting on the site called something along the lines of “Sometimes it’s just not right”. You can go through the back postings and look at the titles and see what seems to be of interest to you.
Thanks Serenity,
I am trying to keep space between us. But it is hard because we live in a small town and i seem that every where I go I happen to see him. Like the other night I went to get a coffee and then behind me in line some one says hi. I turn around and there he is with two girls he took to Bible study. I am going away this next week for five days and I am going to turn off y cell and jest spend time away from it all. I don’t want to move away because I have a life here to and I feel like I would be running away if I did that. I will look into those other articles and maybe find some help.
Deveri
I’ve had it. Five days out from the big one year anniversary and I’m tired of limping along. She broke me with her infidelity, yet I still love her and can’t erase her. I sit here and wonder why I carry on. I don’t want to live like this, haunted by what could have been – what should have been. She took everything I had, she might as well have taken my life.
J,
I don’t know if this will help, but I’ll give it a shot. I struggled a lot with “splitting” when I thought back over my relationship, trying to understand how the person who said he loved me, etc., could move in with someone new within six weeks of our breakup.
It just seemed like I was dealing with two different people. Many weeks ago I realized that a lot of the person I thought I loved was probably made up by me in my head, that I had painted a rosier picture because I wanted SO BADLY for this to be it, for him to be the one. I ignored the warning signs and painted all of his hurtful actions over with some hardcore, “He didn’t mean it” paint.
Finally, today, it occurred to me that I have spent a lot of time mourning the real person, the person who hurt me, but that I really needed to mourn the person I THOUGHT HE WAS. I needed to mourn my creation. I wrote him a letter, which actually began,
“Zooey (pet name – it was important that I addressed it to the creation),
I miss you. There’s this terribly confused, thoughtless, down right deceptive and mean person romping around in your body these days. I know you can’t come back. But I want you to know that even if this person continues to galavant around in your body for the rest of his days, there are things about you, the man I loved for nearly a decade, that I won’t forget.”
And I went on to list those things he’d done that fit with my picture of who I wished he was.
You can bet I did a fair amount of crying while writing this, but it was a different kind – somehow free of some of the anger that usually accompanies my journaled letters to him.
Again, I don’t know if that helps. But don’t give up. I know how much this sucks. It especially sucks when they’ve moved on quickly. But really, a year ain’t so long in the scheme of things. It feels like forever when every day, every hour, stings as badly as this grief does. My uncle, who’s a grief counselor, practically hit me upside the head when I lamented not being ready for dating after “six whole months.” Sorry, babe, he said, but if you loved him as much as we all know you did you’re probably looking at at least another two years of this processing. It won’t hurt like this forever, but it’s not going anywhere tomorrow…
I did the niece-uncle love-punch for his flippant attitude, but I know he’s right. This takes time and time and time. In the meantime, keep coming back here.
I’m sorry that you’re feeling so low J. But J, what have you done to get yourself out of this quandrary? If you don’t change things in yourself, nothing will change. At this point, the only bad stuff is in your mind. The bad stuff that she brought to your life (and yes, it’s bad not to be true and loyal) is gone.
SHE DOESN’T MATTER. She’s GONE. You’re lucky. You don’t have to put up with that rubbish of infidelity.
You are the most important person in your life, and it sounds as if you are dropping the ball here. Nothing could have been. She was cheating. This is about her “stuff” and would always be true. It is part of her nature.
She didn’t take anything from you except *your life with a untrustworthy cheating bananahead*. You would have just been together longer with a cheater, who would have then been able to rub your face in it more.
You need to have your own life. Intact. One that you could share with someone who also has an intact, integrity-based life.
Take a look at this: http://gettingpastyourpast.wordpress.com/2007/02/22/222-tftd-on-working-for-it/
And if you haven’t read “Don’t Give Up the Day Before The Miracle Happens”, put it in the search box to the right. And start reading and reading.
I’m not sure if this is the place to post, but I’ve searched the web and the content here seems most appropriate. I’m looking for sites and online resources to discuss or get feedback on loss that may seem to others to be insignificant but that feels very significant. I just had a recent break up of a short-term relationship and the feelings are flooding in that are very much like the ones I had in other losses. It surprises me that this loss feels so strong, but she was becoming very much a part of my daily life and so… you know. It’s hard! And I have chosen not to try to be friends. I’m interested in learning if there are others that are experiencing this degree of loss in what many would consider short term relationships. Anyone… point me to the right place / forum?
JP,
you are definitely in the right place. Re. loss and grief, let me recommend “The Grief Recovery Handbook” to you (listed to the right). And in “Categories” you can look for whatever subject interests you the most. Maybe your recent loss triggered other unresolved grief and loss issues? You will find lots of posts here on the subject and a lively exchange.
thank you, thank you, thank you. I found your site today and I am already feeling so much stronger. I know it will be an up and down process but I am learning to appreciate every up moment I can get.
This site is the most helpful,insightful place for those that are suffering from heartbreak.
TB
I am so glad I found this site last night. About 3 weeks ago, my 8 year relationship ended as my ex decided that things had just broken down between us and he thought ending it would be the best way for both of us to be happy in the long run. I also later found out that he has already moved on and met a girl from Thailand (on a business trip) that he was looking into getting a visa for her to come vist already. It hurt like hell to find out after 8 years together it was so easy for him to move on. He is also really wanting to stay friends and I just don’t know if that will be possible because right now I only have him in my heart, and know that regular contact with him will just make it harder if not impossible for me to heal. This site just reaffirmed everything I had thought. I just made it my first week in my own apartment, and the loss of not just the partner I thought I was going to share my life with but the life I had completely fell apart. (The house was in his name thought we had both moved into it together, and my apartment is much to small to have taken the 65 lbs dog we had). I am definately still in the devistation phase of my greiving but I have come to this site for a little reassurance that I will make it through this process.
-JL
JL,
Of course he wants to be friends, you pump up his ego because he knows you still love him. Many people run right into another relationship, it’s a nice panacea instead of dealing with reality, like harshly leaving someone that was counting on you to follow through with commitments. Hold your head up high and don’t be friends. What kind of friend leaves someone he loved for someone else and rubs that in your face? He doesn’t deserve you. No contact. It’s best to start small, say no contact for at least three months and then go from there. Details can be worked out, if you can, talk to a thearpist to guide you through the MANY ways to get through the details of a breakup without adding more pain. You will make it through this and when you do, you’ll look back and be SO HAPPY you didn’t fall for the ‘let’s be friends,’ BS.
My relationship ended 5 days, he never mentioned it would be forever so I thought we still had a chance and let me think the same. He wasn’t being honest. Today my poor little already broken heart received another hit, he told me he doesn’t love me like he used it and that he was “now” sure that we weren’t going to get back together. I humiliated myself and begged him for another chance. I felt so low I begged, cried, screamed fell on my knees and cried and screamed some more. I haven’t stopped crying this afternoon and I haven’t slept these past days. I feel that I can’t handle this. I feel that I am not going to make it. I had sever panic anxiety attacks I’ve had them before once or twice. I live with him and I can’t move out for a year I can’t afford it plus we signed the lease 2 months before. I wish he would’ve told me this 2 months ago since he told me he’s been feeling this way for a long time. I feel like a fool. I need help. My family lives far away but they’re coming to visit in 7 days. I am hoping these days would go by faster. I keep lying to myself telling me that I’ll be ok. But I can’t I love him. I grew up with him. I shared all that I have with him.
Okay I survived the anniversary….just. I thought it would be a cut-off point a moment that if I could get past it all this would fade…. I spent much of the next week crying. What do you do if you still love someone? I know I shouldn’t because of the hurt she caused me, but how do you turn that off? She was cruel, twisted and unbelievably mean. Yet I miss her. How the hell does anyone get out of this funk? I dont really feel I am living, I just feel like I’m carrying on and to be honest what is the point in that?
J – how long has it been since you split? What did she do that mean? Concentrate on that and how it made you feel at the time, write about how it made you feel, go back to that feeling if you can. Remember it and then I would try and work on why you want to be with someone who is ‘cruel, twisted and unbelievably mean’? Did you like it when she made you feel like that?
Could it be possible that you are missing being with someone, having someone special in your life, being part of a couple etc as opposed to missing her? If so, its important to seperate the two feelings as they are very different.
Don’t assume that just cos you miss her you want her back and cannot move on. Im not expert but maybe your mind is not letting it fade yet as it still has some learning/acknowledging/understanding left to do.
Take each feeling seperately and examine it a little closer. Don’t link it all together and assume you can’t move on, thats simply not true.
There are relationship and life inventories on here – have a go and see what you think.
Don’t give yourself a hard time, it will take as long as it takes. Keep at it, people say the rewards are worth it and i guess we both have to believe that right??
Good luck xx
Its a merry go round of good days and bad days, you have to take a turn at both sides a few times before it starts to make any sense.
Amanda – you sound like you are understandably in shock. Try and get some sleep, try and eat something, try to be gentle with yourself. Im sorry this has happened to you but you will come out of the other end – just needs alot of time and patience
Red x
I have just gotten out of a 13 year relationship. I held on for 7 months because the problems were nothing that we hadn’t worked out before but this time I couldn’t get any kind of a response from him in trying to resolve the issues. We own a house together and I made the decision to move into an apartment and right to the moment I was moving I was still hoping for a reconcilation. Well when I went back to get the remainder of my things that he was well aware I was doing I found HIS GIRLFRIENDS things in my house. He couldn’t even wait till I had gotten all my stuff out! Needless to say it gave me a lot of answers about his behavior and disregard for our relationship but it knocked me to my knees. I never ever thought he had a girlfriend never thought he would cheat on me as we always had an understanding that if either of us wanted to move on we would be up front about it and not try to have our cake and eat to. Well so much for honesty.
I have gone through all the steps you hve advised and love this site and if I do say so myself I have come along way but also have a long way to go.
I have never had contact with him since i found out, I have journaled, I have gotten myself to work and out of the house. My problem is on weekends it starts all over again, it seems no matter how busy I can keep myself (I really don’t have any friends (my friends were his friends) and when I do go out I am okay for awhile but then I start looking at all the couples and I get so depressed and usually have to go home because I start crying.
I am looking into social groups just to meet friends but to no avail so far.
I also read “It’s called a breakup because it’s broken” which I highly recommend to anyone going through this heartbreak, it has become my bible along with this site.
Please tell me how do I get past this socializing without always getting so depressed. I would appreciate any help with this.
Dear Susan/Moving On, and others:
I am a first timer here and already find it comforting that there are so many suffering like I am. I will tell you briefly where I am. Before you brand me the villian (which I think I am too) please listen to my story.
I am a married man who had an affair. I am so sorry this happened because all its given me is pain. I even regret the day I met my affair. My wife loves me and I love her too, but this new woman has taken over my mind. It started as a casual thing but then I think she satrted getting guilty pangs and wanted to end it for the last year. We end it but whenever we meet, we have sex. Then after that meetings she says she needs space and we go on trying to give space and then meet again and we are back in bed, which is terrific. But I cannot go on like this. She always wants space but does not?? I am totally confused and don’t know what to do. Everytime she wants space I feel miserable. I think she likes me too but feels conflicted, which I can understand.
I know I am totally in the wrong, but how does one tell that to one’s heart? My mind knows what to do but my heart won’t let go. It hurts and it hurts bad. Sorry!
man up and end it with the wife or the girlfriend. stop acting with your small brain. Take responsibility for your actions. there is a recent post – in the past week about that. take responsibility for your actions and be a man.
Manin,
If you are sleeping with someone else, then you don’t love your wife. That’s not love. That your girlfriend is blowing hot and cold is another issue entirely, and she is most likely doing that because you are married. You cannot have both -decide what you want, and the rest will follow.
Manin,
these things happen, but I agree with the others: make your mind up and then be fair about it. Maybe you can only be with your wife whilst having an affair on the parallel – then that’s too bad for your wife. Or maybe you would not be attracted to that other woman if it weren’t the thrill of the illicit – not good for her either.
You are responsible for YOUR actions. And if they are (potentially or really) hurting others, you are responsible for that, too. “Be a man” (meaning live a truth rather than a lie) sums it up pretty well.
I know I know I know. First, thank you all for being so candid and telling me the truth. But, I think I am sane enough to know the truth, but to act on it is a totally different matter. I know I should not do this to my wife. I know I should not even do this to my girl friend. But I feel so weak when ti comes to actually trying to break it up. I feel like I cannot do without my girl.
Yes, as you all suggest, my best path is to “be a man” and take responsibility. I just wish her thoughts did not torture me so. How do I, by myself, throw her out of my mind. Guys, it’s difficult. It’s not that I have not tried. I go to a certain extent and then fail and become weak and get in touch with her and then eventually meet her….
“Be a Man”. I need to keep repeating this. I wish it was simple. I wish I could just forget her. I wish I never met her. But I seem to need her…..
Sorry guys…..
Thanks Beatrice, Greenroses, Gordon.
Hearing it (the truth) from others I guess reinforces in me what I need to do. I know what I need to do. I just hope that soon I will get the will power together to get it done.
Leaving my wife is not an option. There are just too many that will get hurt by that. I have to let my girlfriend go… I think I love her though this site also keep saying that hurting or grieving is not love…..
thanks guys…..
Excuses excuses. If you can’t do without your girl, leave your wife. Otherwise break it off for good.
This blog, more than most, is about taking responsibility for yourself and doing the right thing. If you want to straighten all this all, stick around.
Yes, be a man about this.
Thanks Gordon. Yes, I will stick around.
Things are so easily said than done. I would presume your issue was not as grave….
Thanks again friend.
Manin,
So why are you here? To figure out why your girlfriend does what she does or to figure out your own stuff? Because it’s not about the girlfriend. We don’t care why she does what she does. If you want help here, I suspect it’s going to have to be all about you and getting real with yourself. It’s hard work and it really has nothing to do with willpower (you could wait forever for that to come). If you’re here to clean up your own side of the street, as Susan says, then you could start by doing some more reading (see the long list of topics to the right) and then formulating some questions to try to answer–questions that are all about you and your unfinished business. You might want to do life and relationship inventories (do a search to the right or at top of main page to find those posts).
Finally, why do you assume that leaving your wife would hurt too many people? Are you so sure that she would be better off not knowing? That seems arrogant to me. Maybe your wife is, or would become, stronger and happier without you. Maybe that is what scares you the most?
Kathy
Thanks Kathy. Your advice is really appreciated.
I know I have given this girl too much importance. I know this should be just about me and how I clean up my side of the street. I know about the inventories as well cause I have read about them over and over. I have not actually started doing it because I don’t know where I want to go. It feels so so so difficult to even think about letting her go. But then I have my wife on the other side who loves me so much. I come from a more traditional family and leaving my wife would just cause too my turbulence. But besides that, I do love my wife. (Can a person love two people??? but someone said that is not love anymore). I know it’s selfish to want them both at the same time, but many people I know have been doing that, but yes I know that is not the answer.
I think I have to bear this burden for some more time until I see the light (or want to see the light). Like you say, I need to read up more and maybe get started with the inventories. I just have to figure out how I get over my girl….that will be my solution. Right now I am in NC. Hopefully this might help until she gets in touch, then the story starts again……
Manin,
You think you will have “to bear this burden? Are you kidding me? YOU created this mess.
I agree this is about taking responsibility.
From what I can see you need to decide if you are going to be an honorable man or not, because certainly right now you are not.
Trust me, alot of people are going to get by hurt your choices and actions, probably even you.
Hi Bright Future,
Yes, I totally agree with you. Right now, I am not an honourable man. No one would be more ready to accept that than myself. I also agree that I created this burden.
I always thought I was an honourable man and did everything honourable. In my books, I will be the first to admit, what I am doing is not right. It’s so easy for you all to just say “do the right thing”. Don’t you think I know what the right thing is? I do like everyone else. And I also know that I will get there. All I am saying is that it’s very hard to let go. I am very fond of her. It hurts to know that I cannot have her be mine. Just that.
It’s a cruel world, I know. I am sure a lot of you who tell me these glorious words of righteousness, knew exactly what needed to be done, but like i say over and over, saying something and doing it are two completel different ball games.
I know what I have to do. I just need to find an outlet for the pain and the process of me getting over my girl. That’s reason I am here to seek some support through the process, not to justify my actions. This fondness of of my girlfriend makes me weak…… I need to seek a way to be strong again.
Thanks everyone. Just listenting to you and your rationales is so helpful. Please be patient with me :(
This is a tough group because this blog is about doing the right thing.
And we’ve all done the tough stuff, not just you. Most people here are wrestling with being alone or being left and some watch their ex go off with someone else. You have two people and you are mistreating your wife. Doing the most hurtful thing to her. So you’re welcome here but you need to understand that this blog demands alot from people who come here. that is if you want to get better.
The people here will help you and be there but you have to get real and understand there is not a lot of tolerance for sneaking and lying people.
Gordon,
I understand. Thanks. I appreciate your honesty and support, and the important need to be a good person to get anywhere. I request again, please be patient with me. I know what wrong I am doing to my wife (and family) and that this cannot continue.
I am sure you have done tough stuff, and that is what I want to learn from you all. How to be tough and do the right thing. How to make the letting go a little easier…..and possible.
That’s all. Thanks !
Manin,
I am very sorry if I offended you with my words. Actually I am not. I can tell you first hand the pain that you are causing your wife because ,you see, I was the wife that was cheated on.
My children were the ones that ended up growing up in a broken home because of my husbands utterly selfish actions.
And yes ultimately my husband paid a very high price for his actions and came around seeking forgiveness five years later for “ruining our lives” (his terms)
I agree with Gordon, if you are truly seeking help, pull up a chair and stay awhile. The advise given here is very sound.
But if your desire is for us to jump on your pity parade and tell you it’s ok to betray your wife, probably not gonna happen.
A vast majority of us were treated exactly the way you are treating your wife.
Bright Future,
I knew there would be women like you here who would have been cheatde on by their husbands, and hence it did take a lot of courage to jump into the “lion’s den”. I did though which is evidence enough that I want to do the right thing. I, of course, do not want pity from you all or get on the pity parade as you coin it. Far from that. I want friends to help me get through this.
You think I like the situation I am in. I am truly truly sorry I fell for another woman. She is also filled with guilt that she is having an affair with me and ends this affair all the time, but when we meet, the attraction just takes over I guess, and we land up in bed. We both do not want this, but want each other????
But, enough about her. I need to think about my wife more. She is understanding personified and the best mother I could ever ask for. know what I have to lose if this got out and I am not willing to let that happen.
So, let me just be with you all and listen to your pains, and learn from your goodness, to become a better man and a more honourable man.
Thanks all !
Manin,
I said it before and I’ll say it again. If your true intent is to find healing then you are in the right place. There is an awful lot of wisdom on this blog and you are in the presence of some truly remarkable people.
I am in awe of them most of the time and have learned a great deal.
I really am not trying to beat you up and do agree it took courage to put your story out there knowing full well a public flogging would likely occur, but please understand that I can never ever condone cheating.
I truly hope that you find the answers and thus the peace that you are seeking.
You make the decision to fall into bed. It does not just happen. First of all you need to take responsiblilty for the decsions you’ve made and continue to make. Nothing “just happens.”
Plus, doing the ‘right’ thing is not the same as doing the ‘easy’ (or ‘easier’ thing). It is just as hurtful for you to stay with your wife if you do not really wish to, if all you are trying to do is to avoid all the hassle that comes with breaking up a family, as it would be to leave her for this other girl. If you and this other girl love each other, then you should choose the girl. In fact, even if you don’t love this other girl, if you don’t love your wife, you should leave. And leave both of them alone. And be alone yourself for a while and work on you. Why? Well, your wife deserves a man who IS in love with her. It’s just my opinion, but if you are constantly jumping into bed with someone else you do NOT love your wife. Not in the true love-is-an-action meaning of the word. End of. You need to do the RIGHT thing, and that firstly means figuring out what it is you really, honestly feel and why etc., then being brave and honourable and following the implications through to the end. I know these things are not easy, everyone here knows. No matter what way you go you will feel pain and cause pain. That is just the way it is and is as a result of your own behaviour. You’re in the right place – the people here are amazing and if you are genuine, they will support you to the hilt. Good luck
Manin,
Are you in therapy? You need to talk to someone who can help you identify the issues with your wife and workon them. Tell the GF you are done and stay away until you resolve the issues with your wife. If those issues can’t be resolved then move on. But don’t keep a foot in each bed.
Manin:
I can only say one thing stop being selfish and seperate from your wife and try to get your head on straight. It really sounds to me that you are scared not of loosing your wife but from your girlfriends attitude your not sure if she really will be there for you if you leave your wife and as the saying goes you are “trying to have your cake and eat it to”. The right thing to do seeing you seem more obsessed with the girlfriend then the wife is to leave the wife and give her a chance for a life with a loving man wether it be you or someone else. You are really short changing all of you involved.
I am speaking from experience because my ex-husband did the exact same thing to me, he loved me but also thought he loved the “other women” I forced him into a seperation and told him to take the time to think and decide once and for all what he wanted and what did he do he left only to keep crying to come back even with all the hickys all over his neck he would sit across from me telling it was me he wanted! Needless to say he’s long gone but has always said how much he regretted loosing me and his kids.
Why don’t you take this energy you are putting into pinning for this girlfriend and start trying to see if your marriage can be restored make dates, do loving things, make love and most of aLL put all this energy 100% into your wife. If you cannot find it in yourself to do this then please please leave your wife and let her find a good honest man. Be honest with yourself right now you are spending more energy into your ellicit affair then you are at home.
I hope you find it in your heart to do the right thing for all involved.
I feel totally humbled. I love you all for being honest with me. I just hope I can live up to your expectations and my own.
I know that I LOVE MY WIFE!! She has been with me for 20 years. We got married very early. We virtually grew up together. We have had no problems. She is perfect in every sense. She is beautiful and loves me for who I am. (Well, she does not fuly know who I am I guess.) This I will not compromise. I cannot. I will be lost without her.
At the same time, this girlfriend of mine has taken over my mind. She seems caring and wants to end our affair because she feels morally conflicted. I am really fond of her. How can I just let her go. Even just the thought of that hurts. I know she also needs to have her personal life (with a partner she does not need to hide) and I should not string her along.
Yes, yes, all things are so clear in my mind. But, just getting up and doing what is right is so hard. Trying to forget her is so difficult. What do I do? I know you all will shout in unison “Do the right thing. Leave her.”
I feel blessed that I found this blog. I will sit back and listen to you all and see where I can draw my strength from. Please bear with me. I am in a terrible state….. totally conflicted, confused, in pain…..
I’m in the thick of it right now. It’s been a few days now and I just don’t know what to do with myself now that I’m not with him. And he was not good for me at all. Never was. I tried to stay and help him and change him, big mistake. Now I am alone with our two little ones and I don’t know how I am gonna get through this when I am gonna have to see him because of the kids! What do I do?
Del:
First, take a deep breath and congratulate yourself for taking some really good steps – realizing that you CAN’T change him, it is NOT your job, and making the decision to reach out for help – way to go!!!
I don’t have personal experience with having to stay in contact with an ex because of children, but Susan has at least one post that suggests how to do it with dignity and self-respect. To read that post use this link: http://gettingpastyourpast.wordpress.com/2006/12/09/more-after-the-breakup/
In the meantime, I am sure there are many people on the forum that can also give you some guidance on how to move forward with communication with your children’s father.
And you are right. You are smack dab in the middle of it right now. So try to remember to be gentle with yourself. Turbulent times are ahead, but if you are good to yourself by doing your grief work – get support (therapy, surround yourself with healthy friends and family, and any other in person support you need), journal, do affirmation work, complete Susan’s relationship and life inventories, and remember to celebrate every step you make on your healing journey – you will discover there is a far better life waiting for you and your children.
Lots of hugs,
SmilingAngel
P.S. These posts you may find helpful right now too – in addition to many others – happy surfing!
Children and Breakups Redux:
http://gettingpastyourpast.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/children-and-breakups-redux/
The Post-Breakup No-No List:
http://gettingpastyourpast.wordpress.com/2007/06/26/the-post-breakup-no-no-list/
I have a feel good song for anyone working on getting over a bad relationship. Go to You Tube and sing along with, The Cyrkles” as they perform, RED RUBBER BALL. It’s such a feel better song. I believe that music heals the heart and the mind. Enjoy!
Susan and Everyone,
This site really was my biggest support these days. When I have no else to turn to from my agony (my best friend and biggest support is getting married this Saturday), I go online and read everyone’s post, and it always encourage me and pick me right back up.
Last September 1st, after 5 months of “on again-off again every couple of week scenario” with my more than 2-years boyfriend, we broke up. It was a beautiful day.. I asked him to come to my house with his dogs, we made lunch together (pizza from scratch, which turned out uncooked so went to eat Brazilian Buffet anyway), we had wine, took a nap together and then went for a walk by the river with his dogs. I know this day is coming, what with the constant on/off the past months, but I tried to hold on to it, since I love him, and I though we have something really good. I do not claim to be the perfect girlfriend, but I was loving, encouraging, patient and supportive to him.
When we first met, he just got out of a 4 year relationship of abuse, betrayal and lies. Yup, baby-mama drama full-blown! He met a woman from online, was with her for a month of non-committal relationship, when he noticed that all her things were already moved in to his apartment. It turned out, the woman was kicked out of her apartment by her roommate due to non-payment of rent. When he asked her to move out, she told him that she’s pregnant, but she wasn’t. She got pregnant 5 months after. They had a beautiful son (whom I love), and they had a classic 4 years codependent relationship. Four years after, he was desperate to kick her out, so he had an affair with a random girl while visiting New York on a business trip, she learned about it, and it was just ugly when she finally got out of his house, with his son that he loves so much in tow, without custody arrangement. The mother of the child was still in love with him, and she really used her son to get money, push him, pull him and manipulate his life.
I came in that picture 2 months after. I used to see him curl like a ball because of hopelessness. He doesn’t have a good relationship with his parents and family ( he cut them off after he got with his son’s mother, they do not like her, etc.), he doesn’t have any friends (he cut them off because again, according to him, she doesn’t like him hanging out with the them). He was a mess, his house was a mess (I’ve never seen such a messy house in my life, no exaggeration), his life was a mess. I should have ran the other direction right there and then, yet I did not. I told myself that I can actually make a difference in his life. From day one, after the “ex” learned about me, she already hated me. She constantly calls my office to say stuff about me to whoever would pick up the phone, she called my supervisor a couple of times, she calls me constantly to curse me, leave nasty messages, write ugly things about me in her myspace—the whole 9 yards. But I did stick around (yeah, I was dating the guy, but it seem more like I contemplating adoption, ha ha!)
I know he tried his best, too, and it was not too bad since I actually was happy when I was with him. He have anger issues, and when he is angry and frustrated with his “ex” or life in general, I was the easiest target for it. But he has his good points, and when he is not doing his “anger stints”, he is okay. I helped him straighten his life — he got his custody arrangement, he started going out with some guys from work, I help him do his chores and most importantly, he have a relationship with his parents and family again. I thought we were doing good –he asked me marry him couple of times (without a ring, and funny thing is , he took back the proposal 2 weeks after, each time. I didn’t even know that is possible), we appear to be happy together, his family love me, we planned for the future, yada-yada.
Then early this year, he started asking for more time for himself, a day a week became two days, then three, then the on again off again every 2 weeks started. He told me that it wouldn’t work, that we are two different people — he is an atheist, and I am a devout Catholic. He never wants to have kids again, and I want to have kids. He started telling me I deserve something better than him. He started asking me constantly why I love him everytime I say “I love you”. He always has reasons why, but he never really wants to talk about them. The last reason he gave me this Labor Day is that he wants his social life back, social life he had 6 years ago–to have friends again, both male and female, and he doesn’t want me to be in the picture when he does that. He said I have to move on with my life. So said okay to that, as much as it hurts me.
I went NC for a week, then I got a text from him that his son wants to talk to me. That’s something he didn’t foresee, that his son have a relationship with me. I told him to let him call me, and he did. His son wants to see me, and that broke my heart. I told him that wasn’t fair, and he said he was sorry. I promised the child that I will hang out with him the following Saturday (that was this past Saturday) for a kid’s fest, which we did, and we all had fun. He asked me to stay after he dropped off his son, and I helped him with house chores (what a doormat I am, huh), and well, found out that he bought some wine and his refrigerator was full of beer. He said that he is single, he is getting ready to entertain. That was hurtful, but he said later that he was just joking (he never do anything like that, that is so random, and he is too cheap to stack-up on wine anyway). Well, we did talk again last Monday since someone parked his car in his driveway when he got home. Oh, he have more than a dozen of break-ins/thefts since I’ve known him, and a couple more before that, so he was really was paranoid about things like this. He also asked me to stay with his son on the 27th while he does a meet-up with friends and to drive him and take care of him after his oral surgery sometime in October. Well, I am tired of this yoyo, and how he thinks I can have a friendship with him, so I sent him an email yesterday saying that I want him to stop contacting me so I can move on, and heal my wounds. I emailed her sisters and mom too, and they are supportive and understanding, they told me that their door is always open when I am ready to have them back in my life, but they think that this is the best thing to do. He emailed me today, he said he was sorry about everything, and that as a last favor, he wants to make sure I mail his dad’s birthday card that he gave me last Saturday (unbelievable, right?). I didn’t email back, thought I already mailed the card last Monday.
I love him so much, and I could have continues to be in relationship, had he not dumped me. I loss him, I have to redo my plans for the future, I loss his son, my friendship with his mom and sisters, and I am still wondering what in the world I did wrong. But I know for a fact that yesterday was the beginning of my healing, when I finally told him to stop contacting me. I haven’t cried yet today, which is a breakthrough, these at this time these past few days, I would have burst out 3 or 4 times already.
Oh, I am 33, and he is turning 33 this Friday, so we are not really that young to be indecisive anymore.
That’s my story–It’s not unique, it’s almost like every other story here. I am in pain, I am grieving my loss, but I refuse to be a doormat anymore, even if I love this guy so much.
Ugh, Manin. I’m not sure why you are here, but each of your posts strike a resounding note of self-pity. I have been a cheater and been cheated on (I cheated on my bf in high school, but I think it still counts). YOU, and only YOU are responsible for your actions. That is what this whole blog is about – not blaming others for the choices you make. Taking ownership for your life.
i have recently split up with my ex about 3 weeks ago.im 22 and hes 23, We were together over 2 years. we were such a strong couple who didnt have any huge arguments. i am 14 weeks pregnant with his baby and this all happened out of the blue. we decided together to keep the baby but weeks later he changed his mind and finished with me. in the weeks before he changed his mind there were no signs of doubts at all. we were planning to live together, picking baby stuff and baby names. he imagined me and the baby meeting him for lunch. week before this happened he was telling me how excited he was and that id always belong him and he’d always belong to me.
i havent been able to get over the pain of it maybe due to my hormones. since the break up i have only spoken to him twice. first he rang me at 3 in the morning asking me if he woke me up but then saying he rang the wrong person even though i had a miss call from him mintues before. then a week later when i texted him asking why he called me. again he said it was a mistake but i refused to believe that and got a message back saying ‘i dont know what you want from me’. i havent heard anything since and im not sure if thats good or bad. everyone says to me give it time and he’ll realise what hes done and come running back.
i cry everyday and sometimes its unbearable but i cant help if thats becuase i love him so much or that i miss the relationship that we had. i would love for him to change his mind so we can raise this baby together but right now i dont see this happening.
i dont feel right now that im ready to move on and let go of him. i dont feel like we are over.
when will i know that im starting to heal and that im ready for a new relationship? right now i cant see himself getting over him. we always said we would be together no matter what.
I have had the worst time of my life recently. It’s such a long story so I’m sorry if this is long but it’s my last resort.
I was going out with an Irish guy for a year and a half. He had never had a girlfriend before even though he is 27, although he had had very strong feelings for a “friend” from back home when he was about 21. They have remained in contact and see each other whenever he is home/at holidays etc. He swore to me throughout our relationship that I was the only one for him those feelings were in the past and I used to question him about her and he said if she came onto him he would refuse her and that he loved me.
However, last weekend we went to Marbella where he had a wedding to go to. I wasnt invited. I asked him not to go as I knew she would be there but he wanted to and claimed he wanted to see old friends etc and it was rude to refuse a wedding.
We spent a lovely day together Saturday sightseeing, very romantic he was moaning about having to go said he wishes it was the two of us and no wedding.
However the next day he went to the wedding stayed out till 5am and I was very angry with him for ruining two days of our break and webroke up. We have had a volatile relationship but I never doubted he loved me or that he would cheat on me. On returning to England, I missed him and texted etc, he replied and said he was a wreck, missed me, couldnt eat or sleep etc. Then on Thursday night he posted a letter through my door teling me he’d kissed her at the wedding. I couldn’t believe it and couldnt stop trempbling. I rang him and he came round. I should have known he didnt mean it but he said he had been confused but he knew he loved me and that he wanted me but she stirred up old feelings. We made up, travelled to work together and he swore he’d cut her off he loved me and that we were to go to the cinema yesterday evening. He then texted me at 6pm and said that he couldnt cut her off. I rang him and he said he was confused he has feelings for both of us and couldnt cut her off. So he effectively cut me off. I couldnt even see straight I crossed roads without looking and came home to my mum. I havent been able to eat since and just want to die. Anyone else had similar experiences and got through it?
Hi. I am a mess. I am currently sifting through the pieces of a two year relationship in which a 6 year old child is involved. I am still living with my ex, which I know is not the best of situations. She wants me to move out but stay in the same area because of the child. I shouldn’t neglect to say that I have an incredible attachment to the kid, and she to me. I flat out love her intensely. I want to continue to cultivate a relationship with her but I feel that I need more than a couple blocks’ space to get over my ex (we live in a really small town). I have proposed that I be present via letters and e-mail and webcam and visits and I honestly feel that I can be a positive presence in the child’s life, albeit from a distance. The child’s biological father is very much in the picture so I don’t think that she will be lacking a father figure, and I feel my role is more as a lifelong friend than a father. My ex thinks that I am coward and that I am just running away from dealing with my emotions, but I feel that that is exactly what I am creating a safe space to do. I feel that I can’t get over the break-up if her presence is a constant fixture. I am trying hard not to want her back but I am failing miserably. I previously conceded to staying in town but just because I imagined that we would patch things up. Now I know for certain that we won’t, that we can’t… We never had a particularly wholesome relationship and the only thing worst than me getting away from her is for us to get back together.
Please advice. Please.
Tommy,
I’m very sorry about your break up. Never easy, always painful…
As a mother of two, I can share a bit of what I have experienced and how I’ve worked with my children when my relationship came to an end.
One night,soon after my break up, my 5 yo son said to me as I put him to bed: ” Mom, I’m tired of missing (the ex), when are we going to see him again?”
I was so broken at that point, my mouth uttered the stupidest thing ever: ‘ Because he doesn’t want to be with us!”. Of course, my son began to cry, he kept asking why. I felt terrible and realized it was time for me to talk to my children and that it was my job to reassure them that people come and go in life, that it is painful…but most importantly it was my job to reassure them it was not their fault, not mine either, and that even though if he was no longer around there would always be memories and lessons to be treasured.
The next day, ice cream in hand, I asked how they felt about not having the ex around anymore, I started by telling them I felt sad and that I missed him, that my late crying was related to the loss…and they quickly opened to me. After a few minutes, I gathered that what made them most sad was not been able to say good bye,and so my daughter decided she wanted to make a farewell card. She drew this beautiful heart, with a boy and a girl smiling at a tall man (the ex), she wished him a good day, said she missed him, but that she understood it was time to part ways. I was moved to see my son signing the note as well, and afterwards we walked – holding hands – to the mailbox and left it there.
Soon, I got a call from the ex, he had received the card and wanted to know when could he see the kids again. I told him that unfortunately he had given them up the moment he have up on me. However, I also told him that whenever our paths crossed – if they did – he shouldn’t hesitate to say hi, hug, or kiss the kids…or if he chose not to, that was ok too.
I’ve chosen to cut contact because it isn’t healthy. My kids have a wonderful father who is htere for them and so they are not missing out on anything. When the right man comes along, he’ll be able to enjoy the love and respect he’ll deserve as my partner, as a role model, as part of their life. But, honestly, my take is that you have no obligation to be around your ex’s kid, it may be worth writing him a letter good bye, to reassure him you care, but the time has come to part ways :)
Dulce:
Wow! Once again, BRAVO!
I am so happy for YOU and touched by the incredibly loving ways you are treating yourself and your children – between you being honest with your children to setting clear boundaries with your ex based on what is good for you guys, not him.
You certainly are an inspiring soul :)
Hugs,
SmilingAngel
SmilingAngel,
So good to see you are here? How are you doing? How is the Swing going?
I’m definitely feeling better and still can’t believe that a month ago I couldn’t picture reaching this peace…couldn’t picture deserving this peace.
I’m here today because you pointed me into the right direction the moment you asked me to allow myself to embrace my feelings, to not run or hide from them. That was the “aha!” moment and , SmilingAngel, I’m very grateful for your words.
Dulce:
It is so good to be here, and thank you for asking about me :)
I’m doing – well fantastic! The last month has really been an endless flow of healing growth.
Swing dance is going fabulously and I have also joined a Salsa dance team this past week! I’m working on a plan with my life coach to start slowly getting into a second career – will start out part time first and see where it takes me – though my hunch is that it will be very good for me physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually.
I even had somethings I needed to become honest with myself about around my own finances. So instead of doing what I always do – give a little effort and thought to it, just enough to temporarily fix it and then go back into avoidance-mode, I actually took control of situation.
Despite my fear and feeling “icky” and like a failure about this, I put together a complete picture of my financial “health”, identified areas that needed my attention, and put an actionable plan in place to starting living in integrity in this area of my life. And I can’t tell you HOW GOOD IT FEELS having done this.
It no longer feels like a dead end just out there waiting for me. Instead, it feels manageable – which by the way it always has been, the difference now being that I’m not judging myself for how I behaved in the past – simply amazing to me…
I’m also finding that as I do this, I’m wanting to put attention into other areas where I am living out of integrity too – like my home. My inner world has been so chaotic for so long and my outer world has always reflected that – tons of clutter, holding on to things I most likely will never use again, laundry piling up, bed is never made, etc.
And now to my complete and utter surprise, I find myself wanting to clean it up. Again, not because it represents what a mess and failure I am, but simply because it is just “stuff” and it can be cleaned up today – AND it doesn’t have to be done all in one day. Just like my inner work of healing takes time, so will this “clean up” and that amazingly enough is okay?!
I am also LOVING my alone time! Last weekend I spent most of the weekend with just me and my cats – relaxing and enjoying myself – doing a little cleaning here and there, visiting briefly with my family, taking myself to a movie – and I can’t tell you how re-energized I felt come Sunday night.
This coming weekend I have planned the same thing. I have no plans tonight but to rest. Then tomorrow I’ve got some errands to run, but later will meet up with my friends for a great meal and a trip to a haunted amusement park. Sunday will be a family visit and dancing after dinner. And then Monday I have a holiday so I’ve already happily dedicated most of the day to getting my laundry done while crocheting a blanket for a friend as a holiday gift.
So I guess the shorter way to answer your post is that today “My Cup Runneth Over”. I have so many wonderful things in my life – including the connections I’ve made with so many of people on this blog – yourself included :) – I am just so humbled and grateful for all that I have today and so appreciative of those who have supported me along the way…
I had caught a glimpse of this kind of happiness and peace when I was in the dark. I saw that other people had it. And even though there were times I NEVER believed I would ever get here, I’m so grateful that I just kept putting one foot in front of the other despite how I felt at the time…
All I can say to those of you out there wondering if this is real, doubting that it could ever be real for you, I assure you that if you truly do your work and love yourself, you will get here too – and my friends it is such an amazing place to be which is destined to only get even better as Susan so lovingly points out to us every day…
Many hugs and angel blessings to us all,
SmilingAngel
SmilingAngel,
I feel like I’m gushing here, but once again, I find your post delightful, wonderful and inspiring to read. You are an amazing example to the people on this site.
I had an “aha” moment of my own today and I feel like I can see all the doors opening down my hallway. It’s impressive and I feel more at peace, already!
I wish you all the best — you absolutely deserve it — and I’m so glad to hear you are being good to yourself and enjoying your alone time with your kitties.
-HJoy
HJoy:
Woo Hoo! “Aha” moments are awesome – congratulations!
Yes, the doors are definitely opening down your own hallway – and the great thing is that their opening is completely your own doing. It is the act of doing your work – getting support, journaling, affirming, feeling your feelings, not judging who or where you are in the healing process, and celebrating you – which is the key … it is simply amazing :)
Thank you for your well wishes. Please know that they are lovingly being returned to you ten-fold.
Many hugs,
SmilingAngel
Less than a year ago, I found out I was the other woman. The truth came looking for me and found me. For two years I knew nothing about him getting married and have a daughter. I was very angry when I found out. I don’t know if I was more angry with myself or with him. It seems as if I have been traumatized. Even now, when I think about it, tear just fall down my face. I know I have to and need to let go. He made a very clear his wife knows about me and that I need to move on. He is in this marriage for the sake of his daughter. I memorizes those lines in head everyday so I can let go. In addition, the other woman have little chance. Even if he does divorce her, I still have a little chance with him. The relationship was based upon lies and dishonesty.
Being the other woman is hard and very painful.
If you knew nothing about his marital status while you were involved with him then you have a right to be upset. But not otherwise. He will find a replacement for his wife and you eventually. Believe that, this type of man is faithless even to his child.
Blessing in disguise:
I have just recently found out that my husband was having an affair for the past 8 months b/f he asked me for a divorce at the end of July ‘08.
He swore on his daughter’s life that it had nothing to do with meeting someone else. The previous month we spoke of doing IVF (we had been trying to ttc for the past three years) and where we would retire eventually.
The divorce was a shock since our relationship seemed to stabilize to a better state than b/f: he was at the beginning of the marriage a functioning alcoholic on the verge of full blown alchoholism, he was violent and verbally abusive, later as our daughter got older he stopped the punching, shoving, throwing b/c as an attorney I realized that he didn’t want a witness. He would simply become verbally abusive the evening after drinking and hung-over. I could take it for the sake of the family unit, I really convinced myself.
Each time I tried to leave he would cry and beg and apologize for his actions. I stupidly stayed for the family.
I discovered now that he had planned to divorce for the past year, b/c he is quitting his job as an attorney to return to school for his MBA and as he claims I can’t ask for alimony since he only has student debt at this point in his life. And he insists that since I was a stay-at-home wife, I didn’t earn any of the money, he did so, I have no right to that money.
He secretly drained all our joint accounts of large amounts of money and told his solicitor that he has virtually nothing to live off of.
I know this to be a lie (irrefutable proof too numerous to list here—the post is already long!). He has been living the high life with his new lover and spending quite a lot of money. All this but no child support money to pay for our daughter’s health insurance. I have just relocated to the States again (we were on the NHS like most people in th UK so no need for insurance)and have not been able to find a job yet (it’s been 6 weeks) so I have no health benefits to offer her.
I placed both of us on the state medicaid health care system, I have no funds, we walked away with nothing b/c the last day my daughter and I saw him he was hauled away by 5 constables for assaulting me and trying to take our 6 yr. old daughter away against both hers and my wishes.
Of course his new gf doesn’t know anything about the arrest.
But still she went after him 8 months ago knowing full well he had a wife and daughter b/c he looked so enticing: Harvard Law and now he is a London Business school MBA student. I’m sure she thinks he is quite a catch—quite frankly she has a lot in store for her as I have found out myself these past seven years of hell.
Functioning alcoholic, narcissists are poison.
I do take responsibility for my actions:
I was a codependent enabler, but no more, I AM FREE!
Thank you for being so understanding. It was never my intention to hurt anyone including his wife. I found myself in this situation.
the other woman,
It is all *his* stuff if you didn’t know what was going on. He was the cheater. This sounds like a very difficult thing to find out. One thing that should help you get past this and move on to much better partners is reading more of this blog. Think of your mistake as a blessing in disguise- it allows you to not date the next bananahead liar that comes along and instead date up to a true person.
It’s been almost 10 months. 10 Months of hurt and pain and loss. 10 months of slowly putting the pieces of me together again. What made it worse was that the breakup came at the same time when I had to leave my job due to the machinations of someone who was not a good person, and I am still looking for employment – that feeling of total rejection.
I felt I had been making strides in my recovery over the weeks and months, then all of a sudden, I got hit by a wave of sadness and missing him. All that hard won recovery seemed to be brought to nought – the frustration I felt.
Thanks to this blog, I realised that the set back was not due to him being ‘the right one’ and that I lost the ‘right one’ ( he had a mean & selfish streak, but I keep romanticising the time we had together ), but because I have such deep seated issues with rejection and abandonment from my childhood; and in essence ‘transferred’ emotions. So that my rejection issues sort of got mixed up with feelings for him… the human heart and mind is so complex, and sometimes feelings are not what they seem.
This blog also highlighted and helped me understand that I did not grieve for this loss and a few other devastating experiences in the past, I just stuffed them down and was brave and strong for the world to see. That unreleased grief and other unresolved loss issues then reared their heads up on this latest life experience I just had; hitting me with tsunami force, resulting in deep feelings of pain and suicide.
You all, with your honest and painful sharing, your insights, have soo helped me in just 24 hours, stem that slide down. Thank you all, and God bless you.
I wish I could somehow miraculously wave a wand and bring happiness and remove the pain for us all, so that we can all feel that equanimity and deep joy that Smiling Angel spoke of in another blog.
I know that life is about growing, through experiences but who decreed that it had to be accompanied with pain?
Glad you are here Carolyne.. I think that pain is a great motivator and without it people tend to stay in a rut. I know it sucks but that seems to be how it is. The road is hard but love softens it. Welcome to a loving place!
Carolyne:
That “equanimity and deep joy” that you spoke of, it IS yours for the experiencing, in fact it truly ALREADY does exist within YOU!
And as you continue to do your work – get support, journal, affirm, let YOU and where you are in the healing process be okay, and celebrate who you ARE and all the steps you take every day – you will find that the pain and confusion that is currently blocking you from your knowingness of this “equanimity and deep joy” will slowly lift, allowing you to once again to reconnect to it and your own loving magnificence :)
Many hugs,
SmilingAngel
I thank you everyone for their advices and supports. With everyone’s comfort, I don’t feel so cheated and use. At least now I know not to be so naive and so trustworthy.
Can someone please help me….I had my heart broken a few months ago by a guy, and I am still having trouble getting over it. I have had it broken before and managed to get through it so I know I can again, but for some reason this time, I am stalled in the process. I know I SHOULD be getting past this by now but I’m not doing that well. I am not a very strong person when it comes to this type of stuff.
I have tried doing all of the proper things, including counseling, which didn’t really help at the time so I stopped. Maybe I need to go back, but thought maybe trying to find online help instead would be a good idea. I have to say, these blogs have been helpful – thank you. But at the same time, the pain has not lessened at all, and it’s affecting my life. I use to be a positive person who could experience joy in the smallest of things, but now I cannot seem to find joy anywhere…the future seems like a dark cloud even though my logical side says it doesn’t nor shouldn’t have to be.
I initiated the NC rule a few months ago cuz I knew I could not handle talking/emailing with him anymore knowing that he no longer felt the same about me that I did about him. The reasons it ended don’t matter now, that’s just the way things turned out. And just as I think I am getting better, I backslide, and the desire to communicate with him comes back so strongly. I did it once about a month after I initiated the NC rule, and just like the blog says, it provided very temporary relief, and then I was right back to where I started, feeling down again, even worse. I don’t want to do that again, but I am slipping. That is why I am adding my comment here – instead of emailing him. I keep thinking that if I can just hang on another day, and another day, that I’ll finally be able to truly let him go. I know in my head that I am better off without him, but my heart still isn’t quite there yet.
I don’t think it’s HIM that I am missing, just the closeness and connection that we shared. I also have anger that I never expressed to him, and to do so really isn’t going to solve anything, but I just want to express it somehow in order to get past it. I am trying to do physical activities to get some of the anger/anxiety out, and it works for a time, but then I am right back to where I started…going between longing for him, to being angry at him, to being lonely in general, and so forth.
Even when I distract myself with work or other things, I ultimately end up back in this revolving pattern. I want to email him right now…please stop me from doing it!
To Not Strong Enough,
Hang in there! Your feelings will change. Journaling is something that helps me to get my feelings out when I feel they are becoming too much. It’s also a good way to get the anger out of your system. You seem to feel that contacting your ex won’t make you feel better. What is it you are still trying to solve by doing so? Do you think you could ever be happy with him? Do you think you could convince him to love you? (Sorry to be so harsh but I’ve been there too and for me, this was part of it. I was always trying to win him. It would work but it wouldn’t last.) The person for you will realize your value. They will stick by you even when you’re difficult. That’s what a real relationship is all about.
So don’t do it! Don’t call him. Get busy with your own life and stuff. You may meet someone else who is really available for you.
Thank you Madrileno. I need to hear harsh words to jolt me into reality and make me move on. I didn’t contact him, and I hope that I can keep it up but it is hard at times when I am feeling lonely.
I just need to keep telling myself that no, I would never be happy with him so just forget him. Why do I torture myself thinking about him. I have to break out of this pattern and just let go…I honestly don’t know why I am having so much trouble, but I know I can get past this, I know I can.
Thank you, your words give me strength!
I’ve been frequenting this website over the last several weeks as my boyfriend of a year and a half have been going through a rough spot. Actually, the ‘rough’ has been over the past year and we’ve managed to go through the weekly roller coaster ride of fighting and making up for so long now it’s gotten routine. A few weeks ago, I decided not to put up with it any longer.
Back in July he went on a mission trip with his church. He has a swimming pool at his house so I asked for a key so that I could get some sun while he was gone. I was leaving to go out of town the weekend he was due to come home so I dug through his desk to find some paper and a pen to write him a welcome home note. Instead I found all sorts of dating websites and passwords. I hoped that these were old – we met online so I didn’t think it was strange that he had these – but my curiosity got the best of me. I logged in to several of the sites and learned that he had been chatting with hundreds of women before and during our entire relationship, even the day before he left on his trip. Not just your usual ‘how’s your day’ chat. But some very sexually explicit. Devastated doesn’t even begin to describe the feelings. Fortunately, my friend that I was going out of town with was there to pick me up off the floor and get me through the rest of the week. I printed out every single email I could find and left all of it on the kitchen table in his house. I packed up anything and everything I could find of my belongings and left.
When he returned home to all of this he immediately began a string of panicked phone calls. Telling me he loves me, how sorry and embarrassed he is, everything that you would hope someone would say in that situation. But his desperation soon turned to anger when he realized how much of his personal information I had gone through and how I had violated his privacy. The tables were then turned on me and I was made out to be the bad guy.
After several long conversations we decided to move forward and try to rebuild the trust between us. He was already seeing a therapist to try to come to terms with behaviors he learned from his parents, but he had failed to bring up this topic. And to this day I’m not sure he’s completely honest with his therapist. But based on what’s been discussed, they’ve now decided that I have issues that I, too, need to be examining. This from someone who’s been unfaithful to me throughout our relationship and his therapist who has never met me.
Anyway, this was four months ago and although he promised to discontinue this behavior, it hasn’t stopped. I don’t know about the online interaction – he swears that this has stopped. But I’ve now turned into one of those suspicious, untrusting, ‘psycho’ women who is determined to make sure I’m not wronged again. I could open up my own private investigation company as a second form of income. I have access to his phone bill online. You can probably figure out where this is going, but there are late-night/early morning phone calls to girls that he calls ‘friends’. I’ve confronted him several times with the same response – he’s trying as hard as he can to stop his behavior. His excuse is that he’s learned this from his Mom – she does the same to her husband – and he knows it’s not right. That’s why he is in therapy to stop all of this bad behavior because he knows he will never be able to sustain a healthy relationship the way he is now.
Skipping forward, he went to New Orleans a few weeks ago for business. Got a few text messages from him throughout the course of the night – obviously drinking more than his fair share. He called the next night very upset with himself and said that he had fallen in the street and severely scraped up his face. Basically so drunk that he didn’t even put his hands down to soften the blow – not a scratch on them. He was humiliated and very upset about what he had done. He told me that this is one more change that needs to be made – discontinuing the excessive alcohol consumption – and get a handle on this so that it doesn’t happen again. He makes bad decisions when he drinks too much and it gets him in trouble every time. We talked, I told him I’d support him in any way possible, and that was that. I just couldn’t kick the guy while he was already down.
Over the course of the week, however, I found out that the bar he fell out of was a strip joint on Bourbon Street. Not only had he been at this place, but he lost his credit card and someone had charged several hundred dollars before he even realized it was lost. He wasn’t dishonest about any of this – but he sure didn’t volunteer the truth.
Therefore, for the last few weeks I’ve kept my distance. I’ve received a few text messages here and there – telling me how much he loves me, misses me, and appreciates my patience while he’s desperately trying to work towards being the person he needs to be and the person I need him to be. But I’ve reached a point that I’m completely complacent about everything. I can honestly say over the last few weeks that there have been no tears shed, no desire to pick up the phone, and no desire to pretend that all of this is ok. It has felt good to deal with this without being a sobbing mess and really put serious thought into what I need.
Fast forward to last night. He called and wanted to talk about things since we haven’t spoken in several weeks. He’s had several sessions with his therapist and has really been talking to people in general to try to expedite his progress. He’s confident that we will be able to work this out and that he will be able to be the person I need him to be and the person he needs to be in order to positively contribute to this relationship. He wanted my committment as well, but I explained to him that I would only commit if he could promise that the emails, texts, 4am phone calls, etc will stop. Now. No exceptions. And he argued with me about it saying that I’m ridiculous to think that either one of us is not going to make mistakes.
This is the situation…he knows that he’s made a mistake and can’t believe that I would end this relationship based on this mistake. For the life of me, I just can’t see this behavior as a mistake! This is something that now, five and 20 years from now can completely destroy a relationship. Am I overreacting to this? Of course I make mistakes, but I would NEVER involve another man and call it a mistake. NEVER. In my mind, a mistake is a one-time screw up. You forget to take your kid to soccer practice, you forget to pay a bill. These are mistakes. In my mind, his inability to promise that all of these activities will cease indicates a behavior problem. He has now turned this around on me saying that both of us are going to make mistakes and that I’m not perfect either. Well no doubt! But I haven’t ever – not once in this relationship or in any other – had relationships on the side that would undermine any committment to this relationship. Ever! I just can’t see this as a mistake. And I’ve told him that I will not commit to this relationship any longer until he can do the same.
We ended the conversation last night pretty heated. He is so upset and hurt that I won’t stay in the relationship and be patient while he works through these things. And I need a committment that these activities have ceased completely before committing to it. What a cyclical mess!
And now, after feeling so strong after the last few weeks. So happy being on my own, spending time with my friends and family, doing the things that I enjoy doing, I’m officially a mess. I didn’t want to end any of this on an angry note. I’m holding on to the possibility that if I give him the time to work on himself without me nagging, and if I take the time to get myself back to normal and get over my anger, that we can move forward and have a happy, healthy relationship. But today, he’s angry. He’s already made it clear that he will find someone else to attend his Christmas party and any other events that we had planned to do together. And after offering to drop his things off at his house – preferably when he’s not there – he’s declined saying that he wants no contact with me and everything mailed. I am just devastated today that this person who has been in my life for this long is someone I will never see or hear from again. We have so many things in common, so many things to look forward to and so many plans already made that are now wiped off of the map. So sad.
I guess, as annoyed as I was, I was relying on that occasionaly phone call and text message to continue some sort of contact with him. Now, it’s over. I know this is normal, I know everyone on this website had experienced this, I know it will get better, and although it’s hard to muster up at the moment, I know that this is the right thing. I can’t continue in a relationship always wondering what is going on behind my back. I’ve tried, been patient, forgiven, and I have reached my limit. I guess my rose colored glasses view of ending this without anger is not possible.
So, thank you for listening. Any advice is appreciated. I pray for all of your during this time as I know how devastating it is to lose someone you love – regardless of the circumstances. As my mom eloquently put it – “It’s like someone cut your legs off and you have to re-learn how to walk.” Fortunately for all of us, our legs grow back!
In Limbo:
I’m sorry this has been your experience. Unfortunately though in my experience this is typical of the alcoholics I’ve been involved with (I’m NOT saying ALL alcoholics are like this – again just the ones I’ve been in relationships with).
And though I’d like to write more to you. but right this minute time is tight so please just know the following:
1) You are not alone – there is a whole community of wonderfully supportive people here just waiting to welcome you,
2) If you choose to, this – with time and healing work – will not only get better for you, but will be the catalyst for you creating a life more amazing than the one you ever could have imagined with the bananahead, and
3) If he wants his stuff back via mail, no problem. Send it all Collect on Delivery (COD) – e.g. have him pay for the postage at the time of delivery. Good riddance to bad rubbish…
You can do this! You DO DESERVE far better than what you’ve been accepting from him!
Many hugs,
SmilingAngel
Limbo,
Wow, I’m sorry you have to deal with this junk. I’m with Miss SmilingAngel, you are not alone. Keep coming here and post your thoughts. We all have a story to tell, Lord knows I have mine. Something struck deep inside me when you stated “Fortunately, my friend that I was going out of town with was there to pick me up off the floor and get me through the rest of the week.” That touches me because I’ve known exactly how that feels. It HURTS. Just know I’ll be thinking and praying hard for you.
Take care of yourself please.
Tony
Limbo,
Your definition of mistake is logical, his is ludicrous. He’s shown you time and again that he is not sincere about changing or doesn’t have the ability to change. Further contact with this liar and cheater would lead to you looking and feeling crazier and crazier–and angrier and angrier. It’s normal and healthy to feel angry in response to what he’s done. Some relationships don’t end “neatly” or with all the niceties of a Hollywood movie. Feel your emotions, whatever they are, and allow them to guide you through healing from this relationship. Be thankful that you are healthy enough to feel angry when someone treats you very badly. Then journal and turn to safe and healthy people to work through the feelings underneath the anger, like the hurt and sadness. Use the anger to move away from him, and the sadness to move toward you and your healing. You can do this!
Hi, first posting here, this blog has been very helpful as I go through a very traumatic breakup, so thank you. I had logged out of facebook for a couple of months and wanted to reconnect with friends, my mistake. My ex had posted some pics, one with another man, and I just fell apart. Have since deleted her.
I broke the rule of no contact and it bit me. My breakup is still vague for me, and I’ve reached out to her for some clarification, in a very sincere and respectful letter, but to no avail. My mistake again. It’s been 6 weeks and the pain is as real and there as ever. I’ve been following the blog advice and “fake it till i make it” but each day doesn’t seem to be any brighter than the last.
Am seeing a good therapist and she is working with me on this. Time is cruel sometimes. My rational mind tells me it will be better, but my emotional side just aches. I know you all feel this as well.
Am working on myself and my own issues but just feel stuck in this grief. I love her still. I wish I didn’t. I want what I can’t have.
Jake, I am where you are right now word for word…
I can’t even log into facebook to delete him because I am terrified of seeing pics of him with another woman as it will kill me even though I know it’s only a matter of time before he’s with someone else, if not already.
I miss him so much and want to break the no contact rule every day to tell him so. My emotional side is winning over my rational side at the moment. I don’t know how to get past this. I wish could forget him.
I know your pain. I wish you the best at getting over it. Me too, and everyone on here.
Thank you “not strong enough” (but you are). I can give advice but I can’t follow it, strange. Best to you as well in getting through this. Maybe you should open a new Facebook account and reinvite only your friends, that would save the seeing his posts, if there are any. Trust me, it’s not something that was a healthy or progressive thing for me to do. Best, J.
Jake,
Let me first say this: what you’re feeling is normal. As bad as it hurts, it’s part of the process. I know right now that words are only worth so much. I also know you have trouble sleeping, eating like you should, concentrating, being alone and have bouts of anger, fear and pain. The nights are the hardest and the weekends are torment. Your mind wonders all the time and you can’t stop thinking of her and what she must be doing now with the new person. Everywhere you go you look for her, you maybe even dream of her and you can’t see past the pain right now. Life hurts bad right now and you just want it to stop. I know full well how you feel, I’m just 4 months out of my breakup and it’s still painful but there are things to alleviate the pain. Stay busy (but also find quiet time to reflect/meditate), get out of the house, force yourself to eat right, be with good friends and family, call on them when you feel alone and whatever you do; don’t rely on drugs or alcohol to help you cope. I did that and it slowed the recovery down, it’s a quick numb is all. The next day the pain returns and now you’re hungover to add to it.
Keep us posted on how your doing and I’ll be thinking/praying for you my brother. Start journalling as soon as possible, do the inventories on here (to the right), do positive self affirmations and keep pouring/feeling your emotions out. YOU CAN DO THIS, I DON’T KNOW YOU PERSONALLY BUT I HAVE FAITH IN YOU.
Thank you Tony, that is very thoughtful and kind of you. I appreciate the advice and will do my best to follow it. Alcohol and drugs are something I don’t do so, as I know that is not the answer at all.
Best to you as well as you work through this. You sound like you are doing all of the right things.
The emptiness and grief I feel are very much helped by the postings here. Thank you,
J
Not strong enough:
Two quick things…
1) I believe whole-heartedly that the way we talk to ourselves – in our own mind and what we say out loud – plays a huge role in the life we create for ourselves. That said, I urge you to reconsider using a different screen name because as long as you believe you are “Not strong enough”, you won’t be.
Instead, please find a way to embrace your strength – because being here is evidence of it – and come up with a screen name that is more in line with who you truly are at your core, the YOU you are already starting to show the world :)
2) What about asking a trusted friend to log on to your FB account for you and have them delete your ex-bananahead – PROMISING to NOT tell you anything they see? This way, you get to keep your account and not have to see him.
Note: I have never used FB so obviously I’m not privy to exactly how it works and if this is easily done, but I thought I’d throw out the suggestion just in case…
Again, I’m sorry this is so short. Work is crazy these days and time is tight after work too.
Please know that you have found a loving (as in “Love is an Action”) place to walk your healing journey, one where you are accepted for who you are – a LOVING, WORTHY, and UNIQUELY SPECIAL soul :)
If you do your work – get support, journal, affirm yourself, let where ever you are in the healing process because YOU and “it” is perfectly okay, and remember to celebrate YOU and all the progress you make – a life more amazing than what you could possibly even imagine today will unfold at your feet.
Many hugs,
SmilingAngel
Thanks so much for everyone’s reply. Of course, after spending the day a little sad but trying to be strong, I get a long email detailing how many things we have to look forward to if we just stay strong and work this out together. He says that couples go through much worse than what we are dealing with right now and that if we committ to making changes we will look back and be so happy that we stuck together. Don’t we all wish it was that easy!?! I guess if I had been the one to make these ‘mistakes’ I would be begging for another chance as well. He’s doing all the right things – counseling, going to church, etc – but I just want him to stop the behavior. Maybe some time away from this will help. Let him focus on the changes he needs to make and I can try to get past the anger I have so that we can try to go at this with clear heads. I’m sure my nagging isn’t helping his progress any either.
He has always been so thankful for my patience in this whole situation. Patiently listnening, trying to understand, forgiving. Isn’t it fair to ask for his patience in return? Patience with my anger, distrust, lack of respect (for either one of us at this point!).
Thanks again for everyone’s thoughts and prayers. They’re reciprocated tenfold!
SmilingAngel, Thank you so much. (Did my name change here? – I changed it to ‘AM strong enough’). I AM strong enough, I know I am.
Your kind, supportive words are helping me…it’s so good to get out my feelings to others who understand. I am crying as I write this (and I am at work!) but it’s a good release. I am going to seek professional help again too.
Your fb suggestion, as well as Jake’s, are both good ones.
I am staying completely off fb entirely as it’s a trigger for me. Being on there whether with or w/out seeing his active profile, will still make me think of him, and I have to forget him.
But I will get past this, thanks to you all. I wish we didn’t have to be going through so much pain to come together.
AM Strong Enough! Just reading what you wrote about yourself was both inspiring and encouraging, and it gave me hope. So thank you. Keep those positive energetic thoughts about yourself coming. Best to you and everyone who is sharing in this experience.
My best positive energy to you all.
J
AM Strong Enough:
You most certainly are welcome and I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE your new screen name :)
Continue to be good to yourself by treating yourself lovingly (as in “Love is an Action”)!
Hugs,
SmilingAngel
In Limbo:
You are so welcome. And though I know this is an emotional time for you, I do have a question I’d like you to recommend you ask yourself. You don’t “have to have” an answer right now, but I do ask that you allow yourself the space and time (however much it takes) you need to fully answer this question for yourself:
Is this relationship – EXACTLY AS IT EXISTS TODAY – really what I want?
What has happened between the two of you can not be changed. For as long as YOU CHOOSE to keep him in your life, he will always be the man who disrespected YOU and your relationship by doing X, Y, Z. Nothing can change that. And from what you’ve written above, since you confronted this man, HE HAS NOT CHOSEN TO STOP his behavior today.
Now please don’t misunderstand. I know it takes time AND effort to change one’s behavior and I do believe that everyone – ourselves included – is capable of change. That said however, the only person’s behavior we can change is OUR OWN and not only do we have to say we want to change it, but we have to PUT ACTION behind our words which takes soul searching and effort.
And this means that NO AMOUNT amount of boundary setting can change another person’s behavior if they do NOT want to (or believe they can) change it – especially if we don’t back up our boundaries?! So no matter how many times you tell your bf you want him to do things differently, his behavior won’t change unless he is committed to changing it for HIMSELF and the reverse is also true for you.
Until you are ready to change for you, nothing in your life will change either – and believe me I KNOW you have it within you to change in a way that brings you happiness, I KNOW you are not only capable of such change, but deserve it deeply…
So again, I ask you to ponder is your relationship exactly as it EXISTS TODAY what you want for yourself because yesterday is gone and tomorrow hasn’t come yet? (And by the way, there is no wrong or right answer per se – just your answer and whatever your answer is will be okay just for today.)
And I know – as someone looking from the outside in – that you deserve much better than what you’ve been getting from your bf. And I also know that there is a better man than him just waiting for you out there, but only YOU can choose this and do your healing work for it – I can’t choose or make it happen for you, neither can anyone else, just you…
So please be gentle with yourself – get support from those who truly care about you – be it a therapist, friends, family, and the community of a 12-step group, journal about this and your feelings around it, affirm yourself daily, complete your relationship and life inventories, and remember above all to HONOR and CELEBRATE who YOU ARE.
You are on an awe-inspiring journey that will have you amazed before you are half way through should you choose to continue down its path.
Many, many hugs,
SmilingAngel
Thank you SmilingAngel-
I would absolutely NOT settle for this relationship exactly as it exists today. That is why we are where we are. I guess the hard part is that he IS getting help and IS trying to change. He wants to change and I do believe he will. I do have so much respect for him realizing that he has past/family issues that have led himi to this point. However, it’s up to me to decide how much of myself and my life I’m willing to give up until that change is made.
I do know I deserve better and he knows that I deserve better as well. I just have the constant reassurance from him that he wants to be and will be that person for me. I know he loves me – there is no doubt about that. And if we can resolve these issues – HUGE issues – we have so much to look forward to. It’s just hard to determine when to continue trying and when to cut your losses and move on.
He has an appointment with his therapist this week and has asked me to go with him. I think I’ll go. Maybe this guy can give both of us some advice on what to do. Either way, we need it. I need it.
I do feel like I need to back away from this for awhile and get myself back on track. I’ve lost so much of myself trying to make this guy happy it’s ridiculous. Even more ridiculous that it’s not reciprocated. I’ve spent so much time with HIS friends, HIS family, listening to HIS music, watching HIS tv. I need to put the “I” and “ME” back into this situation! Maybe then I can look at this through a fresh pair of eyes and have a clearer perspective.
You are so right to remind me that we can only change our own behavior – not anyone else’s. Thank you for that. The change in my behavior starts now!
In Limbo:
How very wise of you to recognize: “However, it’s up to me to decide how much of myself and my life I’m willing to give up until that change is made.”
And it is also very insightful of you to recognize that your focus has been on him – “trying to make this guy happy”, “spent so much time with HIS friends, HIS family, listening to HIS music, watching HIS tv.” and I ask to you also widen your scope a little more to see how your feeling conflicted about the situation (do you stay or go) may be coming from still keeping your focus on him.
And by this I mean that as long as you are looking at this from the standpoint of whether or not he IS doing anything or whether it is possible that HE can and WILL make the change, you are still leaving your happiness in HIS hands, not your own. It is keeping the ball, so to speak, in his court as YOU are leaving all the decisions you want to make up to how he behaves which is something you can not control…
And don’t get me wrong. I absolutely applaud ANY ONE who recognizes their issues, takes responsibility for their actions and begins the long road of changing their behavior and making amends. It takes courage and strength to do this. However, just because someone recognizes that they have behaved in a way that has not been loving to others and wants to change that does NOT mean they are guaranteed a second chance just because they’ve “woken up” to their dysfunction.
Instead, the other people affected by this person’s behavior still have the CHOICE to stay or go – at any time. And that is the consequence we all have to pay. We are all responsible for our own behavior. We cannot change what we done in the past. Instead we can only take responsibility for today, forgive ourselves, and make amends the best we can to others – sometimes silently doing so as to not cause them further harm.
Also, if you have read some of my other posts you will know I don’t believe in the word “try”. In fact, I’ve done my best to remove it from my vocabulary altogether and when I notice that I’m using it, I regroup and remove it immediately because “try” is one of those words that for me signifies INACTION. Just like wise Jedi Master Yoda from Star Wars said, either we do something or we do not do it – there truly is no “try”.
Either we CHOOSE to do something/change our behavior or we don’t, period. Some days we CHOOSE to follow through with “doing” and other days we CHOOSE not to. It doesn’t make us bad people, but just the same we all are still responsible to pay the price of our actions/inactions.
So as you continue forward, perhaps this would be a good place to start – to think about what your side of the street in this relationship has been and still is. Susan has posted a fabulous tool on this blog to help us with this. You can find it by searching for the phrase “Letting Go: The Relationship Inventory”. And as you start to go through that exercise you may find the answer to what you want to do becoming clearer – whether it is to stay and work things out or to leave. Again, I do NOT judge YOU regardless of your answer because whatever you do choose to do I truly believe will be for your highest good.
Again, kudos on all the work you’ve done to date. Even just reaching out to others and allowing yourself to have the insights you have is very healing.
So please continue to be good to you. You are a kind, sensitive, intelligent, compassionate, and loving soul. And please know that no matter what happens, you not only can do this, but you as long as you continue to do so, YOU ARE DOING IT :)
Many hugs,
SmilingAngel
I am so thankful for this blog, i came across it because i am just recently on the receiving end of a failed relationship. First of all i like the adult, clear insight that this blog offers with mature responses. Some of the other sites
i come across seem to be geared for teens breaking up with a first love.
i am in my early 40’s so teen advice isn’t the answer : ) but after all these years when a relationship ends you still find your self esteem lowered and you hurt n matter what your age is.
My ex guy, we met over the internet, dated for 6-7 months, he is in his early 40’s too, he is a biology professor at 2 colleges and i am a professional as well. We are long distance. I thought after getting to know him over the phone we felt we had found our soulmates, we shared the same wit and humor and talked about any and everything openly. He is a busy guy but always managed to call me, he initiated the i love you’s a couple months ago long before i felt i was ready to say it..but finally i felt i was in love with him and we decided to have a monogamous relationship, he talked of marriage and having me move to the city where he was and i thought everything was fine. I visited him about a month ago and things went fine, but i thought his phone calls seem to have decreased, after talking with him i thought ok maybe i am being paranoid. then a couple weeks ago we had a disagreement and he did not call for a couple days, during this time he was suppose to call me to decide if i were visiting him or him me for Thanksgiving, he never called this angered me and i left him a message and text he never responded, as the day passed I started getting pissed and I left an angry message. In the interim I went to his “my space” page which I never do (I am not sure why people over 35 have pages) but anyway that is another blog. I saw postings from women that made me uncomfortable,not to mention his status was single. I kept in mind he had this page long before I but also I noticed his mood on his page was “frisky” so that combined with my already pending anger made matters worse. Finally when we spoke he was pissed at me for leaving angry messages instead of trying to get to the bottom of why I felt him backing off and the crap on my space. I have not heard from him in 2 weeks now. He did call me Friday but i could not talk so i let VM pick up, when i called him the next day he did not return my call. He then called me this past Sunday and when I returned his call he did not answer and he has not called since. I sent him an email last night because clearly it is over. I am not sure if he has met someone but I am angry and hurt because of his activity on “my space” and of course him just walking away from our relationship with no further communication leave me creating my own assumptions and my own ending to this long distance love affair. I feel we were friends before lovers and i am due some type of conversation. At this point i have deleted his text we also shared a calendar on google which i deleted and think my email last night made my feelings clear. i don’t understand how people can come across so sincere and be so full of crap! i was considering moving to be with him which really make me feel silly. I am down and depressed and with the holidays coming does not make matters any better. Just needed to vent and would love any feedback or insight to this mystery. I guess i feel like knowone is perfect and if i got angry there was a reason and felt like he should have loved me enough to try and find out why. I have apologized to him by the way for the angry messages but dont think that was enough for him to walk away from me with no additional communication. thank you for your blog it has been helpful.
Nomi
Nomi,
I dont think there is any “teen advice” on this site so you may find many posts here helpful :-)
Have you already read some of the posts on grieving after a breakup? One important point is that “love is an action”.
And from reading your post, I have the impression that there has been no time or room for “action”. He may have started the “I love you’s”, which is always nice to hear, but ultimately it comes down to loving behaviour, and it does not sound as if you spent an awful lot of time together to actually really start knowing each other.
Long distance can be tricky, because you may create a fantasy version of the other person in your head, and then when they do something hurtful/ ignorant etc, or they distance themselves (like yours has done), you start thinking this is a “mystery” that needs to be solved. Whilst I simply think it was obviously the wrong match (who knows? maybe he told you to come and live with him, but then got scared because of his own decision…in any case, it does not matter. What matters is what YOU make with this situation.)
Can you change anything about the situation? Not much, I suppose, as he seems to be the driving force in this distancing.
Do you want to accept it and wait (for what)? If the answer is no, then there is just one choice:
Leave. And then deal with the fact that he may forever owe you an “explanation” and you may be very sad and angry and disappointed in him, but ultimately you always have the power to choose a life for yourself, and to choose whom to relate to intimately, and if someone is not good for you (because you are not treated well), then you always have the choice to cut your losses and leave.
Instead of trying to figure him out, you may find it helpful to decide for yourself. And always remember to be good to yourself.
As for the grieving and the whole “process” of that, you will surely find many very helpful posts here.
Hope that helps.
Thank you Greenroses!
I think some of your points are very well taken. Ultimately my main objective is to move on and I don’t think I will get the real reason so my focus is me. this is still very fresh so I am still grieving a little. i will say that long distance relationships are tricky i have faith that they can work. i dated a man some time ago that lived in another city and he did the most considerate gestures to keep our communicaiton close, and even though our relationship did not work out i still walked away with good memories and could never say that he did not try.
but back to my latest dillema, we actually spent the first couple of months on daily 3-4 hour phone conversations really getting to know each other and one positive about that is you don’t cloud your judgement by physical intimacy which can distract.
He and i have had disagreements during our 6-7 month relationship and he has been the first to call and apologize and so have I. Neither of us really hold grudges but that isn’t so true in this particular scenario. It just hurt to have so many un answered questions when you thought there was something speacial. thank you again for your response!!!
Nomi
Nomi,
Even in long distance relationships we can put actions behind our words. My husband and I had a long distance relationship for a year and I experienced no anxiety of the kind I had in the past–from mixed messages and lack of follow up (from calls not made, being left hanging, etc) that was present in so many previous relationships that were NOT long distance. I also had no problem telling my husband, when we were dating, when I needed something from him, like when we negotiated how often and when we would talk by phone. Same for him–he let me know what his communication needs and preferences were. We set our boundaries and negotiated what was negotiable and according to our schedules. There was no silent treatment or disappearing acts on either part. There was always follow through.
I remember, though, second-guessing my anger and other feelings and some requests while in other relationships–that always happened when my requests were met with distancing behavior. Either an ex and I were not on the same page, or one of us wasn’t so available for the relationship.
I say don’t second guess yourself on this one. If it smells fishy, there’s a rotten fish somewhere. You may not know–now or ever–exactly what his reasons are for distancing, but distancing he is and that’s all you really need to know. Trust your observations and instincts and allow yourself to feel how you feel about them.
I don’t know if he “owes” you anything–that may not be the best way to proceed FOR YOU. What you would do as a compassionate person is not necessarily what another person is capable or willing to do. And we can’t control other people or make them behave as we want them to. It might be less painful and crazy-making for you in the long run to let go of any expectations of him giving you what you think you deserve by way of an explanation or so-called closure.
Susan has a post on closure, by the way, that may be helpful. You can do a search for it here on the blog with keyword “closure”.
take care of yourself,
Kathy
Nomi,
you are welcome. I cross my fingers that you may proceed in a way that is best for you and follow your objective to move on. Of course you hurt, I totally understand. It’s like a complete disillusionment (I have remembered something these days, that an older lady told me some time ago, and it says “disillusionment means freeing yourself from an illusion”).
Allow your feelings, feel them and know that you will be okay. It will take time, and certainly not happen overnight, but know that you are actually doing yourself a favor if you allow your grief, feel it, let it all out, journal, cry, get support by family and good friends….and decide to move on. And you will, one day at a time. Be good to YOU!!!
also I might need to add that we met in Atlanta in September because he was there for an event and we had the most incredible long weekend together , I mean the connection was perfect, great conversation we laughed and the intimacy was wonderful, we were such a wonderful couple that strangers even commented on how great we were…and it seem we had a seemingly good weekend when I visited him a month ago..so all combined is what leave me feeling like what happened. you think that when men mature that they would not always be looking for that better person around the corner but i guess age does not matter when a person is immature.
Nomi
Thank you Kathy!
I will check out the blog you mentioned on closure.
Also to answer your question “no” he does not owe me anything and ‘i don’t owe him anything.
the advice given so far is wonderful and much needed, because I have been kind of beating myself up …thinking i should not have gotten angry…but that would ignore the catalyst to my anger which was him not being attentive and responding to me. I am not a needy woman and have day to day obligations but i made time for him.
One other odd thing happened while I was visiting him which was one evening i went to the bathroom and he looked through my cell phone and questioned me about a text from a man that i knew some time ago. He did not get angry when I explained why he texted me but i felt weird because I would have never gone through his phone. If i had i would be known as a psycho woman. I now think that perhaps his actions when i am not around made him act and think I was doing something behind his back..which I don’t do.
thanks
nomi
Nomi,
you are welcome. I cross my fingers that you may proceed in a way that is best for you and follow your objective to move on. Of course you hurt, I totally understand. It’s like a complete disillusionment (I have remembered something these days, that an older lady told me some time ago, and it says “disillusionment means freeing yourself from an illusion”).
Allow your feelings, feel them and know that you will be okay. It will take time, and certainly not happen overnight, but know that you are actually doing yourself a favor if you allow your grief, feel it, let it all out, journal, cry, get support by family and good friends….and decide to move on. And you will, one day at a time. Be good to YOU!!!
PS: Re. what you just posted about him checking your phone – you are right, that’s not okay. He may have been projecting his own issues on to you or whatever, but remember it does really not matter, his issues are his.
Nomi,
That would be a red flag for me, too.
That kind of surveillance has happened to me in past relationships and in one, *I* did it (checked his phone log). Yep, some bad behavior on my part and on my exes that I’m not proud of. I’m in a healthy relationship (marriage) now and none of that silliness goes on–doesn’t even cross my mind or his. You sound like you’ve got your stuff together. Keep staying true to you and what you believe. I think you sound very reasonable and have nothing to defend or regret in terms of feeling angry and confused. When someone says one thing and acts differently, that’s how a healthy person feels, I think.
Nomi,
I have posted another response to you but there is a problem with spam mail these days, so my comment is not published immediately – I hope it will soon! :-) When it appears, it will be before this one (written at 6:03 pm). Take care
you know what really add to my frustration is the fact that i am on line looking up information and websites to help me get past some of this mystery and hurt with out totally destroying my self esteem and he probably has not thought twice about me. I am more angry at myself because when he first started telling me that he would marry me sight unseen and how he loved me i told him I was skeptical because i truly did not think he could feel that way about me so soon. Now this was based on very intimate and open conversation that went on consistently. I mean his lack of calling now is a 360 degree turn around because this man use to call me frequently even if it were just a moment in between his lectures. Also as a woman over 40 it just isn’t easy, now i am not looking for pity because I am told i look younger than my age and i am active and healthy , reasonably attractive but when something like this happen it does give a blow to the old self esteem, i cant help but think he met some young hottie on “facebook” or “my space” : )
Since this is a forum to post and vent a little he shared with me his past relationships with some troubled women-very attractive but one of his girlfriends actually messed around with a friend of his at a party they were at, the other long distance girl had a troubled past. i really don’t and he did share with me early on that he sometimes would get with people that needed saving, well i now need saving from him : ) but perhaps my honesty and love was unusual for him, he would often tell me that “he loved me even more than he did because I loved him so much” weird
thanks again guys for the responses this is really helping me.
Green roses
i never got your post. Would have loved to have read it
nomi
Nomi,
my post will appear on this site as soon as Susan sees it.
Take care (you will then have to scroll though as it will appear at the time its been written)
Nomi,
the post appeared :-) Take care
Greenroses
Got it ! Thank you for your words. Actually yesterday for the first time I spent some time with my little nephew which was a joy and talked with a friend and got out of the house and for a moment I did not think about him. i am not totally ok yet because i do still have urges to email him and let some of my frustrations and disappoint be known to him.
Above anything else i thought he and I developed a friendship long before we became lovers and I felt I was deserving of some type of closure and deserving of some parting words from him. I have never seen a counselor or therapist but i am one of those people that think all adult individuals could probably benefits from counseling but i am thinking of seeking out one. Even though this relationship was not the longest I ever had it did for some reason take a blow at my esteem and not sure why?
Nomi
Well everyone after reviewing all the post it really makes me feel good and they give me strength, however I had 2 good days since my relationship ended now 2 1/2 weeks ago. Unfortunately today is a BAD day, and I am going to order the survival guide. I think I really thought he was going to call me yesterday (sunday) since he did call me last Sunday and left a message but when I returned his call he never called me back that was a week ago. so it started the process all over again in some way. I have this overwhelming NEED to send him an email. It isn’t so much that I want him back as it is I want to let him know how big of a jerk he is and ask what type of man play with womens hearts? I know Kathy …it does not matter! and I am level headed enough to know it really does not matter but gosh I would feel so much better getting some additional thoughts off my chest and having him read them. I have been journaling but some things I really want to say to him. There was one comment made by him in our last conversation that really did sting and I have this urge to respond to it. Just not a good day!
Nomi
My story is similar to others on here. Just under three years ago I started dating someone from the office where we both worked at that time. This was 11 months after my previous breakup and though I was attracted strongly to this person I was still scared to place my trust in another person. Anyway, after some debate we got together just before Christmas 2005, after a week she dumped me as she was confused as to how she felt. We got back together a few days later when she realised it was just the uncertainty of a new relationship.
Shortly after that her mum was diagnosed with a very deep brain tumour. Thankfully she survived the operation and the strokes that followed, and helping her through this traumatic time lead us to become even closer. Though we did not really have many interests in common, we seem to connect on a much deeper level right from the start and she was the first girl/woman that I could ever let fully into my heart and life, being totally honest and open.
I’m a twin which tends to complicate relationships to no-end but she even accepted some of the idiocyncracies that go along with being a twin.
Everything seemed perfect. Both our families liked us, we had a lot of fun together and we were very much in love. Her dream was to become a professional singer and after her mothers brain tumour we focused on trying to help her realise that dream. I organised some recording studio time for her to sing and found loads of Karoke pubs that we would do to once or twice a week so she could get back use to singing in public in front of people (she went to music college but had not done anything music related in 2 years when we first went out).
Things seemed great and everyone was amazed at just how good a singer she was. After a year going on like this and things seeming perfect between us we began talking about moving in together, and though we could not afford it at the time, we began a longterm plan to save the money so we could get a place together in a year to two years.
So began 2008, starting with her performing a couple of times with a pub band and then in the summer starting to work with a producer to record some new tracks for her. She also started practicing with a 80s cover group to get some more “band practice”.
Things still seemed great, that was until just over a weekago. Though i had noticed that she was becoming more distant. She was never one for much of a physical relationship and had a very low sex drive. I respected this and we never did anything that she was not happy with as I would never force myself on someone. Though looking back we had not been physically intimate in some time. When I asked her if there was anything wrong she assured my that there as nothing wrong or she was just worried about work. She had been in and out of jobs for most of the year and we were still off from having the money ot get somewhere ourselves, though it was looking like we should have enough in 6 months (credit crunch allowing).
Then it happened. We were coming back from our thursday Karaoke pub where she had been a bit short with me, when she finally admitted that something was wrong. She told me that she felt like she loved me but that she just did not fancy me anymore.
Things were left like that until Saturday as she was busy all friday with the 80s tribute band practicing for a gig on the saturday evening at a private party which I could not attend. On the Saturday she was extremely distant saying that we had become more like friends.
By the sunday I called her on the phone to see how the gig went, as she had stayed over at the guy who ran it (who also runs the pub and who is a music producer / former professional keyboard player).
She told me that she didnt fancy me anymore, that she needed to be with someone who had more self confidence, that I was too nice and that it was over.
She agreed to take a week of no contact to see how she felt, but we met up on the wednesday as I could not wait anylonger as she had broken my heart on the previous thursday and I needed to know. Thinking back over her words on the thursday, sat and sunday I knew that she had made up her mind and when we meet up we broke up. I didnt loose my anger and tried to be understanding as I could see that her feelings towards me were just not there anymore.
She admitted that she had not felt the same way about me for sometime and that she liked three other guys from the pub we went to each week as well as the son of someone she use to work with.
She said she never cheated on me, which I do believe, and that she had tried to make it work, but that she could not go on pretending, especially if we got a mortgage together in a few months.
That was last wednesday.
I was completely devastated. I felt like she was “the one”. We had connected so much when we first met and had been so happy together. In the almost three years we were together we never once had an arguement and I we both honestly thought we would spend the rest of our lives together.
Something changed though. Perhaps, if I am honest, I feared this would / was happening for a few months. IT was not helped on Halloween when at a karaoke party at our regular spot, one of the houe band members told her he fancied her when I was in the toilets. I know he said, as she told me after. He along with the guy who she’s been working with recording new material for the last few months, who runs the 80s tribute band and part owns the pub are two of the guys that she admitted she is attracted to. One is ten years older than her, the other is probably 20 years older than her.
I cant get her out of my head. I’ve been talking to friends and trying to let it go (normally I keep these things in) and we did split without arguing and I know she wanted to try to remain friends. But I just find myself waking up each morning and instantly thinking of her. Everything reminds me of her and she was such a big part of my life and routine I am finding it hard to get back to doing the things I use to do.
I feel empty and have little energy to do anything. I could not eat nor sleep for a week, though I am now sleeping okay and pretty much eating as normal, though still slightly less.
I try not to contact her, but I did on friday as it was going to be a very cold weekend and I was concerned for the horse she has. I txt’ed her this morning (which I know I shouldnt have) as I worry about her travelling to some of the places we use to go by herself as they are not local.
She was the most amazing person I have met in my life. Beautiful, funny, talented, genuine, innocent and caring. I’ve never had anyone that people would call hot interested in me in the past, and she was. I felt like the luckiest man alive and I knew that people were jealous of us going out, and I kinda liked that as it made me feel more confident knowing that for the first time in my life people wanted to be me.
Now I dont know what to do. I want to try to remain friends, and I still wish her the best of luck in chasing her muscial dream as she is such a talented singer/performer I know that she could be up their with the all-time greats. Only the singing is probably what drove us apart, as the people it introduced her too and the amount of time it has taken up in her life is what help take her away from me.
I know that I will get over her one day, but I do not see myself ever meeting anyone quiet like her again and I just cant seem to let go. I still feel that she will look back in 6 months / a year and regret this as I doubt she will ever meet anyone who cares as much about her as I did. We went through so much together to get where we were, and now I feel like the last three years of my life are wasted.
Hi Steve
Wow I can only imagine the hurt you must feel, however better days are yet to come. I personally think that the “friend thing ” after a break up does not work..I think I read one of Kathy’s post that shared similar sentiments. It is also hard when you experience heart break with a person who was for the most part a “good person” I have been on this site for a week after a break up a couple weeks ago, and so many share our same story, however there are a lot of people that have been mistreated and abused in their relationships and that is one type of “break up ” hurt but like you I got dumped by a guy who I deemed to be a good friend, we shared the same humor and wit and I talked to him about any and everything. ..but he ultimately treated me in a manner that was not good just like your ex ended things in my opinion rather harsh considering your history. I mean I get it- that sometimes people are just not meant to be and we all can decide to move on if the relationship isn’t working for us that is our right to move on.. but I have a problem when people lead you to think everything is fine while they are mentally on another plane. Anyway this site has been helpful for me and gives me the courage not to contact the ex – I had a rough day yesterday..today so far OK .Hopefully you will be strong and encouraged as well.
Nomi
Thanks Nomi, I appreciate your comments.
I read through most of the comments on here and a few of the other topics, and they do help, but most are about an end of a relationship that has involved abuse of one sort or another. Much like you, I shared the same sense of humour and with with my ex, and it was humour that bought us together in the first place. Though I tend to be shy when “out and about” once Im comfortable with people I tend ot be very outgoing and humourous (just a shame I cant relax quicker around people).
I must admit, though I can accept that she does not feel the same way, I do feel that she should have said something earlier when she was first becoming concerned and we could have worked on it, or at least ended things in less of a sudden way. Now, she has pretty much already moved on, where as its all still a shock for me.
I must confess to having contacted her since to see if she was okay as I cant help buty worry about her since there are a lot of rough people around some of the pubs I know she will continue to go to, and obviously the music business can have a lot of negative influences pushed on a person. I’m trying to be strong though and not contact her and get on with things.
One of my problems at the moment is my work is in a bit of a flux, my boss recently quit, we were told last week that will may have to go on call and do 6-7 day weeks soon for a while (as we were just sold to another company in an earn-out where we have to hit certain monthly targets in order to keep the sale going ahead for the next two years). So though busy, I am not motivated and feel like I need some time by myself. I also ended up frying my computer at home last night when trying to fix a longstanding problem which did have me thinking that everything was starting to go wrong. Though I fought against those negative thoughts as it was a case of bad luck.
My last relationship ended in a much harsher way, and though that took me a while to get over, I felt anger towards that person for the lies, where as this time I have no ill feelings in that manner.
Trying to aim to get through to the weekend without contact, then the next week, then the rest of the year. Its just hard, as before x-mas will come the memories of when we first started dating.
Still, as I said, reading the comments here and typing it down actually seems to be helping. So I’ll hang around for and read others tales and hopefully will be able to post more positive comments as I get past this.
My story isn’t unlike everyone else’s but I feel the need to be cathartic about this and bare my heart. I met a woman about a year ago. Beautiful, brilliant, mother of two little girls. We started seeing each other immediately and she dumped the guy she had been seeing. I fell in love with the little ones almost immediately… and we were happy… for a while… then cracks started to appear in her carefully manufactured facade. All of a sudden she’s got money problems and needs my help even though she makes gobs of cash… constant e-mails to ex-boyfriends or potential suitors vying for her attention. I ignore the signs. I propose with my mother’s ring. She accepts… and yet she won’t wear it. Understand my confusion… she thought it was very endearing that I asked her father’s permission… she put me on a jewelry store’s mailing list… and now she won’t wear it. Mom’s ring was meant to be temporary anyway, but now things begin to fall apart rapidly. We begin to fight…. lots… over money, her ex-boyfriends, my ex-girlfriends… and even then I thought to myself can this really work? She drinks to much, abuses her prescription speed, is seriously irresponsible with her job and will probably lose it.
Things begin to get bad. We break up after about 7 months. Understand that she is the one and only woman I have ever proposed to. I am 33 years old and she is 31. She begins seeing one of the suitors almost immediately and starts cheating on him with me pretty much at the same time. All the while she rails against him saying how much she hates him and how she wants to be with me… but then she loses her job as I prophecised and he has to move in with her to pay her mortgage. I rescue her countless times as the shining knight from when he’s abusive to her mentally and physically… i pay for this and that but nothing too crazy… I even take her back to meet my family at one point. Time comes to it and its time for him to get the hell out of the house. He quits his job and has decided to move to the mountains to be a ski instructor. Good riddance I think… this is the woman for me… I’ve tried dating others and they just don’t have her charisma. Damn, I need to get an MRI to determine if I have a head injury. She’s on the verge of losing her home and is depending on other people to pay her mortgage, still loves this manchild, lies pathologically, can’t find a job, is still a drunk/drug addict, will probably lose her kids…
And I can’t stop thinking about her. Am thinking electroshock therapy. Ideas? I have to cut the cord with her, but this is so hard and to be honest I’m not sure I’m strong enough to do so. Hell, her past boyfriends up to 8 years ago STILL call her! One of them moved to California so he could get over her. Honestly, am considering it. I cannot get over this sociopath.
All I ever did was love the person you said you were. You knew just how to push my buttons with an “I love you so much,” or “We’ll have beautiful kids” there. All lies.
Thanks for reading.
Steve
I agree with you in terms of she needed to say something sooner. I am not sure what is worse to knowingly have major problems therefore you can see the ending coming or to think everything is reasonably ok , then suddenly end. That was my scenario too, i started noticing some minor differences in my ex’s communication with me but we had an argument several weeks ago actually it was not an argument as it was me expressing some anger over a scenario (I had good reason) and he turned it around that my getting angry was the catalyst to our ending but actually it was his behavior or lack of. Long story short he just stopped calling period! since our breakup i sent him a heart felt email apologizing for my anger but not for the reason for the anger which he and i never had a chance to discuss. He never responded to my email, he did leave me a message twice since all of this happened but when I called him back i got VM and no return call. so our breakup has left me having to make up my own reasons and assumptions as to why we are no longer. however since reading the post on this site I wonder not as much anymore. It is tough because we were long distance and was suppose to spend our first thanksgiving together this year when we saw each other several weeks ago everything was great. so i definitely know how you feel being let go so suddenly. i also don’t want to make him out to be so perfect even though when we were together I thought he was perfect for me, he has some issues but for some reason i was willing to deal with them, I hurt because I got angry and he could not deal with it so clearly the love was not there on his part. In terms of you worrying about her that shows that you are a great guy but keep in mind she did not worry about your feelings so stay strong and keep up the NC, I am going on 7 days of NC and hope it can continue, but the truth is I do have a part of me that wish he would just call just to prove that what we had was speacial to him and I was due an explanation and consideration…so with that being said I still have work to do here because it is not about him it is about me.
Stay strong and keep reading post they do help.
Nomi
I was pretty lucky that we did get to meet and talk about it shortly after which I hope wil bring me some closure. I do believe that I am a nice guy, though perhaps it is true that I am too nice, though I always thought that woudl be a big plus the older I got.
I had a long distance relationship once that ended via text when she told me that the reason she was ignore me was to see what “not being with me would be like”. It sounded like a weird excuse and I never found out the truth, though I did hear through a friend who knew her before i did that she got married and was pregnant about a year after we split which told me enough.
I wish I knew of this place a couple of years ago, one of my friends took his own life after the break-down of a long-distance relationship as he felt alone and would not open up to people around him. The anonymity of the internet can be a wonderful thing when times get tough. People do want to listen and help and you can rant all you like with people in simliar situations and help each other get through.
steve:
Two quick things…
“I was pretty lucky that we did get to meet and talk about it shortly after which I hope wil bring me some closure.”
Closure is not about what you get from another person. It is truly a gift you give yourself. That said, please check out Susan’s posts on closure – great stuff :)
“… perhaps it is true that I am too nice …”
Having believed the same thing about myself BEFORE I started this healing work, I have discovered that it isn’t that one is “too nice”. Instead it is about a lack of having strong and healthy boundaries that help us and the world know where each of us begins.
So as you strengthened existing boundaries and create some new ones, you’ll find that you get to keep your “niceness” AND have people respect you for the generous, compassionate, and loving person that you truly are.
Be good to YOU :)
Hugs,
SmilingAngel
Steve, I think what Smiling Angel is referring to is the idea that the behavior of ‘people pleasing’ is often about not standing up for ourselves and taking care of ourselves.
People pleasing often comes from childhood experiences where the only way to get attention or to make sure one wasn’t cold-shouldered was to go the other direction.
In the book, “Living Consciously”, the author refers back to a grouping of personality types, one of which is the “Leveler”…people who express what they are thinking and share this with you. That’s the only kind of person I want to be with in the future.
I want to suggest to you that you read as much as possible to get a bigger picture of what went on with your relationship and how to change the pattern of it. I’ve got a summary of that particular book (Living Consciously) on my blog (Finding Serenity), which is a great read and written by a man who shares his own mistakes and experiences as he explains how to live a happier life.
BeClear:
Though I truly appreciate the support you gave to steve, please do not assume to know what I am “referring to” and “translate” that to others on this blog – as I post exactly the words I mean to at the time.
And if at some later time I choose to further qualify or add to what I’ve posted, I will.
Thanks,
SmilingAngel
johnny: welcome to the blog. your story is exactly like everyone else’s. It’s called codependency and you need to read Codependent No More and see if there is an Alanon or Codependents Anonymous meeting near by. and keep sharing here and do the stuff advised on this blog
SmilingAngle, Whups! It did sound like that, didn’t it? I was writing a little too fast to make my point clear. My intentions were to agree with you on the boundary thing and then going to make my own point. Sorry I didn’t express myself clearly.
wow, rough crowd
steve and johnny I wish you both well and hopefully with good advice we can all get stronger, be wiser and heal our broken hearts.
nomi
Anyone got any advice on how to build those boundaries? I felt much better yesterday afternoon and evening, though I still ended up going to sleep with her in my thoughts and waking up and there she was again. On the journey into work I tried not to run through things in my head but still found myself doing so as even work is a reminder of her as I was very unsettled and unsure when i started here and she helped me get through that. Though I’ve been hear for a few years, I dont really have anything in common with anyone else in the company, and we spoke everyday at lunch which I still find hard. I’ve been trying to talk to friends but its not the same.
I’m still trying the no contact, but its so hard to not log into facebook and see if she pops up anywhere as we had made common friends with people who she still sees and I hope to keep in touch with in the future.
I guess, though i thought I had let go, I still have that naggling feeling deep down of “I hope she changes her mind” and “she will realise she still loves me” even though I then rationally think about it and tell myself that she wont as those feelings are jsut not there for her anymore.
I tried finding your blog and that article but couldnt so I will search again and do some more reading.
I guess I am a people pleaser as I do like trying to help others and I dont really have any life goals for myself anymore as I only ever had a few when I was younger and achieve those by the time i was 23 (I’ll be 30 in a few months).
So much of the last three years of my life has been about trying to help my ex-achieve her dream which made me fill good as she progressed and got closure to realising it. I guess I need to find some goals myself, but its been such a long time….
Sorry for the double post. Reading around about “People pleasers” I do now accept that yes that is me and that its something I need to work on and change. I also recognise other personality traits of mine which I could do with working on. Sadly, if anything these make me feel worse, as reading about them makes me think if I had read those 2/3 years ago, I would have changed a little by now and things would have been different. I know I shouldnt dwell and what has been has been, learn from it, grow and move forward. But it doesnt stop the thoughts of “ah, if I had sorted out X and Y, then she would have felt the same as when we met”.
Pants. It just makes me want to talk to her, explain that I can change and that I recognise some of my own issues, and that I love her and want to try again. But I wont as I know its too late and I need to use it to start again.
steve,
do not beat yourself up. You are who you are, and the right person will love you the way you are. Which is not to say you should not work on certain things if you want to change them, but the important thing here is: if YOU want to change them, for YOU and not for anyone else.
Our minds sometimes do play us tricks. It SEEMS like “if I only had done/ not done, said/ not said xyz” or “if I had been different in this or that matter”, then the whole story would have changed. Which simply is not true, because you do NOT have the power over the entire story and its course. You can only control yourself, and that makes for only PART of the story. We cannot control others or things outside of us. We cannot control the uncontrollable.
So, again, do not beat yourself up with “what if” and “if only I had”. That’s crap and certainly not helpful if you want to feel any better.
I know, I try not to. But since things seemed and felt so right its hard not to think that certain things like being less “people pleasing” and more outgoing wouldn have made a world of difference, especially when one of the reasons I was given for the change of her feelings were the lack of outgoingness in social situations.
I’m trying not to dwell, which is why I’m typing the feelings and thoughts down so that I can express them.
I do want to change for me as I think it will make me happier and more confident, but I guess I’m also afraid that if I dont, that I will keep on getting hurt and it will keep on getting in the way of finding a lasting relationship.
I’m hoping this morning is just a purple patch when I’m feeling more responsible for things going wrong and will snap out of it. Though I know that there is an end to feeling this way, I almost feel like when the hurt stops, that the relationship meant nothing and that I will regret the time we had together.
BeClear:
Thanks for the apology :)
Hugs,
SmilingAngel
Another day another post. Once again the afternoon (I’m in the UK) was easier than the morning, and the evening started fine until about 9 when I found my self starting to think again. Got through that but once again woke up to the pain and even though its been two weeks since she first said something was wrong and a week since it was ended, I still struggle to eat anything in the morning without gagging.
This morning the ride into work (I use a motorbike to get in due to traffic) was a little easier, though I was still thinking about her and things, I could also think about other stuff. But things changed as soon as I got into the office.
No one else was here and I started thinking again as I started working, and just kept coming back to how much I still love her, miss her and want to hold her. I keep wanting to pick up the phone and ring her, or go to her house when she is back from work and tell her I want to fight for us and to show her that I am and can be the guy she fell in love with again, and that she does still love me.
When I get a clearer head I remind myself of the words she used, and the tone in her voice. But I think of how upset she was ending things as I know that she didnt want to fall out of love with me and that hurts even more.
I just find myself wondering if I should try to fight, whether it is too late, whether I gave up too easily when she said it was over.
I dont want to feel this way anymore.
I’m not sure whats worse, no contact an wondering if contact could change things, or contact and being told again that its over and that she has no feelings for me anymore.
Arrgh. I can’t get her our of my head. She was becoming my whole life. I feel so confused.
Steve,
I’m sorry you are hurting. Susan has a lot of great posts on rejecting the rejector. READ, READ, READ
You think of her because that is what you used to do. Now you need to replace those thoughts with different ones. Every time I think if him I say “STOP” and then make myself think of what is in front of me or my kids or the weather or something else. And yes sometimes you may do that all day long but eventually it will be less. However one week is such a short time period. This process takes work and you can do it. You deserve someone who wants you as much as you want them.
Sending you hugs,
M
Yeah, I hear what you are saying. I’ve read so many articles on here and the comments and articles and comments on other sites (a lot of which are too negative for my liking) which is helping.
I’m finding the hardest is from when I wake up until about 11am, then I tend to think more rationally and take control back.
At the moment (ten to 5 in the afternoon UK time) I’m fine. If I think about her its very calm and more of a “its her who’s lost out more than I” thought. I am sure that will change back tomorrow morning though.
I try to think back to previous breakups, but my last one was almost four years ago and I though I know it hurt a lot and it took me a long time to get over things and I got really depressed, I dont remember the pain or feeling this way. I guess that time I had anger where as now I dont.
I certainly feel like I’m making progress as I am finding I’m happier more than I was, and an doing other things more and she’s not in my mind all of the time. For the first time since when I received a text this afternoon my first thought wasnt “its from her”.
Am hoping my appetite comes back fully soon as I’ve lost almost half a stone in the last week and I dont want to loose anymore as I tend to gain weight slowly and loose it quickly
hmmm…you guys express your feelings so well…i feel mine are so convoluted.
about keeping them(your exes) out of your head….impossible….but..i do have “times” when i am alone and i do “allow” the thoughts….deal with the pain…cry….get it out….then i say …ok…enough….get up and move….i try to balance all the thoughts…good and bad…feel them….learn from them…and instead of fighting them…end leaning towards the positive…..the affirmations….the good memories…
….my affair was a wonderful time for me…never in my life have i connected or loved like this…it was what i have dreamt of and didn’t think existed..so i am glad for the experience. he was very very kind always and even though i lied to him about one thing that happened before him and told him i did…and i hurt him terribly….he still loved me…but did tell me he chose not to live with that in his life….he very kindly told me the truth…and he stayed to help me….to comfort me….it was gut wrenching for us both…but we ended it with the utmost of love….even in breaking up with me he treated me with the utmost of respect and i him…
…..but the pain….my gosh…..everything triggers….i enjoy nothing….i force myself…to do everything…..i see him….in the sunset…on the lake…in the clouds…everything of beauty is him….
that was him….the most beautiful person i have ever met…..truely…..
….and my only saving grace…for him…..he asked me to let him go…it hurt him too much to stay….so it took me three tries….and now i am on day 16 of NC….i kept telling myself if i loved him…i would leave him be.
you see he was not mine…he was hers….not mine….
….and i pray for him everyday….that he is ok…that he is healing…..and i know he cries still…such a tender heart….but he is doing the right thing….going back home where he belongs….
meanwhile ….i sit here….at home finally tonight…day spent with family….so hard….i saw him everywhere….
…how do people get into your heart so deep? i don’t know…
i thank you all so much..for helping me be strong….to help me stay away from him….and to make choices so i can be happy and free…..in the future….
omg….i read the poster above..about your relationships mirroring the amount of pain you were in….
all of them….were with people who were emotionally unavailable…omg…me the neediest girl here…dying for love….picked these men who were not going to be there for me.
This one was the only one that ever loved me back….
wow. that is a huge breakthru….
When breaking up he said that he still cares but that he’s been feeling drained and that he doesn’t have anymore energy to comit to make this rationship work. But asked to be friends and suggested we contact each other around X-mas to see how things are.
In July I started therapy and realized the huge fear of abandonment I have along with being an adult child of alcoholics. He as been very supportive, though at times he would complain that the we keep arguing about the same “thing” over and over – perhaps me coert fear that he doesn’t care enough?
Is it definitely over? Is it different from any ordinary break up, or am I just illusioning myself? It’s been over 2 weeks. People do get back together, right?
In July I started therapy and realized the huge fear of abandonment I have along with being an adult child of alcoholics. He as been very supportive, though at times he would complain that the we keep arguing about the same “thing” over and over – perhaps me coert fear that he doesn’t care enough?
When breaking up he said that he still cares but that he’s been feeling drained and that he doesn’t have anymore energy to comit to make this rationship work. But asked to be friends and suggested we contact each other around X-mas to see how things are.
Is it definitely over? Is it different from any ordinary break up, or am I just illusioning myself? It’s been over 2 weeks. People do get back together, right?
CM: what do YOU want? Do you want someone like this who can come and go at will? Why don’t you work on your issues and find someone who is capable of committing? Do you want this person to call all the shots in the relationship/friendship? What do YOU want and if you want this person who doesn’t know his own mind: WHY? What do YOU want?
Thanks for responding, Charlie.
I do want someone who will commit, of course. But I still feel guilty about what has happened and can’t stop thinking that my obsessive fear of the break up, help make it come true.
I wonder since the reason was his not having energy rather that lack of love, it can be changed. Especially if I started working on the fear of abandonment.
The best high I have ever been on is regaining the upper hand when someone left me and realized it was a stupid decision. I will never forget the feeling of being abandoned…it makes one hard and wise…and I will never forget how good it felt to lock the door on someone who was always trying to make me into “the bad guy” because she couldn’t grow up and face the reality of our relationship.
No matter what the therapists say, nothing feels better than avenging a wrong done to you simply by being okay.
Take it from me: the temporary pain of the breakup is nothing compared to the permanent power of overcoming it. You will be tougher, wiser and better for it. JUST HOLD ON.
Good point. And you’re right, the pain of abandonment is acute. But what if you thought this was a life partner? Where do you draw the line between holding on to hope and giving up?
CM: you must read all the posts on this site. After you do, you won’t think this is your life partner. He’s not.
Charlie, I have read most of the posts and the comments, some even twice.
I still can’t find a single reason to be angry with him. I’ve been grieving for over two weeks now and I mostly feel a regret that I haven’t started the therapy earlier because I I feel that it’s my fault that my fear of abandonment made it this much more difficult for him to be in this relationship.
CM: it is NOT just your fault. It cannot be. Read the posts on here about water seeking its own level. Stop being a martyr and see that it takes two. It’s not all your fault.
if your abandonment issues are so glaring then stay single and work on them and a healthy person will eventually come into your life. Forget this guy. he’s blaming it all on you and it’s not all you.
CM: Here’s your reason…Look in the mirror. See that sweet, sensitive person? Well, some guy DUMPED HER and hurt her, for whatever stupid reason. She’s hurting because of someone else. Be angry at that someone else and SCRAPE THE DOGS*&^t OF THEM OFF THE SHOE OF YOU.
The End. I just ended my almost two year relationship with my boyfriend about an hour ago. It’s been coming on for some time now but both of us have hung on by the skin of our teeth. Bottom line…he’s done too many things that have broken my trust. The promises of making changes – going to therapy, quitting drinking, etc – have been completely empty. I’ve been thinking about ending it since the summer but have kept holding on to these promises. I love him, there are so many great things about him, but he’s lied, cheated and manipulated me for the last time.
I have been reading your blogs and posts for several weeks now gaining strength from everyone’s stories, advice and experience. I’m holding on that I, too, will be able to offer my own healing advice very soon. I know that it’s time to protect my heart and listen to my head. He is not the person for me and never will be. I’ve been patient, forgiving and put him first for the last time.
The breakup was civil. I finally had the courage to tell him that the relationship isn’t going to work. He agreed and we said goodbye. I’m so used to an argument that I’m a bit stunned. I had a few things that I wanted to say but I know that as time passes I will be glad that there was no argument. We have a few things to exchange – by mail, no reason to meet – and that should be it.
I’m sad, scared, disappointed, angry. All of the emotions that I’m sure will come in waves over the next few months. I’m ready for it. I’m ready to be me again and relish the time with my friends and family that I’ve neglected for too long. I know there is light at the end of this tunnel. Even though I can’t see it right now, I know it’s there.
I know there’s tons of references to Relationship Inventories and ‘doing the work.’ Please tell me where to start. I am ready and your guidance is most appreciated.
Thank you, and Happy Holidays to you all,
Rhonda
Rhonda:
Good for you for taking care of YOU. I know how emotionally intense ending a relationship – even for the “right reasons” can be, but you definitely sound as though you’re as prepared as anyone can be to handle the process.
That said, my screen name is a link to a post on this blog that lists the top posts of this site – including those for the relationship and life inventories, the Post Breakup No No List, the Emotions of Grief, and others.
As you continue to take good care of yourself, please remember to get/use a good support system – people who are also healthy – to reach out to in emotionally intense times. And also remember to journal every day, affirm yourself DAILY, let where YOU and YOUR FEELINGS be okay because they are, work on/complete the inventories, and celebrate every milestone in this process you reach – no matter how big or small others may find them to be – and YOU every single day because you Rhonda are SO WORTH IT!!!
Lots of hugs,
SmilingAngel
Rhonda:
Here’s some advice that helped me:
1. Take something to help you sleep and don’t be afraid to ask a very good friend or relative to let you sleep at their house. The middle of the night is when the thoughts come. Just having someone breathing nearby is a comfort. Pets are great for this.
2. Don’t back down. Don’t give in. Cut the other person off and keep them cut off. When my breakup started, I had such stupid storytale ideas of “saying just the thing” that would fix it all and I thought I could never resist contacting them. I was surprised at how much every day without contact lessened the pain.
3. When you feel the need to talk about them, read a list of their faults aloud to yourself. Sounds crazy, but it works.
SmilingAngel and Darrylibrarian – thank you. I have complete confidence that I will be ok. I think this week will be the hardest – we need to exchange a few things and that should be it. Although I know it’s going to be a tough adjustment, I really do feel that the anticipation is much worse than the real thing.
I did receive an email from him this morning to confirm that we no longer have a commitment. His therapist always asks him to check his behavior – if you’re committed to Rhonda, your behavior is unacceptable. I explained that I can no longer be committed to this relationship because the same level of commitment has not been reciprocated. It’s not what I want, but it’s what’s best for me at this time.
He’s angry now. Said that this is his opportunity to find someone that shares his similar values. Says that he is glad to find out now that I can’t handle adversity – better to know now than 20, 30 years from now.
I have spent the better